Stockholm Syndrome. Or something.

[ismnotwasm]

This explains a couple of people I've been wondering about.

Antifeminist crusader Erin Pizzey bravely tells Redditors that “never in the history of the world have men been so unprivileged, if you think about it.”



Longtime antifeminist crusader Erin Pizzey recently did an “Ask Me Anything” session on Reddit. Here are some highlights — by which I mean lowlights — from her answers.

Ms. Pizzey wants to ban feminism as a hate movement:

Personally, I would like to see the feminist movement described as a hate movement, so that we can then ban them from the government, from university faculties, from anywhere where they can destroy the minds of young women and men.

It’s just a teensy bit ironic, I would say, that she characterizes feminism as a hate movement at the very same time that A Voice for Men, a site she has very publicly aligned herself with, is leading a hate campaign against an individual feminist activist. (More on this to come tomorrow.) Indeed, Pizzey herself adds to the vilification of the activist here.

And speaking of A Voice for Men, she apparently agrees with AVFM’s Paul Elam that feminists are only interested in the issue of rape because they have rape fantasies and are angry that they’re not getting enough attention from men:

If you’re referring to Paul’s statement that many or most women fantasize about being taken, I’m sorry but that’s the truth. That doesn’t mean they want to be raped, but it’s a fantasy I think almost all women have. And I think he went on to say that feminists like Andrea Dworkin who were and are so obsessed with rape are really projecting their own unconscious sexual frustration because men don’t give them enough attention. Andrea was a very sad lonely woman like this–I didn’t know her but I knew of her, and I knew Susan Browmiller and you can just read her stuff to see it there.

Yeah, I’m thinking that Dworkin’s “obsession” with rape might have had less to do with her wanting “attention” from men than it did with the fact that she had been raped.
In response to a question about using Title IX to increase the number of women in science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM), Pizzey argues that most women’s brains aren’t equipped to handle all that sciencey stuff, and that most women would rather be raising children:

http://manboobz.com/2013/04/14/antifeminist-crusader-erin-pizzey-bravely-tells-redditors-that-never-in-the-history-of-the-world-have-men-been-so-unprivileged-if-you-think-about-it/


"Taken"? You mean good old fashioned bodice ripper "taken" or the apparently 'New and Improved 50 shades "Taken"? Perhaps she's referring to Alien abduction...



Oh my God I'm dyin here

[BainsBane]

1. It's repulsive

I will never understand self-hating women like this.

[eridani]

5. There are monetary and other rewards for being that way

Just sayin'.

[seabeyond]

19. i can get the monetary issue. or the comfort with oppressor motive. but... this type woman

is beyond either of those two, and that i do not understand.

[seabeyond]

18. i am trying to understand also. nt

[haikugal]

2. Damn!

I wish I could laugh at that with you...what the hell is wrong with people! Women can be the worst when it comes to things like this. I think you're right about the syndrome. Thanks for this, I think...

[ismnotwasm]

3. It's really not funny

Seeing how she's talking to a group of proto-rapists, it's that dramatic word that cracked me "women want to be taken" then I was thinking of the covers of some really cheesy novels, and--I lost it.

In reality, it's sad, it's sorry its sickening and it's pathetic.

Dangerous as well, given her audience.

[haikugal]

4. Oh I got that...totally understood.

It's like something out of Gone With The Wind...maybe her fantasy is 'to be taken'...creepy dried up husk of a woman that she probably is. Good Christian I'll wager..

Yes, given her audience it's dangerous. She's an enabler of the first order.

[BainsBane]

6. These fantasies are not rape

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Rape means the absence of consent. Whatever fantasies women have are about ex we on some level want to have, which means consent. The type of sex isn't the issue.

[ismnotwasm]

7. As in certain people

confabulating the two, as in this case. First she says "women want to be taken"--then she says they don't want to be raped. But given her audience--that muddies the waters, as this group is bizarre to say the least.

Control fantasies aren't rape NOR are they limited to women. And that's the irony, limiting sexual imagination to strict gender roles, as all these types do, while trying to say they're sexually free. It's a ridiculous state of affairs.

[BainsBane]

8. The full article is even more repulsive

Than your excerpt. Feminists are "mental patients," she says, evidently because the notion that human equality should apply to women is insane.

[ismnotwasm]

12. That's the MRA's little buddy.

They're so proud...

[redqueen]

14. I couldn't read it all at once.

Can't take that much clueless bullshit in one sitting.

[eridani]

26. That there are more subs than doms is true all across the board

True of men, of women, of gay, straight..whatever. For the same reason that there are always more people in the audience than on stage, and more readers than writers.

[seabeyond]

29. people do not get that. in fantasy there is always control. in rape there is never control.

but, people and SOME men in particular work hard to ignore that very important point. and use rape to justify "really she wants it"

[seabeyond]

20. even those bodice rippers died a death in the 80's and you will not find that today

with todays romance authors. at all. the problem is though.... just recently, like this year, they are coming back. and seems to be the trend, with the hate toward women. fiction really did reject those for a couple decades or less.

[MadrasT]

9. Delusional.

[redqueen]

10. Morons.

But what about the men who get excluded because of that? That’s the tragedy isn’t it, and the waste of money. Harriet Harman has proposed quotas for women in parliament, quotas for women in all the high-status fields, and women have flocked in but do not want the gruelling hours that men are willing to put into their professions because most of them–MOST of them–want to be spending time with their children at home, and that God for that.

Yes. Women are horrible for wanting to balance work and family life. How dare they! It's the 'masculine manly man work instead of seeing your kids' attitude that is right and just and correct. And its why women deserve to be paid less, too. But when it suits men they'll turn around and cry about not seeing their kids and how unfair it is. Waaaaaah.

Handmaidens to the patriarchy are most definitely suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. And yes, they are rewarded with special treatment and adoration from the knuckledragging throwbacks who are growing ever more desperate. And ever more angry at the world that is leaving them behind.

They used to whine and bellyache about how it was western women who were letting them down by growing backbones and refusing to capitulate to the patriarchy, but this is increasingly the case all over the world. I saw a post by an Asian woman about some of the shit she hears from white men with fetishes for Asian women, and I have to say it was eye opening. I knew there were men who were so racist and stupid, but I'd never considered that they'd be so proud of their idiotic racism as to actually try to use it as a way to get with the unfortunate Asian women they tried to hit on. Disgusting stuff. Anyway as they run out of indoctrinated women to exploit, they're gonna get angrier. And the backlash is so bad already...

[ismnotwasm]

11. Those men think its a compliment

This is an area where sexual privilege is so blatant it's incredible.

A good conversation with an Asian woman regarding the racism and sexism she experiences IS certainly eye opening.

[redqueen]

13. I just can't get over how utterly stupid they are.

One assumed that all Asian men were horrible sexists who would treat her like a servant, and he was going to show her how much better white men are.

[ismnotwasm]

15. Asian women are fetishized

One thing pro-porn people leave out is how incredibly racist it really is. They think since it's sex, racism doesn't apply somehow.

[redqueen]

16. Yeah, porn makes bad things good!

Racism, misogyny, violence... it's all magically transformed to being harmless if not awesome by the magic of pornographers.

[seabeyond]

30. and really, it is not real, so we all know better. not like this shit does not effect our thinking.

this argument blows my mind. people that will on the one hand clearly argue how fox news warps grown peoples minds. yet pretend this does not only affect adults, but really, does not affect our children either. they KNOW it is not real.

[seabeyond]

22. they really do, dumb shits. think it is a compliment. unfortunately, they

have women that think it is a compliment also. we hear and see it on du.

what is the prob with a pres introducing a professional woman as "easy on the eyes"? really. a compliment.

dont even fuckin get the harm and insult in that.

[seabeyond]

21. your whole post is good. agree.

Handmaidens to the patriarchy are most definitely suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. And yes, they are rewarded with special treatment and adoration from the knuckledragging throwbacks who are growing ever more desperate. And ever more angry at the world that is leaving them behind.

[seabeyond]

17. where do these women come from. they make no sense at all.

and this thread will be the last i can catch up on. gotta get to RL for a while. but... so many good OPs to read yet.

wow.

amazing isnt it?

i do not get these women.

[KitSileya]

23. I know I'm invoking Godwin's Law here,

but there were those of the prisoners in German concentration camps that co-operated too - they were called capos. Anything to survive. It really shouldn't surprise us that there are those who would turn on others whose group they belong to, just to position themselves more advantageously. She's one of the choirboys on the island of the Lord of the Flies - not that it absolves her. She's an adult, and vile, but more vile are the men in whom she tries to curry favor.

In fact, I think it is very important for us to remember that. These guys are worse - they are the ones with power in this society, and while we denounce her choice to support them, they are the ones we are fighting.

[ismnotwasm]

24. That's a very good observation

I skirted the issue because while I assume she's a fully autonomous woman with what she feels are valid opinions; my first gut response was 'nut job' and that does no one any good. That's she co-opted that opinion as regards feminists, is a telling point.

[KitSileya]

25. And I think your point about Stockholm syndrome was very germane.

Unfortunately, she'll be used, like the girl who did not protest on the tape with the piece of filth in Steubenville when he was spewing his excrement, as a focal point to derail the arguments and as defense.

[BainsBane]

27. I'm not so forgiving

They choose to align themselves with rape apologists and misogynists. They openly collaborate in women's subjugation and treat other women with contempt. Whatever made them the way they are, as adults they, like the rest of us, have a responsibility to learn from their experiences and not contribute to oppression. I have seen rape survivors align themselves with rape apologists. Certainly there are deep psychological issues at work there, but when they actively go about making life difficult for other women, that bothers me a great deal.

[ismnotwasm]

28. Well that's where my knee jerk shes a nut job initial response came from

So I try not to go there too much. I agree with you in principle; these women are are working toward oppression, not against it. I have to watch myself so I don't dehumanized them--easy to do when I'm disgusted.

I never got that "I don't like other women" thing, attributing to them all the sins of creation; or at least words like 'catty' 'bitchy' 'slutty' etc. And having the most cursory knowledge of women's history should see anyone past denying the need for feminism.

Yet here we are. She's had her 15 minutes I expect. She's not among friends either, and that's pretty sad, and given that particular group, disturbing.

[seabeyond]

31. if you are watching this with hubby, and he is all into it, are you really going to challenge the

shit and ruin his fun, or pretend to be the good soldier getting all into the humiliation and degradation of our gender? too many women fear creating chaos in home environment to challenge this shit. a nd what is more important. women and girls around the world, or their comfort within there own walls.

[KitSileya]

32. Definitely, it's challenging the status quo, and those with power.

There's always going to be those that work against their own good. It's scary to start challenging the way things have been, not only because you are putting yourself in danger, but also because you have to accept that not only have you been part of the system, but your loved ones too. What if they, your husband, your sons, your father, don't accept it? Then you have proof positive that they do not consider you of equal worth. If you continue the accepted narrative, you can at least tell yourself that they love you just as much, that they're protecting you and caring for you by stifling you and punishing you if you step outside the boundary. In fact, if you then start reinforcing that accepted narrative, it is in a sense self preservation, you're making it less likely that the punishment for stepping outside the boundary will be visited upon you - and let's remember that in many cultures, the punishment for stepping out of your accepted role is, for women, pretty horrific.

However, in Western culture, we've fought for our rights, and while we're not there yet, I think no one can deny that women are better off now than they were 200, 300, 1000 years ago. With the regaining of our rights, we also have more responsibility for our behavior and actions. I therefore feel that the woman in the OP certainly can be blamed for what she is doing. Not to mention, with the courageous examples we have before us, both historical and contemporary, of women standing up to fight patriarchy, we can certainly encourage and exhort women to follow the example of Aphra Behn, Mary Wollstonecraft, Harriet Tubman, Emmeline Pankhurst, Rosa Luxemburg, Susan B. Anthony, Katherine Sheppard, Gloria Steinem, Huda Sha'arawi, and many, many more.

[geek tragedy]

33. Professional bigotry enabler. See Cain, Herman; Carson, Ben. nt