"I'm glad Hillary is wooing Wall Street and Bush supporters...

[whatchamacallit]

... she's going to need every penny she can get to stop horrible republicans... like her... eh... close friends Trump and Bush".

[YouDig]

1. I'm glad. We need to beat Trump, that's all that matters now.

[Art_from_Ark]

5. What matters now is getting the best Democratic candidate

and it isn't someone who is being investigated by the FBI and who hobnobs with the same people we are supposed to be opposing.

[YouDig]

6. We got the best candidate, Hillary.

Do the math, the primaries are over. It's time to defeat Trump.

[Art_from_Ark]

10. Are you for real?

She is in no way, shape or form the best Democratic candidate. She changes her positions constantly, she gets all lovey-dovey with the Trumps, the Bushes, and Henry Kissinger, she gives only tepid support to core Democratic issues, and she's projecting her inner Richard Nixon. And on top of that, she's being investigated by the FBI.

[YouDig]

13. Are you? Do you know the delegate counts? It's over.

[Art_from_Ark]

14. I know the delegate counts-- that is, the *pledged* delegate counts

And Hillary is nowhere near clinching the nomination with *pledged* delegates.

[YouDig]

15. What are you hoping for? The superdelegates to subvert the voices of voters?

Good luck with that. Sorry to say, the primaries are over. Hillary won.

[Art_from_Ark]

16. The primaries are NOT over

This thing won't be over until July.

[YouDig]

17. They are over for practical purposes. What are you hoping to happen?

Can you describe any plausible way that it's not Hillary? Give it a shot.

[Art_from_Ark]

21. Geez-- FBI investigations, for one thing

And there are still lots of primaries left, and Bernie is the favorite in all but one.

Neither Bernie nor Hillary will have enough pledged delegates by the convention.

And talk about "subverting the will of voters"-- perhaps you would like to explain why Bernie shut Hillary out in Vermont, but superdelegate Howard Dean has still pledged his vote for her.

Or why Bernie absolutely trounced Hillary in Colorado and Wyoming, but may actually end up with fewer delegates from those states because of the non-elected superdelegates?

[YouDig]

23. Bernie has zero chance of catching up in pledged delegates.

It won't even be close. All you can hope for is a superdelegate rebellion, but the superdelegates are Democrats, they aren't going to override the overwhelming will of the electorate to install a socialist that the Democratic voters rejected.

I guess you don't like math, but I suggest looking up the numbers for yourself. Sorry, Bernie's toast. Time to get on board to defeat Trump.

[Art_from_Ark]

24. Just what is the "overwhelming will of the electorate"?

You're basically talking about the "overwhelming will of the *Southern* electorate". Outside of the South, Bernie has done better than Hillary.

[YouDig]

26. You know, 300 or so more pledged delegates, 3 million more votes.

And the South is part of the country as well. Even Southern states like New York, Pennsylvania, and Ohio get to vote. As well they should.

Yeah, if you only count states where Bernie won, then he wins. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

[RoccoR5955]

41. She only won a majority of SOUTHERN NY!

In my county, which is in the Central Eastern part of the State, Bernie won 63% to 37% or thereabouts.

[Art_from_Ark]

42. You realize that there was a lot of election fraud in New York, right?

Even the mayor of New York City conceded that

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/protesters-pan-alleged-ny-primary-fraud-board-elections-hq-article-1.2623513

There was also voter suppression in Illinois

http://usuncut.com/politics/illinois-democratic-establishment-refuses-to-allow-late-voting-for-voters-turned-away-from-polls/

And auditing fraud there that favored Hillary
http://www.inquisitr.com/3022058/election-board-scandal-21-bernie-votes-were-erased-and-49-hillary-votes-added-to-audit-tally-group-declares-video/

Not to mention the "official Democratic sample ballots" in Illinois that conveniently omitted Bernie's name.

Then there's the Justice Department's investigation of voter suppression in Arizona

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/05/politics/justice-department-investigation-arizona/

And then there was the "misreporting" of election data in Colorado that favored Hillary

http://www.denverpost.com/election/ci_29755029/colorado-democrats-admit-mistake-that-cost-bernie-sanders

And who can forget Bill Clinton violating the spirit if not the letter of election laws in Massachusetts?

http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/blog/2016/03/01/bill-clinton-massachusetts-voting-laws/

And caucus counting shenanigans in Iowa?

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2016/02/06/iowans-claim-instances-when-sanders-shorted-delegates/79902080/

Face it, your candidate has made an art of cheating

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/riley-waggaman/its-not-just-arizona-elec_b_9550670.html

[LoverOfLiberty]

44. Why is it

That every Sanders loss is a claim that somehow it was Hillary cheating?

When will it end? Or will it?

[Art_from_Ark]

48. Did you even read the goddamn links?

The Justice Department is investigating Arizona election shenanigans, for crying out loud! Thousandss of people stood in line for hours, only to be told they couldn't vote. And the number of polling places in Phoenix was severely reduced from about 200 in 2008 to 60 in 2016, even though the city had grown in population in the meantime.

The state of New York has admitted that thousands of voters were prevented from voting through no fault of their own. More than 100,000 voters were purged in Brooklyn alone-- Bernie's hometown. Tens of thousands more were prevented from voting by having a ridiculously early deadline for switching party affiliation.

There is video evidence that votes in Illinois were switched from Hillary to Bernie. Not to mention the goddamn "official democratic sample ballots" in Cook County that omitted Bernie's name.

And in Iowa, the head of the Clinton campaign was in charge of tallying the goddamn caucus votes-- and she wouldn't provide the hard data. Even the Des Moines Register, which had endorsed Hillary, admitted that something was rotten in Denmark.

If any of this crap had happened in any other country, it would be a given that massive election fraud was occurring. But because it's in the USA, and it favors your candidate, you willingly turn a blind eye to it.

[YouDig]

46. Oh Gawd. The Election Fraud conspiracy?

The bad news for you is that superdelegates aren't into conspiracy theories.

[KPN]

55. And by a long shot. Her southern base will be absolutely worthless in the GE.

Blue State Dems are the critical ones. Bernie will have the majority of those votewise.

[Ohioblue22]

30. Berners clinging to that fbi investigation. Even if something were found they'd have to prove intent

AND harm and you can't do either.

[Art_from_Ark]

35. Wow-- are you really so naive?

If the FBI finds anything, it will be a sword of Damocles hanging over Hillary's head.

[LoverOfLiberty]

45. By the way

I love your Avatar of the stamps. Awesome issue by the post office!

[Ohioblue22]

68. No it won't in that they aren't going to find anything that will amount to anything

[LoverOfLiberty]

43. In all but one?

How about, at least 2.

The 2 biggest, NJ and CA.

Get real.

[arcane1]

31. No.

They aren't for real. Just another member of the mid-April club.

[Loudestlib]

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[Ned_Devine]

18. Thank you

Stats like these need to be revealed when posters like this one spout off

[Loudestlib]

19. You're welcome!

There are so many of them lately.

[bvf]

52. What a huge surprise.

Even more obvious than a sleeper.

Thanks for posting the info.

[whatchamacallit]

61. +1

[hrmjustin]

2. I don't like these donors anymore than you do but I would rather Hillary get their money than Trump.

[griffi94]

3. Exactly

And it also denies Trump that money.
She's also pulling moderate Republican votes from Trump.

There's no down side.

[whatchamacallit]

4. Keep telling yourself that

[griffi94]

9. That'll be easy because it's true

Democrats keep the Whitehouse and get 3 USSC picks
and continue the progress started by President Obama.

Where's the down side.

[baldguy]

36. Appearently, the "downside" is having a real Democrat in the White House.

They think burning the village down in order to save it is a rational, viable strategy.

[B Calm]

7. Sad it's come down to this. Come November one will have to pinch their nose to vote.

[Fast Walker 52]

50. that's been clear for a long time

[silvershadow]

8. If she had opted out, she could have raised as much money as she was able or wanted

to. That said, I'm not sure that would have been any more successful. But then again, she and Bill could have just self-funded, but chose not to.

[Fresh_Start]

12. every dollar thats sucked out of the GOP side of the equation

and toward the democratic side of the equation is very welcome.

If only the GOP would be left starving for political contributions, then we'd have a change to take back the Congress

[Sparkly]

25. Exactly.

I guess we only like progress when it's not really about making progress.

[onecaliberal]

27. They have been promised things for that money.

Do you think they're giving it to her to pass democratic agenda? She's a republican.

[Fresh_Start]

47. Yes, they want something....they want her to beat Trump

before trump completely destroys the GOP.

[onecaliberal]

60. Surely you jest, they want her to keep their god damn tax cuts and ship the rest of the jobs

Overseas for their cheap labor. And they want her to help them rip off what's left of social security. You really need to get out more.

[Fresh_Start]

63. I'm no chicken little

actually live in reality.
you should check it out

[onecaliberal]

64. Thanks for the biggest laugh I've had in 6 months.

You wouldn't know reality of it knocked you upside the head with a 2x4.

[pacalo]

20. USA! USA! USA!

[baldguy]

22. But it's OK for Sanders to court Trump supporters.

That the supposed "progressive" Sanders fans not only have no problem with this, but promote it as something positive is both disgusting & appalling.

[pnwmom]

28. And to court NRA people. n/t

[baldguy]

34. Right. What's a few dead children here & there?

[hollysmom]

29. 2you really don't understand what this is about, do you?

the party should court every voter, but it should not be obligated to the money. You should spell out how your programs affect everyone, you should not change your policies for for money.

So taking Koch money is a good thing now, doyou really believe they give money without conditions?

[baldguy]

32. It should be about Sanders' hypocrisy.

And yours.

[hollysmom]

38. wow, go and disagree with me if you want but

and so is yours in not an honest reply. if you don't have an argument, Nyah nyah nyah does not work.

do you not know what I said because your reply does not indicate that you did.
to make it simpler so you can understand. this was about Clinton appealing to republican donors versus Sanders appealing to republican voters. there is a difference, the voters will vote for you or not, the donors want something back. or do you now support Citizen's united? I will talk to my great niece and see if that explanation works for her, she is 10.

[pnwmom]

37. Koch's money has been fighting Hillary since January. Bernie's been the beneficiary,

whether he wanted to or not.

[hollysmom]

39. the "or not" is the big important part of that.

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. The party realignment is almost complete

[Hydra]

53. And faster than expected

You did indeed call it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

54. Well it really picked up speed

in the last 15 years... but the process has almost been multigenerational.

[Hydra]

56. The DLC/Bushco alliance was an open secret

But for them the announce it like this before the election smacks of a certain..."What can you do to stop us?" challenge.

[nadinbrzezinski]

58. Well we cannot stop them

but sooner or later the rest of the fractured base will notice

Why the threats at present. Who are you going to vote for? They are childish, but careful what they ask...

[RoccoR5955]

40. Yeah, and she is going to have to pay them back

with favors. So who do you think that she will give priority to? The millionaires on Wall St., or Joe Schmoe on Main St.?

[pmorlan1]

62. Don't Pop Their Balloon

They all think they will BE the millionaires.

[Logical]

49. So basically you admit you have no standards. Like hillary? ok. nt

[Trust Buster]

51. The Republicans will drop $2 billion on this cycle. We would be foolish not to compete.

[Mz Pip]

57. If sanders supporters threaten to stay home

Or vote for Trump then she'll need to look elsewhere for funding. Trump will spend a lot to defeat her.

Another casualty of Sanders supporters staying home is Clinton won't feel it necessary to move any further left. This will be one of the unfortunate consequences of sitting out the election.

[onecaliberal]

65. Do you need some cheese to go with you whine?

Independents ARE going to stay home because Hillary supporter continually berate them and say they DONT NEED THEM. Now you're going to blame them. Seriously you people can not fucking have it both ways.

[Mz Pip]

69. I'm not whining

I'm making an observation.

Anyone who stays home because some random people berate them are pretty immature. It's the fucking Internet. People are jerks.

I really don't care who the nominee is. I haven't even voted yet. But I am not going to make my decision based on the temper tantrums and memes I read on the Internet, regardless of who they are coming from. My goal is to keep Donald Trump out of the White House.

If I stayed home every time my preferred candidate didn't win the nomination, I would have sat out decades of elections.

[onecaliberal]

70. Im going to make my decision based on the candidate who is NOT owned by

corporations, the candidate who doesn't have to hide transcripts of speeches he made. The one who wants to give EVERYONE healthcare, and an education. The one who is tired of jailing African Americans for nothing. The ONLY candidate who gives two shits that future generations will NOT be able to survive on this planet.
People stay home because there is NO hope! Telling someone they are immature because they are done voting for politicians to continually screw them over and make things worse, is the very best example of what is wrong with this country. You are free to do whatever you want, but stop telling people not to stand with their own morals. Voting for the least worst has gotten us at record high income inequality, and child poverty. IM DONE VOTING FOR THAT. GOT IT?!?

[Warren DeMontague]

59. Don't forget the "Megachurch Moms"

[CobaltBlue]

66. whatchamacallit—Does this have any meaning to you? (Have you absorbed any of it?)

[whatchamacallit]

67. Does what have any meaning?