I found this article on liking Hillary Clinton..

[one_voice]

very interesting. Her politics aside, because I differ a lot with many of her positions, many of the things in this article made sense to me. Especially the parts on showing any emotion in public. Imagine her yelling like the male candidates. I'm not saying it's sexism, because Elizabeth Warren can get loud.

When someone says Bernie always seems angry, people get all offended and are quick to defend him/it as passion; him caring about the issues.

I kinda of agree with the writer of the article. Liking Hillary is a difficult thing. I sit back and watch and read and am appalled by some of what I see and hear--from our side. I won't even touch what I see and hear from the other side. You don't like Hillary's policies fine, but it's always so personal. People don't mind making it personal with her. Matter of fact it seems like a badge of honor when it's done.

More Than Likable Enough

I like Hillary Clinton. And I’m convinced that saying so can be a subversive act.

’ve come to believe that saying nice things about Hillary Clinton can be a subversive act. I recently spent some time sorting through Clintoniana dating back to the early 1990s, looking at the nasty things people have said about her and common narratives that have formed about her personality. I got a better sense of the pressures that she has to live with—even on days when Donald Trump isn’t using words such as disgusting and schlonged to describe her—and how those pressures have informed her decisions.

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Here is one of those pressures: Hillary Clinton absolutely cannot express negative emotion in public. If she speaks loudly or gets angry or cries, she risks being seen as bitchy, crazy, dangerous. (When she raised her voice during the 2013 Benghazi Senate committee hearings, the cover of the New York Post blared “NO WONDER BILL’S AFRAID.”) But if Hillary avoids emotions—if she speaks strictly in calm, logical, detached terms—then she is cold, robotic, calculating.

You’d think the solution might be to put on a happy face, to admit to emotions only when they are positive. But it turns out that people hate it when Hillary Clinton smiles or laughs in public. Hillary Clinton’s laugh gets played in attack ads; it has routinely been called “a cackle” (like a witch, right? Because she’s old, and female, like a witch); frozen stills of Hillary laughing are routinely used to make her look “crazy” in conservative media.

She can’t be sad or angry, she can’t be happy or amused, and she can’t refrain from expressing any of those emotions. There is no way out of this one. There is no right way for her to act.

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You’d think, given the impressive amount of unfair and often cruelly personal scrutiny this woman faces, it would make sense for her to be pretty cautious about how she presents herself in public. Bizarre, then, that Hillary Clinton has developed a reputation in the press for seeming distant—even secretive or paranoid! It’s almost as if, after a quarter-century of being attacked for her appearance, personality, and every waking move, breath, and word, Hillary Clinton is highly conscious of how she is perceived and portrayed, and is trying really hard to monitor her own behavior and behave in ways people will accept. Which is “disgusting,” of course. We want “authentic” candidates.

Remind me: How well did the public and media react the last time she appeared in public without makeup? Or raised her voice? Or laughed? Or went to the goddamn bathroom? Or did any “authentic” thing that a real-life person does every day?

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http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2015/12/saying_nice_things_about_hillary_clinton_has_become_a_subversive_act.html

The last bolded part says it all for me. My thought is people liked Bill so much that they put all his 'sins' on her. They didn't want to hate him so they made her the villain....I've seen people blame her for the Monica thing.

[calimary]

1. Thank you.

I LOVED this article. I identify with it, big time. Thanks for posting it.

[Ino]

2. This again? It was already hashed over.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251944119

[one_voice]

3. Oh well excuse the shit out of me..

for not seeing it on Christmas fucking eve.

[Ino]

5. Now, now... that's no way to talk about Christmas!

[one_voice]

6. not even worth it...

[Ino]

7. Your original title was so much more enlightening.

[calimary]

17. There's always gonna be somebody who just simply MUST pee in the pickle barrel.

With ya, one_voice.

[djean111]

4. I don't think Hillary's "likeability" is even remotely germane to how I feel about her on issues.

Bottom line.

[ejbr]

9. What does Germane Jackson have to do with anything?

[djean111]

14. Bwahahaha! Just woke up - and I forgot about Jermaine Jackson, thought you meant Germaine Greer,

and wandered off into some sort of feminist thinking.
(For the record, I am a woman, and electing someone just because they are a woman is not what feminism is all about).

I am thinking, too, that Bill is/was so likable, and that's why everyone ignores the GOP-like stuff he accomplished, and maybe there is wonderment that this did not transfer to Hillary.

For the record, again, I would not vote for Bill instead of Bernie in the primary, either. I kinda think that the DNC is/was counting on the likeability stuff and not the issues.

[ejbr]

15. Well

I think people are still caught up in that likable trance, forgetting that's how we got Dubya.

Don't know Germaine Greer. Will Google.

[Warren DeMontague]

8. So just one quick question- why do you think I find her less likeable than I did up to around 2002?

I liked her plenty, as FLOTUS. The Monica Lewinsky crap certainly didnt make me like her less, the only people it made me like less was the GOP, if such a thing were possible.

So why do you suppose it is, that I do find her personally less likeable since;

The IWR vote
"The foundation of marriage is between a man and a woman"
Pander mode on flag burning, laws criminalizing speech protected under the 1st Amendment
Supporting the drug war, raids on medical marijuana patients, etc

More recently, trying to explain ties to wall st. "Because 9-11" and arguing that the way to stop terrorism is to demand silicon valley break encryption and censor the internet.

I still like her, but i like her less. And it has nothing to do with pantsuits, bathroom trips, x chromosomes or tone of voice.

Why do you think that might be?

[tazkcmo]

10. I like her just fine but don't trust her.

I think she's a very interesting person but I have never cared for liars in general. She lost me with sniper fire and she hasn't stopped since.

[one_voice]

11. One quick answer...

I don't think you're one of the people that would lose your shit if she got passionate about something and raised her voice. Or emotional and cried. Remember when Obama did that after the shooting at Sandy Hook?

Recently, the bathroom break stuff.

Again, this isn't necessarily about policy. It's about her and the shots taken on a more personal level.

I said that in the OP, as I have issues with many of her issues. But it does bother me how she's held to a different standard on 'normal' things.

And you don't take pot shots at people *just for liking* Hillary. You can have rational conversations with them about Hillary and other things.

This doesn't apply to you. I have disagreements with people that are 100% Hillary, but it's always about issues/policies never about the way she laughs. But I hear people say, OMG I could never vote for she's too frumpy to represent us or have you heard her laugh, how would she control Bill..etc. Those are the things I'm talking about.

[Warren DeMontague]

12. I think she kicked Trey Gowdy's ass 16 ways to Sunday at that hearing.

That's the kind of cool political acuity which will take her to the WH, in my mind.

My teeth grit when she says something so patently ludicrous it could only have come from the squishy mind of an overpaid beltway consultant; again, "wall st. Becuz 9-11" or saying we need a "manhattan project" because snoop dogg or willie nelson frustrate law enforcement with their ability to encrypt potentially incriminating photos of themselves smoking a bong, on their iphones.

But yes, i hear what you're saying. And thanks. The good news is, if shes the nominee and the best trump (or whoever) can come up with is "she went to the bathroom for a long time", say hello to President Clinton.

[BooScout]

13. Thanks for this!

I originally read it on tumblr but had no way to tweet it and from this link it's tweetable. I think it's a great piece and can't be shared enough!

Hang in their One Voice! Don't let some people beat you down!

[bigwillq]

16. I don't like the Clintons.

I don't find them "likable" at all. My opinion, and it means little, but I never got their appeal.

To me, they have always been the typical, slimy political family.

[Cha]

18. Mahalo, one_voice~