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upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:58 PM Apr 2013

Today's vote in Congress on gun legislation won a majority vote.But because of Repubs it required 60

votes.

It had nothing to do with being afraid of gun owners. It has everything to do with repubs blocking what Obama wants.

Gunners take themselves way to seriously. If politicians fear anything it is the loss of gun manufacturers' money. The NRA represents the gun industry not gunners. Gunners are pawns in all of this. Gunners have shot their wads since December buying more guns because the manufacturers can play them like a fiddle.

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Today's vote in Congress on gun legislation won a majority vote.But because of Repubs it required 60 (Original Post) upaloopa Apr 2013 OP
I believe Harry could have changed that. CokeMachine Apr 2013 #1
Not enough Democrats in the senate who were willing to stand by him. BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #2
It is actually even more galling that that dsc Apr 2013 #3
split states jimmy the one Apr 2013 #5
Harry Reid needs to be held responsible BainsBane Apr 2013 #4
Thank God we needed 60. With only 50, the poison pen would have passed. graham4anything Apr 2013 #6
Without the 60 vote requirement, it would be Christmas for the NRA Pullo Apr 2013 #7
Couldn't those amendments be taken out? There isn't a house bill yet is there? upaloopa Apr 2013 #8
Reid's strategy was an open amendment process because .... Pullo Apr 2013 #10
And the President would sign it tomorrow--not Progressive dog Apr 2013 #9
And if the POTUS wouldn't of signed the final bill ... Pullo Apr 2013 #11
So it's not Christmas for the NRA? nt Progressive dog Apr 2013 #12
In the Senate it would be n/t Pullo Apr 2013 #13

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
2. Not enough Democrats in the senate who were willing to stand by him.
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:36 AM
Apr 2013

Too many might believe that pretending they're there to work for the people when they're only working for themselves and their benefactors might have played a major role in that decision.

President Obama is too much of a progressive for their tastes. Besides, the people will blame President Obama, not Congressional Democrats OR Republicans, when nothing gets done. And they're hoping that enough fence-sitting Democratic voters will get angry enough to sit out in 2014 like they did in 2010, and allow more Republican Senators and U.S. Reps in our Congress in 2014 and another Republican president to catch the WH come 2016.

Corporate America and the Israeli lobbying group would be SO happy!

dsc

(52,129 posts)
3. It is actually even more galling that that
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:45 AM
Apr 2013

the Senators voting for the amendment represent 63% of the population while those who opposed only represent 37%.

jimmy the one

(2,708 posts)
5. split states
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 08:29 AM
Apr 2013

dsc: the Senators voting for the amendment represent 63% of the population while those who opposed only represent 37%

Curious how you handled split state senators, where one voted for & one against.
I believe you tho, at least we represented more of the population - if you split what I ask above into half & half population wise.

How come repub senators defend voting nay on the bg check bill by claiming they are protecting rights of law abiding (cough cough) gunowners, when law abiding gun owners supported bg check bill by over 80%?

BainsBane

(53,001 posts)
4. Harry Reid needs to be held responsible
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 01:55 AM
Apr 2013

For not implementing a talking filibuster. Same for all the Senators from both parties who voted no.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
6. Thank God we needed 60. With only 50, the poison pen would have passed.
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 10:18 AM
Apr 2013

60 is a blessing.

I contacted Reid's office and said say Thank you to Sen. Reid for the foresight to see how dangerous giving up that 60 would have been

NY/Ill/California would have lost their great gun laws, and it could have led to thousands of new deaths.

The house would not have passed this.

THE NRA lost the war by winning yesterday's battle.

2014 will be the next victory on our side.

The blackmailing NRA will be a thing of history

Pullo

(594 posts)
7. Without the 60 vote requirement, it would be Christmas for the NRA
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 10:28 AM
Apr 2013

1). The Cornyn amendment: would have allowed concealed-carry permits issued in one state to be valid in all other states - 57 votes.

2). The Leahy-Collins amendment: clarified language on lawfully buying a gun from a licensed dealer as a gift so that was not viewed as straw purchasing under the law - 58 votes

3). Cruz-Grassley amendment: The amendment sought to “reauthorize and improve the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), increase resources for prosecutions of gun crime, address mental illness in the criminal justice system, and strengthen criminal law by including straw purchasing and illegal firearm trafficking statutes - 52 votes


Even though the Senate is controlled by Democrats, it is still largely pro gun as a legislative body. Without the 60 vote threshold, national concealed-carry reciprocity woud have been approved, along with other NRA-approved measures.

Pullo

(594 posts)
10. Reid's strategy was an open amendment process because ....
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 11:03 AM
Apr 2013

The President pushed very hard to make sure things like the assault weapons ban and high-cap magazine ban got voted on.

Reid knew neither of those had a snowball's chance in hell at passing, and if they were included in the package, then it would be GUARANTEED nothing would pass. So Reid decided upon allowing an open amendment process so the the Newtown families got the votes on measures like the assault weapons ban the President insisted they deserved. The 60 vote threshold was a forgone conclusion, as Reid knew that would needed to fend off the Republican amendments.

The House won't act now because the Senate bill will be pulled.

Progressive dog

(6,861 posts)
9. And the President would sign it tomorrow--not
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 10:53 AM
Apr 2013

I don't care if the Senate is pro-NRA or not. 90% of Americans. including me, want background checks.

Pullo

(594 posts)
11. And if the POTUS wouldn't of signed the final bill ...
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 11:06 AM
Apr 2013

because it contained the CCW reciprocity language, we'd still be back to square one.

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