Liberal Group Ties Mitch McConnell To Al-Qaeda On Gun Control

[DonViejo]

The terrorist organization told American sleeper cell terrorists to take advantage of weak background laws in 2011 to buy guns for Mumbai-style terrorist attacks. Now the liberal group Americans United for Change is using it to hit McConnell in a new TV spot.

Andrew Kaczynski
BuzzFeed Staff

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http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/liberal-group-ties-mitch-mcconnell-to-al-qaeda-on-gun-contro

[The Magistrate]

1. True, Sir: McConnell, Hand In Glove With Murdering Terrorists

[hack89]

2. "Fully automatic assault rifle..."

it would appear that Al Qaeda is just as ignorant of present US gun laws as many Americans.

[otohara]

3. Count Me Ignorant of Guns

and proud of it.

I know this - they kill, disable and destroy lives.
What am I missing that's so god damn important?

[hack89]

4. The comment is factually wrong

you cannot buy automatic weapons at gun shows. They have been tightly regulated since 1934.

Ignorance in defense of a good cause is still ignorance.

[otohara]

5. Ummm...I Trust Media Matters.

vs you and all the pro-gun sites this 1934 bit is listed on.
You guys sure do have your NRA talking points down, I'll give you that.

The reality is that semi-automatic rifles, such as AK-47s or AR-15s, are widely available and sold at gun shows from private sellers that do not run background checks. Further conversion kits that make these rifles indistinguishable from machine guns are also widely available at gun shows.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2011/06/07/the-truth-about-gun-shows-al-qaeda-and-automati/180357

You're living in a bubble when it comes to guns.

[hack89]

6. Ready for some more facts?

rifles that are easily converted to automatic rifles are regulated just like automatic rifles. That is why semiautomatic rifles sold America are designed such that it is very hard to convert them to fully automatic rifles.

And any kit that will convert a weapon to a full automatic is also highly regulated. Conversion kits are a myth.

Automatic weapons are regulated at the component level - just having certain pieces is illegal.

That Media Matters article that mentioned conversion kits? Follow the link and you will find a 1993 article about stolen and illegal military components.

A simple challenge. If what you say is true, show all those criminal acts committed by illegally converted rifles. Show that these automatic rifles really exist. You can, can't you.

[otohara]

7. Guns Kill

- who gives flying fuck what type, make, model.

The only facts that I care about is how many Americans die each and every year and how terrified I feel knowing there are so many guns in this so-called civilized society of our, and how rude and threatening gun owners are on the net and on the road.


Shit you don't even have to fire one bullet to get what you want. Just point and demand...works every time.

Honestly, why do you all bring up how uniformed we are on the type of guns are used in murder, rape, robbery, domestic abuse, murder/suicides? Who fucking cares - dead is dead, rape is rape, robbery is robbery.

[hack89]

8. Ignorance in defense of a good cause is still ignorance

feel free to remain clueless. Just don't complain down the road when you discover that the laws you thought were so good accomplish absolutely nothing.

If you do not have the knowledge to tell a bad law from a good law, just how are you making things better? Do you want a repeat of the 1994 AWB? The key to an effective democracy is an informed electorate. You reveling in your ignorance is not helping your cause. Instead of depending on others to do the heavy lifting, why don't you take the time to educate yourself and contribute in a meaningful way?

[otohara]

9. Typical Insulting Gun Nut

You don't want the laws to work - just so there will be no laws.

Keep calling me names, I don't give a shit.

[hack89]

10. I am just pointing out that you should take the time to learn about guns

if you want to contribute in a meaningful way.

I support all proposed gun laws except an AWB and registration. I live in a state with strict gun control laws including universal background checks.

Pointing out factual inaccuracies in that ad is not the same as saying I want no gun control. Accurate facts are important when it comes to formulating policy, don't you think?

[otohara]

12. Pardon Me If I'm Not Interested

in learning what the billion dollar gun industry is up to with it's new designs so that people like you think you can turn our gun problem into something positive by pointing out how fucking clueless the rest of us are on these deadly weapons.

See everyday I see my neighbor - a lovely woman and extremely depressed since her "responsible gun owning ex" took their son and pulled a murder suicide last year.

I am blinded by her sadness.

Her ex...responsible gun owner until he was in his late 50's.

I cry for her, I loathe what America has become - I fear for my only son who travels the country with his band - playing at clubs where liquor, testosterone and loose gun laws could get him killed.

I fucking hate guns - I'm not alone - deal with it.

[hack89]

13. Don't be suprised when the NRA wins again

they count on people like you not to understand their shenanigans. Remember the 1994 AWB? Ready to be fooled again?

Look - the right emotions are not enough to fix this problem. You have to understand what the problem really is.

[otohara]

15. I'm Not The Fool Here

I don't own a gun.
I'm not that paranoid.

The NRA will win with the help of the wingnut GOP Congress.
I'm not stupid.

You just can't stop with the insults - studies show gun owners are more apt to be more aggressive and rude.

Who ever said "guns make for a polite society" lied. All you have to do is read comments at YouTube of the Presidential address done yesterday by a couple from Sandy Hook.

I'm done with your insults

[hack89]

16. ok. nt

[Paladin]

11. Don't be intimidated, Otohara.

The gun terminology/esoterica thing is a long-time tactic of pro-gun activists, used to stifle debate and thereby control it. I say that as a lifelong gun owner, as someone who is familiar with how guns work. This is an on-line discussion forum, not a congressional drafting venue; you are entitled to your viewpoints.

[hack89]

14. How is pointing out a factual error in a political ad stifling debate?

are you saying that accuracy is irrelevant as long as the cause is good?

[JohnnyBoots]

17. Yes,

If we were discussing cars and people didn't know the difference between an automatic transmission and a stick shift that wouldn't matter all and be a talking point from AAA. If you are going to try and take away peoples rights, you should at least know the mechanics of what you are talking about on a technical issue. People are certainly entitled to their own opinion, it just does not mean that it is a correct or fact based opinion.

[Paladin]

18. This is a discussion group, not a legislative body.

It's not as if a detailed familiarity with gun parts, functions and terminology is going to change your mind, or mine, on this subject. And such esoteric knowledge is not necessary to formulate a meaningful opinion on the gun issue. Once again, I say the foregoing as someone who's been familiar with firearms for better than 50 of my 60 years.

[JohnnyBoots]

19. So you're saying that facts don't matter?

That people should just formulate an opinion based on emotion or hearsay and be taken seriously in a discussion? Understanding an issue is a basic need for discussing it in a coherent and intelligent manner.

[Paladin]

20. Contrary opinions on gun control aren't taken seriously by either side at DU.

The "coherent and intelligent" element doesn't even enter into it, ultimately. You've got your cherry-picked set of facts, and my side has some, as well. This is a political discussion group, and we're here for the entertainment value. If you think that being able to designate the differences between a clip and a magazine are of critical importance (even though you and I know full well that those two terms have been used interchangeably by gun owners for decades), knock yourself out. That's entertainment.....

[JohnnyBoots]

21. I get your point. I think

knowing the differences between automatic and semi-automatic firearms and the laws pertaining to them are vital to the discussion. At day's end, let's agaree to disagree.

People referring to clips and magazines as the same thing is a minor annoyance. I hate when they say 'high capacity ammunition', what does this even mean, +P loads? I've always wondered if they do ban 'high capacity clip's' would it only pertain to M1 Garands and the like and not modern magazine fed semi-auto rifles? Is that a loophole one side could exploit?

[otohara]

22. Emotional Me

Just shoot all the vaginas in this country with your designer guns and that should take care of the "emotion" problem i keep reading about.

The gall of gun folks never ceases to amaze.

[JohnnyBoots]

23. What on Earth are you talking about?

Your hyperbolic statement makes no sense. You're the one advocating violence, not me. What is a 'designer gun', is Ralph Lauren putting out a .40 cal this season?

[otohara]

24. NRA Talking Points About Emotion

That people should just formulate an opinion based on EMOTION or hearsay and be taken seriously in a discussion? Understanding an issue is a basic need for discussing it in a coherent and intelligent manner.

Must not listen to the emotional losers who know nothing about the billion dollar gun industry

Opinion: Gun Control Emotions vs. Gun Control Facts
http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/20/opinion-gun-control-emotions-vs-gun-control-facts/

Obama's proposals assuredly do not "deserve a vote" if all he can offer in their favor is one emotion-laden non sequitur after another
http://reason.com/blog/2013/02/13/obamas-case-for-gun-control-one-emotion.

We Can Ratchet Down the Passions
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2013/01/06/what-the-fight-over-guns-is-really-about/emotions-about-guns-can-be-ratcheted-down

The clamor for gun control is about emotion and ideology, not reason -
Gun Control Doesn't Work
The calls for increased gun control after the Newtown, Conn. shooting are an emotional reaction. This happens every single time a public shooting becomes a national tragedy. It is also always demonstrably wrongheaded and potentially deadly.

Kathleen Parker: Emotions trump facts in gun control debate
Add to the conundrum our politics of individual freedom combined with the exploitation of emotion to craft what is likely an impotent solution, it is little wonder our congressional leadership is bamboozled.http://www.winonadailynews.com/news/opinion/columnists/other/article_a69378e8-a1fc-11e2-bbee-0019bb2963f4.html

I could post hundreds of articles or blogs where gun fans insist emotions must not be part of the gun discussion.

Women are the emotional ones in our society and perhaps dads, brothers, uncles, granddads who have lost a loved one to guns.

This emotion talking point is old and I will not be silenced by you or anyone else who uses that tired old meme.

[JohnnyBoots]

25. This

does nothing to force my hand into taking you or your emotional opinions seriously. If anything, I take you even less seriously now. Your tone is almost child like. Emotion is the enemy of reason. You want to tear up the Bill of Rights based on your emotions, this is idiotic.

For the record, the range was full capacity and 75% women this weekend. I doubt that you speak for the majority of female firearms owners. I would enjoy watching you tell them how overly emotional they are in our society.

[otohara]

27. Living Breathing Humans

are more important to me than the fucking BOR's.

Here's what your buddies think of grieving parents of Sandy Hook.
Here's your serious gun experts, your brothers with arms.
Many posts were removed, probably because they were beyond disgusting.
Behold the words of "responsible gun" guys/gals.


They are both washed up old actors. Here's their marriage announcement. You really thought that old guy had a 6 year old son? Come on.. average birthing age is 21. I haven't seen a Sandy Hook parent that appears under 40.
*****

By the way her "husband" is also an actor as well

If these actors wanted to prevent violence they would advocate trying and imprisoning the private banking crooks that have deliberately looted and bankrupted the country, and all of their willing prostitutes they put into the appearance of power.

If these criminals actually represented your interests like they pretend they would be open to complete public knowledge of what they do instead of hiding in the shadows like the rats they are
*****

How sad that there is never any shortage of pieces of shit eager to sell out any and everyone for self interest at every single level.

Whores and whores competing to see who can suck the most psychopath cock and move up the parasite ladder.

What could be more pathetic than the straight faced teleprompter reading disgraces, doing their part to see humanity plunged into a scientifically created hell that can never be undone.

All for a few sheckels...
*****

YOUR ACTING SUCKS

- YOU ARE TAKING AWAY FROM ALL THE OTHER FAMILY'S AFFECTED

- YOU SHOULD BE HELPING OTHERS THAT HAVE LOST FAMILY MEMBERS INSTEAD OF MAKING YOUTUBE VIDEOS

- IF YOU REALLY CARED YOU WOULDN'T ACCEPT BEING A PUPPET FOR OBAMA
******

This woman is so fake, its insulting.

*****


Did you spend the budget for this treasonous psy op on drugs and disabled children to have sex with?

Find some better actors if you want anyone to take your globalist war criminal OWNERs' propaganda campaigns seriously

******
This women has become a spokesperson for what?..shut up bitch...go grieve quitly with your family!.

*****


You clowns should have got this bitch some better acting lessons

I'm totally going to believe in the fictional narrative on this anti freedom false flag

Please I am so scared I will not feel safe until you put an armored killing robot in every home to protect us form the fictional terrorists

******

But but some child molesting psychopaths scribbled their inbred ramblings on a scroll

Never mind that they are not democratic, are sell out traitors, prostitutes to mass murdering fraudulent private banker cartels

******

Hey look it's actress Francine Wheeler whoring herself out to the psychopath terrorists

People will do anything for a sheckel these days

[JohnnyBoots]

28. You don't care about the

Bill of Rights. That's rational. The grief of the Sandy Hook families does not trump the contitutional rights of a nation of 310,000,000 people protected by the Constitution.


The statements you give are not cited, so I am going to guess that they are from a fringe website and you are trying to pass them off as mainstream. I doubt they are from the 'Guns & Ammo'' editorial page.

You're irrational responses are proving my point for me.

[otohara]

29. See I See You As Irrational

for having a gun in the first place.

The White House YouTube is a fringe website?
Click on the video, then click on the YouTube version and there you'll find
the rational people.

[JohnnyBoots]

30. Youtube comments?

Seriously, that is what you are going with to prove your point?

[otohara]

31. No One Opinion Counts?

except yours.
Oh I see, you should have told me.

I know you don't like having the lunatic fringe on your side...too bad, they are.

[Agnosticsherbet]

26. Lay down with dogs, wake up with fleas. n/t