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pinto

(106,886 posts)
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 02:06 PM Apr 2013

Immigration reform bill - Designed to fail?

from the LA Times - http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-senate-immigration-20130416,0,3690780.story

Securing the nation's borders against illegal crossings has long been a cornerstone of reform efforts. The new plan requires a secure border with Mexico before the other provisions of the bill, including the citizenship proposals, could take hold. It provides $3 billion to increase surveillance, including the use of unmanned aerial drones. The Southwest border would be considered secure if, within five years, 90% of those attempting to cross illegally are turned back in areas that have had more than 30,000 apprehensions a year.

An additional $1.5 billion would go toward a double-layer fence constructed with help from the National Guard. Money would also go to local authorities to prevent border crossings, to triple prosecutions in some areas, and to dispatch 3,500 more customs agents.

After five years, if the border security goals remain unmet, a commission of border state governors and attorneys general will be given money and authority to implement further measures. "We're confident it's achievable," Rubio said over the weekend in a Fox News interview.

Gaining citizenship would be a decadelong and costly process that would be tied to the border security provisions.


I saw Rubio on CNN touting this bill. He stressed a "100% awareness" standard, whatever that means, and the 90% enforcement standard mentioned here.

Do any of you think this is doable or verifiable? It crossed my mind that this bill was designed to fail - not in legislative passage but in implementation?



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Immigration reform bill - Designed to fail? (Original Post) pinto Apr 2013 OP
Standard republican BS Andy823 Apr 2013 #1
Tieing the pathway to citizenship to border security is the same as no pathway in my mind.. GitRDun Apr 2013 #2
I can't speak for Mexican or Central American immigrants, but yeah, this seems political show. pinto Apr 2013 #3

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
1. Standard republican BS
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 02:26 PM
Apr 2013

The simple fact is that republicans never have and never will want any kind of immigration bill. They do the work of their masters, the rich republican businesses that "WANT CHEAP LABOR", in other words illegals they can take advantage of by paying under the table, paying less than minimum wage, no benefits, and in many cases by cheating them come payday. They know illegals are pretty much afraid to turn them in for fear the illegals would be sent home.

It's been this way since Reagan's so called immigration bill that did nothing at all to stop the problem. Since then the people who hired the undocumented workers have not been stopped. They broke the laws, but they got off, and the workers were the ones targeted and sent home. The people who hired them continue to hire those who will work for less, and not complain. Until the employers are punished with huge fines, and jail time, nothing will change and no matter who much some republican law maker says they want reform, it's simply another lie!

GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
2. Tieing the pathway to citizenship to border security is the same as no pathway in my mind..
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 02:28 PM
Apr 2013

Nothing will be changed in the minds of Hispanics I would guess, as a contingent pathway that might never happen does not change their lives one iota.

Further, how many walls have been built in the history of mankind that really kept people from crossing, I can't think of one...

Sounds like a way for politicians with no courage to sidestep the issue.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
3. I can't speak for Mexican or Central American immigrants, but yeah, this seems political show.
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 02:38 PM
Apr 2013

May be the best possible legislation at this time in a long term picture. But I'd guess the undocumented here may well take a wait and see approach. Wouldn't blame them, to tell the truth.

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