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Related: About this forumFemale US sailor beats the cr*p out of Dubai bus driver who tries to rape her
Im not entirely comfortable giving a you go girl! to a rape story, but damn its nice to see one of these guys finally get their comeuppance. Im surprised she didnt kill him.
Basically, she got on the bus after shopping, he drove to a bus terminal, pulled a knife on her, and told her he was going to rape her.
What the bus driver sadly didnt realize is that the female sailor has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. She beat the cr*p out of him.
The driver is from Pakistan, presumably a guest worker (there are lots in Dubai). Which got me thinking of all the recent rape stories from India, which is right next door to Pakistan. Especially horrific is the recent story of the rape of a 5 year old girl.
Indian authorities are notoriously lax on prosecuting rapes against women, and typically belittle the women rather than go after the rapists. But with an international uproar of condemnation following some recent high profile rapes, that were blown off by the cops and included some incredibly dismissive comments from top Indian officials on the case of the 5 year old, at least, theres been progress in arresting suspects.
http://americablog.com/2013/04/female-us-sailor-beats-the-crp-out-of-bus-driver-who-tries-to-rape-her.html
This happens on occation. And while I think "you go girl" is grossly inappropriate, I'm betting that the beating had less to do with skill or strength or 'rape prevention training' and more to do with desperation and fight- then -flight.
If this was America, the rapist would probably sue this women and have a whole team of MRA's defending him.
Edit: throwing stones at India isn't cool when we have our own rape defenders
Edit; I can see I haven't made myself clear on the 'you go girl' comment. I simply find it inadequate, and somewhat trivializing.
So, this; I'm very glad she beat the shit out of that rapist piece of shit motherfucker.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 26, 2013, 03:41 PM - Edit history (1)
Before we get all self-congratulatory about it and down on those filthy ferners.
I do like the line in "The Lincoln Lawyer," and think it's completely apropos to attempted rapists, "Hospital, not morgue"
ismnotwasm
(41,974 posts)And great quote.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)If they took it seriously, there would not be nearly the issue
geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,974 posts)For instance, I'm a huge "Kill Bill" fan, and one of my favorite scenes is when she kills her rapists. But given that her comatose body was prostituted for four years, "you go girl" feels a little inadequate.
And here, a woman beats off her rapist and is certainly to supported and upheld, I would rather do it in a way that acknowledges the gravity of the situation.
geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)BainsBane
(53,027 posts)I don't see the problem with "you go girl." The man attacked her. She has every right to use her training to defend herself.
True about the MRAsmas, as well as appallingly high rates of rape in the military.
wryter2000
(46,031 posts)It doesn't sound as if he was badly hurt. If he loses his job (doesn't say whether he did or not), she might have saved the lives of other women passengers, or at least saved them from being raped.
This is a case where someone got what they deserved.
On edit: He was driving the bus while drunk, too.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)i am glad she defended herself successfully.
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)I don't know how common it is to learn that.
ismnotwasm
(41,974 posts)My oldest daughter got a lot of training in her stint as a prison guard. She's ex-military and knows a lot of stuff. Some of it surprisingly easy.
Still, a women guard was murdered in the prison she worked at after she quit.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Sailor involved. However, it's not impossible that she was a merchant mariner:
http://www.navytimes.com/article/20130426/NEWS/304260018/Source-Rape-escape-story-likely-didn-t-involve-U-S-sailor
News outlets across the world are reporting the dramatic story of a female U.S. sailor who fended off a knife-wielding attacker in Dubai and put him in a leg lock.
Turns out, the story is probably bogus at least the part about the woman being a U.S. sailor.
Navy officials have uncovered no record of such a woman, and there were no U.S. Navy ships in Port Khalid, where her ship was said to have been in port.
According to news reports, the off-duty sailor was on 24-hour leave Jan. 19 in Dubai when her bus driver pulled off the main road, and allegedly threatened to rape her at knife point. The sailor knocked the knife from his hand and broke it in two, bit him in the hand, forced him to the ground and locked him between her thighs, the Daily Mail reported. The woman then reported the incident to her commander at Port Khalid...Its possible the woman, identified in one report as simply MJ, was a civilian mariner from the U.S.
I'd put my money on the merchant marine!!
ismnotwasm
(41,974 posts)I was hesitant about the source, but it identifies as a progressive site.
The only Merchant Marines I know at this point in my life are male and retired, or almost retired.
MADem
(135,425 posts)They aren't just cooks anymore, not for a long while. They make up a not-insignificant portion of the graduating classes of our nation's Merchant Marine Academies.
I'm sure the story happened and I think this woman is the bee's knees, good on her for kicking that jerk's ass--it's just that 'civilians' don't quite grasp the difference between someone who is in the active military and a merchant mariner. The paycheck is a big clue, but who sees that?
MM's always remind me of old time sailors--in love with the sea and all that. (I know totally romanticizing) It's very good to hear more women are involved
MADem
(135,425 posts)The accommodations are pretty swanky, though--lots of room; comfortable. And the pay is pretty damn good, too. Most merchies (the ones that aren't working on USG coastal ferries, anyway) I know work half a year. Three months on, three months off. They get into a routine with a good outfit, and they stick with it. It takes a certain degree of discipline, and it takes a family that can adjust to that routine (completely absent/completely and constantly present), but with the advent of "the internet" and even before that, reasonably affordable ship-to-shore phone comms, even the absences are not as complete as they used to be.
There is an awful lot of responsibility associated with the job(s), because there's not a lot of backup. When you're at work, you're working--but it's a good gig, as gigs go. I'd recommend it to a kid who was drawn to seafaring work, particularly if they're willing to go to one of the academies and get the good training-- it's a hard day's work, but it comes with the knowledge that the payoff is a big check and a long vacation between trips.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)and soldiers. I wish they all felt free to beat their rapists half to death.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Very, VERY small crews; the ships are highly automated so there's not an issue of overcrowding; everyone gets a stateroom that is generously sized with sufficient privacy, the food is great, the amenities are, too, and the unit cohesion on those vessels is generally superb. It is a familial atmosphere, which is why so many people scramble to get in on that career.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)and whose rapists get out of the military with nary a blemish on their record, let alone entry on the sex offenders registry, is kind overshadowing any exuberance I might otherwise feel at the good fortunes of women lucky enough to be merchant marines.
MADem
(135,425 posts)comments.
I am simply making an effort to contribute to the "here and now" aspects of this thread, and impart a bit of accuracy to the initial report.
The Merchant Marine--the lifestyle, the way it's managed, the deployment schedule, etc.--is a very different organization than the US Navy. It's not military, except in times of war.
The MM and USN (to say nothing of the Coast Guard, which certifies them) work closely together in many instances, but they are separated by many cultural differences.
That is the point I am making, so I'll just leave it at that.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)I replied to this OP not about the subject itself, but about the enormous problem that actual military women face.
This feel good story is circulating when the reality for women in the military is desperately in need of attention and action. It does not sit well with me, no matter if this story is true, false, or a mix of both.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Then I read the rest of the story. It just feels good for a win
Triana
(22,666 posts)with the "you deserve rape" sign thinks this innocent 5-year-old girl "deserved" to be raped --> http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022754699
Such things ought to cause idiots like him to rethink their dogma. Of course it won't.
Good on this woman for beating the shit out of that dirtbag. More power to HER.
klook
(12,153 posts)And I'm glad she was able to give this bastard the beating he so richly deserved. So many other rape victims (and potential rape victims) weren't able to withstand the attack. It's heartening to hear of one who did.