Twelve Senators Helping Crooks and Crazies Buy Guns

[riqster]

Here's the deal: by opposing background checks, the Dirty Dozen will keep the pipeline open for the criminally insane, mentally incompetent and convicted felons among us to purchase guns at gun shows and yard sales. That, friends, is supporting the ability of these individuals to buy weapons.

http://bluntandcranky.wordpress.com/2013/04/08/twelve-senators-are-helping-crooks-and-crazies-buy-guns/

[leftyohiolib]

1. why do people want to enable the massacre of children- dont they care about the children

why do they want mass-murders to have weapons. if you against gun regs and background checks then you must be for the mass-murder of children or else you would welcome the opportunity to prevent such a horror

[Proud Liberal Dem]

2. Oh they "care" about the children

they just think it's better that more people in schools and elsewhere have guns handy so that they can heroically whip out their guns and stop the next Adam Lanza.

[leftyohiolib]

3. remember adam lanza was a "law-abiding gun-onwer" ... until he wasnt

[Skip Intro]

4. Bullshit.

Deaths from "mass murders" over the last 30 Years is less than 600, a fraction of one percent of gun deaths.

That whole, "if you're not for what I want to do you must support killing children" is absolute bullshit.

That's what's left to target those who didn't fall for the "we must act to save the children" bullshit on gun control.

No thinking person buys it.

And that's one big reason the "gun control" effort is crashing.

People see through the effort to use victims of a tragedy as stage props to push an agenda to put as much of a dent in the RKBA as possible by exploiting emotions.

Well, nobody buys it, and trying to shame people who don't as being "for the mass-murder" of children doesn't win you a single convert.

[SunSeeker]

6. Are you against universal background checks? nt

[bossy22]

11. Depends how the term "transfer" is defined

The way the current proposal does it is extremely confusing....here is part of it.

2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to—
13 ‘‘(A) bona fide gifts between spouses, between
14 parents and their children, between siblings, or be15
tween grandparents and their grandchildren;
16 ‘‘(B) a transfer made from a decedent’s estate,
17 pursuant to a legal will or the operation of law;
18 ‘‘(C) a temporary transfer of possession that
19 occurs between an unlicensed transferor and an unli20
censed transferee, if —
21 ‘‘(i) the temporary transfer of possession
22 occurs in the home or curtilage of the unli23
censed transferor;
12
ALB13180 S.L.C.
1 ‘‘(ii) the firearm is not removed from that
2 home or curtilage during the temporary trans3
fer; and
4 ‘‘(iii) the transfer has a duration of less
5 than 7 days; and
6 ‘‘(D) a temporary transfer of possession with7
out transfer of title made in connection with lawful
8 hunting or sporting purposes if the transfer oc9
curs—
10 ‘‘(i) at a shooting range located in or on
11 premises owned or occupied by a duly incor12
porated organization organized for conservation
13 purposes or to foster proficiency in firearms
14 and the firearm is, at all times, kept within the
15 premises of the shooting range;
16 ‘‘(ii) at a target firearm shooting competi17
tion under the auspices of or approved by a
18 State agency or nonprofit organization and the
19 firearm is, at all times, kept within the prem20
ises of the shooting competition; and
21 ‘‘(iii) while hunting or trapping, if—
22 ‘‘(I) the activity is legal in all places
23 where the unlicensed transferee possesses
24 the firearm;
13
ALB13180 S.L.C.
1 ‘‘(II) the temporary transfer of pos2
session occurs during the designated hunt3
ing season; and
4 ‘‘(III) the unlicensed transferee holds
5 any required license or permit.
6 ‘‘(3) For purposes of this subsection, the term ‘trans7
fer’—
8 ‘‘(A) shall include a sale, gift, loan, return from
9 pawn or consignment, or other disposition; and
10 ‘‘(B) shall not include temporary possession of
11 the firearm for purposes of examination or evalua12
tion by a prospective transferee while in the presence
13 of the prospective transferee.

[riqster]

13. If they would amend the legislation, it would be one thing

But the dirty bastards are determined not to even allow debate and amendments, much less a vote.

Poorly-written laws should be corrected via the legislative process, not killed out of hand by paid-off crooked lawmakers.

[leftyohiolib]

7. blah blah blah - if you are against background checks and mag limits you are siding with rapists

wife beaters and mass-child-murderers.

[bossy22]

10. if you are against random screenings, the patriot act, increased public and private surveillance

you are siding with terrorists and and criminals

see how black and white thinking can go both ways?

[riqster]

9. Here's hoping you never have to bury one of your children

It is a horrible experience. And it does provide one with a certain hard-won clarity on some issues.

[SunSeeker]

5. Unbelievable that anyone would be against background checks.

Hell, the NRA used to be for background checks. I guess their puppet masters decided they make too much money selling guns to nuts.

[riqster]

8. Dingdingding! We have a winner!

The NRA has evolved into a lobbying organization for weapons manufacturers, and they are wanting to sell guns. Lots and lots of guns.

[bossy22]

12. its not against background checks per se

its against the way a transfer is defined in proposed legislation. The problem is that the way the legislation defines transfer would make it illegal for you to let your friend shoot your gun on your own land and much more.

2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to—
13 ‘‘(A) bona fide gifts between spouses, between
14 parents and their children, between siblings, or be15
tween grandparents and their grandchildren;
16 ‘‘(B) a transfer made from a decedent’s estate,
17 pursuant to a legal will or the operation of law;
18 ‘‘(C) a temporary transfer of possession that
19 occurs between an unlicensed transferor and an unli20
censed transferee, if —
21 ‘‘(i) the temporary transfer of possession
22 occurs in the home or curtilage of the unli23
censed transferor;
12
ALB13180 S.L.C.
1 ‘‘(ii) the firearm is not removed from that
2 home or curtilage during the temporary trans3
fer; and
4 ‘‘(iii) the transfer has a duration of less
5 than 7 days; and
6 ‘‘(D) a temporary transfer of possession with7
out transfer of title made in connection with lawful
8 hunting or sporting purposes if the transfer oc9
curs—
10 ‘‘(i) at a shooting range located in or on
11 premises owned or occupied by a duly incor12
porated organization organized for conservation
13 purposes or to foster proficiency in firearms
14 and the firearm is, at all times, kept within the
15 premises of the shooting range;
16 ‘‘(ii) at a target firearm shooting competi17
tion under the auspices of or approved by a
18 State agency or nonprofit organization and the
19 firearm is, at all times, kept within the prem20
ises of the shooting competition; and
21 ‘‘(iii) while hunting or trapping, if—
22 ‘‘(I) the activity is legal in all places
23 where the unlicensed transferee possesses
24 the firearm;
13
ALB13180 S.L.C.
1 ‘‘(II) the temporary transfer of pos2
session occurs during the designated hunt3
ing season; and
4 ‘‘(III) the unlicensed transferee holds
5 any required license or permit.
6 ‘‘(3) For purposes of this subsection, the term ‘trans7
fer’—
8 ‘‘(A) shall include a sale, gift, loan, return from
9 pawn or consignment, or other disposition; and
10 ‘‘(B) shall not include temporary possession of
11 the firearm for purposes of examination or evalua12
tion by a prospective transferee while in the presence
13 of the prospective transferee.

[riqster]

14. The Senators in question are not being that nuanced

They are filibustering any and all gun-related legislation.

[SunSeeker]

15. There is no reason to tank the bill, and they know it. That's why they won't allow a vote.

They don't have the guts to put their name to the "no" vote.

Even if there is an individual right to a gun in the 2nd Amendment, there is certainly no right to arm the buddy of your choice. If your shooting buddy does not have his own gun, maybe there's a reason...and you should keep it that way. Your buddy shooting on your own land can kill you, guests on your property, and your neighbors--bullets can travel for miles.

I'll never forget that story of the famous ex-navy SEAL sniper Chris Kyle who brilliantly decided to take a fellow vet to a shooting range as a "treatment" for his PTSD. The mentally ill vet ended up shooting Kyle to death with his own gun, and also killed Kyle's poor neighbor buddy who had tagged along. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/04/chris-kyle-charity_n_2616090.html

I think the transfer restriction is a good idea.