Dems who say they won't vote for Hillary if she's the nominee remind me of...

[Cali_Democrat]

[MrWendel]

1. Ah yes...

veruca salt. lol

[peacebird]

2. My, you have video of DWS as a child?!? Shocking really, yet true to form.

[roguevalley]

23. the forum is full of posts insulting bernie folks as psychos being groomed

and now this. It really doesn't look good for HRC supporters to talk like this constantly. the victimhood thing is sad to me. Tell me ... if bernie wins, then what will you do? and I am asking. If he wins, what will you do.

[baldguy]

44. Um, yeah. That's not even a little bit sexist.

[AgingAmerican]

66. Who posted it?

[NurseJackie]

3. I'm reminded of "Rhoda Penmark"

[Cali_Democrat]

16. LOL

[daleanime]

4. ........

[Politicalboi]

5. If she is involved or her people involved

In this data mess, I will NOT vote for her. If this is how she thinks she is going to win, she's in the wrong party. I've seen the Clinton's work for over 20 years, and I know how they work. They LIE! As much as I liked Bill, it was really embarrassing to defend his lies about Monica and the many other women in the life of Bill Clinton.

[Metric System]

6. Hey, this ain't Free Republic.

[Politicalboi]

11. You're right

So I took that last part out. I stand by the rest. Men who cheat, also lie. Women who deny it, also lie to themselves and those around them. I will cast my vote for Hilliary if she is not involved in this data gate if she is the nominee. If she is cheating, I will stay home.

[pipoman]

18. Wonder who alerted?

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For fuck sakes. Now we are trotting out Monica? It is highly offensive to read this kind of right wing attack on a Democratic website that many of us paid membership for. This website was created to escape the ridiculous right wing propaganda machine.

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[Hal Bent]

41. The OP was ALERTED ON?????

I thought I signed up to Democratic Underground, not Dictatorial Underground!

[pipoman]

47. This alert was on #5

[Scootaloo]

7. Good thing we won't have to worry about that, huh?

[LuvLoogie]

8. They remind me of this guy

[MannyGoldstein]

9. I feel bludgeoned!

[Cali_Democrat]

74. Bye, Manny

It's been a pleasure.

[mindwalker_i]

10. People who insist on loyalty to corruption merely because of the magical (D)

Are brainless robots who shouldn't be listened to.

[840high]

22. ...^ that

[highprincipleswork]

12. It's not Hillary, it's the rigged system.

It's not Hillary, it's the rigged system.

Well, it's a little bit Hillary, because a lot of us don't believe she will ever act in our best interest.

But above that, what is really sending people over the edge, is the rigged system, never more evident than today.

Any many of us feel a need to strike a blow, some kind of blow, against this rigged system, or keep getting more of the same.

[oasis]

13. I'm reminded of the return to sanity, civility and tranquillity at DU

after the mass exit.

[Iliyah]

29. Can't wait

[cherokeeprogressive]

14. Who's that? I don't think I've ever seen her before. Should we recognize her?

[grossproffit]

20. She's the spoiled brat in the movie "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory."

[Hissyspit]

15. I will vote for Hillary in the general election.

Doesn't mean that what the DNC tried to pull today doesn't massively suck.

And, yeah, Veruca Salt is a voter, too.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

17. Cool story, bro.

[rhett o rick]

19. Sen Sanders supports the 50,000,000 Americans living in poverty

while HRC supports the profits of Goldman-Sachs. This is a class war and the 1% isn't going to help the 99%. Of course some worship the power and wealth of the 1% and don't care about the 16 million American children living in poverty. Gloat while you can, you have the billionaires on your side but the People will prevail.

[Cha]

38. bernie's team Sabotaged their own campaign and are now trying to weasel out of it.

[rhett o rick]

48. Swiftboating by the big money. Democrats should side with the People and not the

wealthy 1%.

[zappaman]

72. Are you really saying Sanders was "swiftboated"?

Ok.

[daybranch]

21. Is that a picture of a younger Hillary

telling Wall Street not to do something? LOL!

[Fearless]

24. You can't control people. If you try, we will lose the presidency.

[Juicy_Bellows]

25. Patriots? Nt.

[Leftyforever]

26. Thats an effective tactic...

to get us to consider voting for her....

[merrily]

27. Dear Diary....

[PowerToThePeople]

28. I see "I want the presidency and I want it now!!!"

Looks like HRC to me.

[snot]

30. Let me guess: Learning through experience?

[Cha]

31. Veruca! And, who cares if those whining about not voting for the Dem nominee vote or

not? It's their damn problem.

[Iliyah]

33. Some were not gonna vote anyways, no loss there.

[Cha]

35. That's what I'm thinking.

[Betty Karlson]

32. Very mature argument you are making.

Nice touch, calling the angry millennials whiners after you consistently ignore their concerns.

[Fumesucker]

34. They remind me of Dems who said they wouldn't vote for Obama if he was the nominee

[Iliyah]

40. 2012 election they said they would not vote for Pres O

Thank GAWD this isn't the real world cause right now it would be Pres Romney and WW3. Thank you Lord!

[sufrommich]

43. There are far more Sanders PUMAs on DU than I

ever saw for Hillary in 2008. Oh,the irony.

[Cha]

36. Stamping their little feet.. "this is all about mememememememememe.. they don't care about

anything else.

[grossproffit]

37. Yaaas!

[Douglas Carpenter]

39. If you want Bernie supporters to back Hillary if she is the nominee -

I hope your realize by now dirty tricks, slimy tactics, smear jobs and name calling is not going endear people to Secretary Clinton.

[baldguy]

45. Ditto for Sanders. Note that the vast majority of name-calling is aimed at Hillary & her supporters.

But then, there isn't a legion of Hillary supporters carping about not voting for Sanders if he wins the nod. The opposite seems to be the baseline for Berniestas.

[Douglas Carpenter]

49. oh bullshit! Are you people really that delusional? Come on. Nobody is

But, I will agree that entitled Hillary may very well win the nomination and then go on lose the general election. Then the liberals and progressives will be blamed. Then after a few election cycles it will be the common wisdom that Hillary lost because she was so radically left-wing and ultra-liberal and the far left had hijacked the Party. That is exactly what they will be saying. I have seen it all before.

[baldguy]

50. The only reason the Democratic Party nominee will lose in 2016

is if liberals and progressives don't vote, or vote for a 3rd party. NOBODY IN THE CLINTON CAMP IS ADVOCATING THAT! OTOH it seems to be a prerequisite for Bernie's supporters.

The biggest delusion you have is believing your own propaganda.

[Douglas Carpenter]

53. I intend to support the Democratic nominee. But smearing Bernie and his

supporters is not going to convince liberals and progressives of anything or help Hillary in anyway. A number of Hillary's supporters have made it clear that they will not support Sen. Sander and have engaged in tactics that make it hard for them to reverse positions:

Douglas Carpenter (19,801 posts)

129. I pledge to support Hillary if she is the nominee? Do you pledge to support Bernie if he is the nominee?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=868787

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131. Absolutely not
I'm a Democrat. He is NOT a Democrat. I wouldn't vote for him if you held a gun to my head, just like I would never and have never voted for a republican in my 38 years of voting. In fact in the minuscule chance that he was nominated I would never give another red cent to the party, knock doors, or phone bank for Dems.

Not in a million fucking years. And frankly, at least 50% of that feeling could be credited to his supporters who have spent the last several years smearing the shit out of real Democrats.

So no, never, ever, ever would I vote for him. Never.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=868804

[AgingAmerican]

60. They will lose because DWS/Hillary rigged the election

And many cannot vote for a corrupt candidate

[Katashi_itto]

58. yes they are that delusional

[AgingAmerican]

59. Not by a long shot pal

The opposite is true and you know it

[treestar]

52. So many of them seem to hate her so much

I don't there is anything the Hillary camp can do. It's odd they are also Democrats.

[Douglas Carpenter]

54. many rank and file Democrats are motivated by a desire to the move the country

forward and seek a newer world - not simply hopes to refine the status quo.

I certainly have no reason to hate Hillary. I never met her. It is simply that she is not a social-democrat and would not be supportive of the kind of policies that I am convinced to a moral certainty and beyond any reasonable doubt would be necessary to move the country forward. Is she better than the any of the Republican alternatives? Of course. But I would actually like to see polices enacted that are more than simply less dangerous than Republican policies.

If there was a viable progressive and social-democratic alternative to supporting the Democrats without endangering the possibility of putting some right-wing crazy in power - I would support that instead. But the political system of the United States is not constructed that way.

Once a LaRouche devotee won the Democratic Primary for Lt. Governor of Illinois. Nobody suggested that they were morally bound to support him. On another occasion a KKK, Aryan Nation leader won the Democratic Primary for a U.S. Congress seat in Southern California. Again, nobody suggested that loyal Democrats were obliged to support him. My point being that being a Democrat is not a religion. Everybody has some point where they will not support the Democratic nominee.

Of course Hillary is not that bad and I said before and I'm sure most Sander's supporters agree as is affirmed by polling that if Hillary became the nominee they and I would support her. But this is a primary process and for the first time in decades there is at least the possibility of nominating and perhaps even electing someone who goes beyond simply tweaking the status quo. Hillary is nothing exceptional that way. She is pretty much in the same centrist political sphere that has been dominating the Democratic Party for at least the last three or four decades. I would like to try something different.

[treestar]

55. There seems to be this imaginary Hillary

and most voters are content with the status quo and with step by step forward progress. The ones most unhappy with the status quo are the right wingers who want all the progress torn down. Fighting them is what we have to do, so tearing down people who are anywhere to the left of the center line is a waste of time.

We could see ourselves going backwards if we are not smart.

[Douglas Carpenter]

56. no, I don't think there is anything exceptionally bad about Hillary.

I would prefer Bernie over her the same way I would support Bernie over Vice President Biden or Bernie over Bill Richardson or whoever.

I don't think we really have the time to just tweak the status quo. In many respects we are already going backwards. The situation is already desperate.

Besides without a strong left pushing more radical and immediate changes we have only the center-right and the far right. There is no place to compromise if we simply support policies that are based on the least we can get. The Republicans never worry about pushing too far on the right. They just keep pushing it farther and farther.

Most Republicans I know have the opposite view of Hillary and any mainstream Democratic Party figures. They denounce them as far leftist and radical socialist. Well, of course that is crazy. But if they are as far left as it goes in the American political body politic. Then a political body politic is by default created in which center-right becomes by definition as far left as anyone can go - and no farther.

There is a reason why President Obama said that in the 80's he might have been a moderate Republican and that Richard Nixon was more liberal than him in many ways.

[AgingAmerican]

63. Conservative means 'satisfied with the status quo'

That is the poly sci definition. The status quo is right wing

[AgingAmerican]

61. Hillary supporters keep driving people away from her

This OP is a prime example, and we see scores just like it every day

[quickesst]

42. " Dems who say they won't vote for Hillary if she's the nominee remind me of..."

....republicans.

[Thinkingabout]

46. I am more into holding the WH and will vote for the DNC nominee.

To allow any of the Republicans to be elected will bring more Citizens United.

[AgingAmerican]

64. Hillary is the citizens united Dem

[Thinkingabout]

65. If you claim Hillary is a citizens united dem then sanders is a citizens ind.

[AgingAmerican]

67. Hillary embraces citizens united

Her supporters cry elections can't be won without it

[Thinkingabout]

68. You know she has not embraced CU, has as a part of her agenda to get a bill passed to

Overturn, what is Sanders planning to do?

[AgingAmerican]

69. She and her supporters embrace it

That's because she is the corporate candidate

[Thinkingabout]

70. Provide a link for this one because you know this is a false talking point.

[AgingAmerican]

71. Her supporters have been saying it since may

That Sanders can't raise enough money to win without embracing it.

[Jester Messiah]

51. That's a shame.

When did it occur to you that you were entitled to peoples' votes?

[Katashi_itto]

57. Well, if it's any consolation you remind me of Jar Jar Binks.

[DeadLetterOffice]

73. Results of your jury service

Well, if it's any consolation you remind me of Jar Jar Binks.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=924547

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This is one of the worst insults I've ever seen! Jar Jar Binks almost single handedly ruined the STAR WARS prequels! No DUer should be compared to this awful, hated, racist character! The universe is a better place without him...

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[ronnykmarshall]

62. That's for sure