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Squigglenob

(94 posts)
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 06:34 AM Apr 2013

Tommy Chong knows how to fix America's gun control problems

Cenk Uygur and actor Tommy Chong talk about the best way to get better gun control in the U.S. "I came up with a solution to the gun control problem," Chong says, "all because of pot. The solution is insurance. You can own a gun, but it has to be insured. And if that gun creates any havoc, the insurance company has to pay." Cenk says, "That's really smart because what it does is get capitalism behind the solution."


See video at The Young Turks.
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Tommy Chong knows how to fix America's gun control problems (Original Post) Squigglenob Apr 2013 OP
Better to also charge a gun seller/manufacturer with the crime itself too graham4anything Apr 2013 #1
Why? premium Apr 2013 #7
Once the SCOTUS/laws changed, nothing more needs to be added to my statement graham4anything Apr 2013 #9
In other words, premium Apr 2013 #10
There's no market (demand) for it BootinUp Apr 2013 #2
There's no market demand for car insurance either. Scuba Apr 2013 #3
I don't think its that simple BootinUp Apr 2013 #4
Just as car owner's who aren't driving are responsible. Scuba Apr 2013 #6
Well if the original gun owner didn't secure his weapon and it was stolen, or he sold it without Hoyt Apr 2013 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author holdencaufield Apr 2013 #5
Chong is saying what I was saying here in the group a while back. A NY assemblywoman is recieving freshwest Apr 2013 #8
I wouldn't worry too much about Ms. Maloney's safety, premium Apr 2013 #11
In her case, maybe. In Texas, those fighting gangsters are on the run now. freshwest Apr 2013 #12
No insurance company is going to pay out for willful, criminal acts, or for actions by someone other slackmaster Apr 2013 #14
Exactly, in which case you gunners won't be insured and in violation of the law. That works. Hoyt Apr 2013 #15
The NRA would simply start selling gun owner insurance.... spin Apr 2013 #16
But less responsible with respect to guns than those who choose not to carry. Hoyt Apr 2013 #17
I will agree that people who don't own guns are responsible with their guns. spin Apr 2013 #18
 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
1. Better to also charge a gun seller/manufacturer with the crime itself too
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 06:38 AM
Apr 2013

Say mandatory 10% of max jail time for any seller/manufacturer

(in a way patterened after how lottery dealers are giving a reward for selling the winning ticket, this is the reverse).

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
7. Why?
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 11:47 AM
Apr 2013

As long as they follow the law, then what crime can they be charged with?
I agree with the insurance proposal, which Rep. Maloney is introducing in the House, but not your suggestion that seller/manufacturer should be charged just because someone used their product in a crime.

Just tell us on what basis can they be charged?

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
9. Once the SCOTUS/laws changed, nothing more needs to be added to my statement
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 11:52 AM
Apr 2013

It's been nice conversing with your circular arguments, however our conversation is through.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
3. There's no market demand for car insurance either.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 07:26 AM
Apr 2013

Without laws requiring such insurance, most drivers would carry none.

BootinUp

(46,928 posts)
4. I don't think its that simple
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 08:07 AM
Apr 2013

Before it would make sense to most people you would have to sell the idea that a gun owner who didn't pull the trigger is liable for how the gun was used.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
6. Just as car owner's who aren't driving are responsible.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 08:54 AM
Apr 2013

We already see negligence cases around guns left where children find them. Nothing new here.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
13. Well if the original gun owner didn't secure his weapon and it was stolen, or he sold it without
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 12:48 PM
Apr 2013

checking on the buyer, or if he gave it to his son as a right of passage but his son was acting like a big shot and killed another kid, etc. -- then the original gun owner is partly responsible and should pay.

I know gun owners don't want to take on any responsibility. But they keep telling us they are responsible -- Now, it's time to prove it.

Response to Squigglenob (Original post)

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
8. Chong is saying what I was saying here in the group a while back. A NY assemblywoman is recieving
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 11:49 AM
Apr 2013
death threats for this common sense solution.

From the same uncilivized gangsters who made death threats against representatives across the USA for supporting Obamacare.

Common threads among these nuts, promoted by Koch brothers and weapons manufacturers on hate radio and rightwing cable shows.
 

premium

(3,731 posts)
11. I wouldn't worry too much about Ms. Maloney's safety,
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 11:57 AM
Apr 2013

I would hazard a guess that the Secret Service already knows who these assholes are and will shortly receive a very unpleasant visit from them.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
12. In her case, maybe. In Texas, those fighting gangsters are on the run now.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 12:07 PM
Apr 2013

The Koch brothers and wingnuts want a civil war to install fascist rule. It's about time we took them as seriously they are in word and deed. They are dismantling this nation state by state with their actions.

Not to panic, but be aware there are very hostile elements on the loose. This comes from Grover Nordquist and his mantra of 'I want the federal government small enough to be drowned in a bathtub' funded by the Koches and foreign interests to break the country into pieces, as intended in the 1860s.

They are not kidding, and they've nearly defunded the government to the point where it can bearly defend us much less itself - or so it would appear from the internets, LOL...

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
14. No insurance company is going to pay out for willful, criminal acts, or for actions by someone other
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 01:59 PM
Apr 2013

...than the insured party.

The suggestion is trite and naive.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
15. Exactly, in which case you gunners won't be insured and in violation of the law. That works.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 03:11 PM
Apr 2013

And we all know you guys are so responsible and law-abiding that you will turn in your uninsurable weapons.

spin

(17,493 posts)
16. The NRA would simply start selling gun owner insurance....
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 03:35 PM
Apr 2013

and would give its members a discount. Discounts would also be offered if the member had proof of firearm safety training and/or a concealed weapons permit. While you suffer from paranoia of those who legally carry concealed, statistics prove that as a group they are far more responsible than any other group of gun owners.

NRA membership would jump from 4.5 million to 60 million members overnight.

edited to add

The NRA with only 4.5 members is a formidable foe. The last thing that any true supporter of gun control would wish to see is a dramatic increase in NRA membership or increased profit which would fund lobbyists at the state and nation level.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
17. But less responsible with respect to guns than those who choose not to carry.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:21 PM
Apr 2013

As far as NRA offering insurance, I'd love to see the jury awards when it's known the right wing bigots at the NRA are covering the Zimmermans, Cheneys, son of NRA Prez who shot a motorist in road rage, the dad who gives his son "Lanza" guns, etc.

spin

(17,493 posts)
18. I will agree that people who don't own guns are responsible with their guns.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:51 PM
Apr 2013

Further debate on the subject of the level of gun owners and how responsible certain groups of gun owners are is more appropriate in the other gun forum.

My point is that that requiring all gun owners to have insurance on their firearms may seem like a good idea on the surface but may have unintended consequences for gun control advocates as it may increase membership in the NRA.

Not only would the NRA make money from the increased membership and by selling insurance to gun owners but it would also make money from gun safety and concealed carry classes which many gun owners would take in order to get a discount on their insurance.

As a gun owner I really don't have any problem with obtaining liability insurance for my firearms as long as the policy was for me and not for each of my firearms. I feel the cost would be reasonable.

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