2016 Postmortem
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Im sure that many people here received an e-mail from Jeff Weaver, the Sanders Campaign Manager, regarding an event last night in Colorado. But, for those who may have missed it, I would like to share some of its contents.
Last night, Hillary hosted a fund-raiser in a state that has already caucused. The top seats went for $27,000; others paid $2,700 for their seats.
But a crazy thing happened when she got ready to speak. Her campaign actually turned on a static noise machine pointed at the press so they couldnt hear what she was saying to the financial elite in attendance.
Im sure that the Clinton supporters on this forum think that is just dandy. Im not as confident that they would have approved if, say, George W. Bush had done the same thing in 2000 or 2004. But they seem to use an ethical slide-ruler to measure what is okay for a candidate to do.
As a supporter of Bernie Sanders, I find that objectionable. It reinforces the belief that Hillarys message to the elite is not only different from her message to the peasants classes, but has to be kept extra-super-secret.
Peace,
H2O Man
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)The Hillary spin was that this is a lie because it is impossible Dr. Who technology that won't exist for another 30 years....
H2O Man
(73,536 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I tend to disbelieve people that claims something happened that only they saw ... and that make a videos with editorial comments posted to said video to prove their point.
But that's just me ...
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)The video I liked came from this repoter
https://twitter.com/StanBushTV/status/718241724057915393
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)did any of them report on it.
I'm pretty sure if they were hearing things ... and then, sudden, were unable anything, they would have talked among themselves about it and reported on it.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)This will simmer over the weekend and we will find out soon enough what really happened.
It's not a good look if it turns out to be true.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)and are repeated over and over again ... before reality logs on in the morning.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)It's not like it was a super private meeting or something.
For me it's not a question of what she said but why she chose to use this device.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Who knows but this has been in the media for awhile and I haven't seen a response from the campaign yet.
Granted I'm not looking to hard.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)I posted a satire article on this from gizmodo and they mentioned that they reached out to Hillary for a comment.
I'm willing to wait and see.
H2O Man
(73,536 posts)Calling it a "conspiracy theory" is a weak attempt to dismiss it. Rather than deal with the real issue, all energy is invested in an attempt to discredit those who have spoken about it.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Works like a charm to shut down discussion. What a coincidence!
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)What a coincidence.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Keeping what is said to the rich people who benefit so much from government action secret is undemocratic. Since we don't know what was said, we can't tell if there's anything criminal to worry about.
Here's why I think that there may be something to think about:
The Clintons Have Not Changed: The Clintonian War on the IGs
By William K. Black
February 23, 2016 Bloomington, MN
Secretary Hillary Clinton is asking Democratic voters to believe that she has experienced a Road to Damascus conversion from her roots as a leader of the New Democrats the Wall Street wing of the Democratic Party. When exactly this conversion occurred is never stated, but an interesting fact has emerged that demonstrates it did not occur during her service as the Secretary of State. A Wall Street Journal story provides the key facts, but none of the analysis.
Newly released emails indicate that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and her top staff were involved in the selection process for the State Departments internal watchdog, a position that ultimately went unfilled throughout her four-year tenure.
The WSJs angle is that such involvement in the selection of the Inspector General (IG) is a threat to the IGs vital independence. True, and also true as the story notes that Hillary was far from rare as an agency or department head in seeking to select behind the scenes the supposedly independent IGs.
The function of the IG is to speak truth to power. Naturally, power hates IGs with a purple passion. Government leaders are most likely to hate having its abuses made public by IG when the government leader is secretly acting in concert with immensely powerful private leaders for their mutual benefit at the expense of the public.
What the WSJ missed is that the Clintons, for decades, have sought to destroy the independence and effectiveness of the IGs precisely because of the threat that they pose of blowing the whistle on these abuses. The Obama administration, of course, is famous for its prosecutions of those who blow the whistle on such abuses. The real story is not that Hillary attempted to select a lap dog as IG the real story is that for her entire tenure as Secretary, four years, she left unfilled the leadership position of the only institution in the State Department dedicated to maintaining integrity and preventing the abuse of public power to aid cronies. That aid, of course, comes with the clear expectation that the cronies will make the head of the State Department wealthy as soon as she or he steps down. There is no possible defense for that, and it does not happen accidentally. The primary blame goes to President Obama, who made no nomination for the position for the entire four years. It wasnt Republican intransigence that explains this scandal.
CONTINUED...
http://neweconomicperspectives.org/2016/03/clintons-not-changed-clintonian-war-igs.html#more-10101
Bill Black is one of "those" economists who won't play ball with the money crowd. Why? He does things in the open. Coincidentally, of course.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)IF it occurred, I would agree that it was outrageous conduct ... but, it has yet to be established that anything nefarious occurred.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)You can chose not to believe it. Whatever. Not my business.
http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/video_static_prevents_reporters_from_hearing_what_clinton_20160409
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Autumn
(45,058 posts)where her fund raiser was. I imagine any media person there could have reported it... or not. The local reporter chose to report on it . If it's bothersome to you, and to put your mind at rest look to see who else was there and ask them for verification. Unless one of the other reporters decides to send out a press release saying the reporter is lying, it happened. And that is so Hillary.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)the others reporting on the fundraiser, local and national, don't seem to have been effected.
I suspect they are too busy rolling their eyes ... and probably, now chuckling, to send out such a press release ... unless ... They're are all a part of the conspiracy!
Autumn
(45,058 posts)national MSM to report that there were no weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq and ISIS was not in Iraq before the US invaded them. Nothing yet but hey it could happen some day.
Uncle Joe
(58,354 posts)on television yet either.
I have seen it on a couple of websites by CNN and local television reporting in Arizona.
H2O Man
(73,536 posts)which of the "national reporters" were at the event? It doesn't seem that fund-raisers tend to get much coverage, especially those held in states where the primary/caucus is past.
The fact that no "national reporter" has documented what Hillary said to her friends and associates at Goldman Sachs is not evidence, for example, that she never spoke to them. But if we followed the "logic" posed here, we could certainly conclude that she: (a) threatened to prosecute them for breaking the law; (b) demanded that they return the money they stole from the American public; and (c) has never even heard of Goldman Sachs.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)My msm ...
Autumn
(45,058 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)That could confirm the reporter's story.
Autumn
(45,058 posts)The MSM does that a lot, can't imagine why.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)thesquanderer
(11,986 posts)But so far, it seems only one person claims to have witnessed this, and I don't think one person can qualify as a conspiracy.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)All conspiracy theories start with a single claim and a bunch of "yeps".
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joshcryer
(62,270 posts)This guy was obviously using a shotgun ranged mic with a telephoto lens. It's just as likely one guy picked it up. You can expect more to try this as time goes on to see what's up. Reporters aren't terrible people.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)And came to conclusion white noise is being pumped out to drown out the speech. See how it looks like the White noise is being blended into the sound from the speech video.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)Just looked at it in an audio tool like Adobe audition
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)Or are you just going to reject anything that is said because it will be bad for Clinton?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I would have no idea how I would do that.
No ... I'm just suspect of people that claims something happened that only they saw/experienced though other people were there ... and that make a videos with editorial comments posted to said video to prove their point.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Seems to be a big problem for Clinton supporters.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Does not mean it is a conspiracy theory.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Doesn't mean it's not.
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1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)so many would believe that this reporter reported experiencing something that no one else present experienced ... and the proof of the conspiracy (per the believers) is no one in the MSM has reported on what they didn't experience.
I'm sorry ...
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1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)despite my firm belief that this "static noise machine" meme is beyond ridiculous.
ETA: Nope ... I'm not going to self-delete ... when you are willing to accept/defend craziness as truth, you should expect to be laughed at.
But, take heart ... should the craziness turn out to be true, you get the last laugh.
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grasswire
(50,130 posts)You might say that no one reported. But you can't say truthfully that no one experienced it.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)But I would think that a gaggle of reporters that suddenly got shut out would report on it.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Hillary was certainly telling we lumpenproletariat who she is with that noise machine.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And why was this not covered on the news?
H2O Man
(73,536 posts)In regard to your second question, it would almost seem that the corporate media has an agenda, which dictates the quality of their reporting.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I tend to disbelieve people that claim something happened and only they saw it ... no one else.
Especially when they post a video like the one going around.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)were taken gave his gossip testimony and that was enough. The fact that esteemed photographer Danny Lyon said the photos were of Bernie was discounted in favor of some stuff Jonathan was saying. Capehart's source was a woman who was not there at all either. He and his boosters in media and on DU rejected the actual witnesses and actual records and took up as fact a bunch of crap said by people who were not there, not born, just not valid sources at all.
Consistency is very important when trying to sell a persona. If you happily accept the single sourced gossip of Capehart it is not consistent to then demand that other stories have several sources and specific sorts of sources. 'When it serves me, I'm fine with taking the word of one guy who was not present based on the word of one woman who was also not present. When it does not serve me, I demand multiple verified sources, video and sworn depositions!!!!'
Situational ethics are not really ethics at all.
bigtree
(85,989 posts)...just the usual right-wing suspects like Townhall.
This has to be the most absurd, bizarre charge of the campaign.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)in fact, I suspect the campaign is saying, "Dude, STFU! Don't help me, help the bear!"*
* Old saying regarding help that ain't helping : "If you see me and a bear in a fight, cover my ass with honey and help the bear."
But the scary thing is ... the willingness of some corners of DU to believe this stuff, even to the point of saying the proof of the conspiracy is that the MSM hasn't reported on what they didn't experience.
bigtree
(85,989 posts)...like election.
But, you're right, over 100 recs from folks who likely couldn't identify a 'noise machine' placed in front of them, but willing to believe an uncorroborated and oblique description of one from a lone newsman. I think it's the function of an echo chamber of supporters who haven't been held as accountable as they've rendered Hillary supporters' posts - with punitive hides for 'debunked' charges from the Clinton camp and free passes for unproven and often false accusations from the Sanders contingent here.
The imbalance has emboldened them to talk down to Clinton supporters, questioning their values and integrity while promoting their own as superior and unassailable.
But, yeah, this 'noise machine' accusation is some serious silly-season shite.
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)Just opinions and propaganda . When Sanders wins this it isn't only the banks that need breaking up .
HughLefty1
(231 posts)Almost all of them bought and paid for
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)Vincardog
(20,234 posts)Nudge nudged, wink wink, say nothing more
:IamTouchingMyNose:
H2O Man
(73,536 posts)mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)Somebody with skillz and stuff should take a pdf and apply an airbrush or image randomizer to the text (probably have to convert to bitmap), so that it's unreadable. Then send that out as Hillary releasing her transcripts.
Use a middle finger as a watermark
H2O Man
(73,536 posts)sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)if that is possible.
H2O Man
(73,536 posts)myself noting that and other similarities.
Milestone
(37 posts)better than she does our nations secrets. Kinda scary that.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)What else can one say about what drives her.
Bernie is "About the People." What better contrast can there be?
As the Campaign goes on it...becomes more and more obvious.
As You Say:
Thank you.
H2O Man
(73,536 posts)H2O Man
(73,536 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)She tells BLM that she will only talk to white people. Bill says that BLM is giving comfort to murderers. She says I don't care that people are dying over not being able to cover co-pays. She says that free college is a bad idea cuz rich people might take advantage. She takes money from some of the worst industries as far as environmental abuse goes. She says Iraq was a business opportunity or maybe it was Libya or both doesn't matter bombs for bucks even once is terrible. So what exactly could she have said at that function that would be worse than what we already know?
H2O Man
(73,536 posts)GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)A wall of deflections, propaganda and bogus charges of sexism and misogyny no matter what the actual issue.
H2O Man
(73,536 posts)We see it here on DU:GDP, for that matter.
Time for change
(13,714 posts)Do people really believe that she is getting all that money from multi-millionaires and billionaires and not planning to pay them back in return, at the expense of the rest of us?
H2O Man
(73,536 posts)that many of our friends here have actually made themselves believe what is unbelievable. Indeed, they are willing to accept that which is unacceptable. And they are willing -- no! eager -- to vote for a candidate who represents the very things they would oppose in any other candidate.
Time for change
(13,714 posts)bigtree
(85,989 posts)...and this smells like bull.
Look who's reporting this as fact: Gawker, Daily Mail. Examiner...all the usual suspects.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)H2O Man
(73,536 posts)It would be unacceptable if a republican did it. It reminds me of Mitt's 47% solution.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)And no one taking millions from Wall Street is ever going to do anything about it.
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Help U.S. oh Bernin one
............................................You ARE our only hope for justice
.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Wouldn't that be something?
H2O Man
(73,536 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)This just gets weirder and weirder, still.
H2O Man
(73,536 posts)it also comes into sharper focus.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Since trickle down really meant
"We'll steal it all...pissing on them..and call it trickle down"
As the laughed at U.S. all...too scorn
Oligarchs now know they csn get away with ...ANY thing
Scuba
(53,475 posts)... being pushed by Berniebros. Only the Clinton News Network reports are real; everything else is just lies made up by women haters.
If Walter Cronkite hasn't reported on it, there's no way it actually happened. Life is simpler this way.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Was a tool.....too
Scuba
(53,475 posts)The media's total dismissal of Jack Ruby killing Lee Harvey Oswald being a conspiracy was a real eye-opener. They never touched it but instead went with the "Ruby wanted to save Jackie the anguish of a trial" bullshit.
After that, Gulf of Tonkin smelled from the get-go.
The heaviest restriction upon the freedom of public opinion is not the official censorship of a press, but the unofficial censorship by a press which exists not so much to express opinion as to manufacture it.
Dorothy L. Sayers
1893-1957
British writer, essayist, playwright and translator.
H2O Man
(73,536 posts)to say that if you believe the media, you'll be carrying an umbrella on a sunny day, and getting soaked on a rainy day. I figure the public has been soaked by the media for some time.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)We are the real news networks
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)H2O Man
(73,536 posts)(Just got in from today's "door-to-door" campaigning.)
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Bad Thoughts
(2,522 posts)She and her husband produce insubstantial speech that lacks meaning and solidity designed to misinform allies, ingratiate themselves to donors, and put down progressives. It is a style that destabilizes American political rhetoric.
H2O Man
(73,536 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)If one can't share the message with everybody, there is something of special interest to the special interests.
Great post, H2O Man.
Two of my cousins and I put some more hours in going door-to-door today. The people we encountered all had one thing in common: they want real change in our nation. We covered a neighborhood that combines "low income" and "student" housing.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Maybe she learned a lesson from Mitt Romney's damaging "47 percent" comment to his "wealthy contributors only"?
Bet Mitt wishes he had the foresight to use a noise machine at this event with his wealthy contributors:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/secret-video-romney-private-fundraiser
H2O Man
(73,536 posts)It reminded me of Willard Romney's 47% solution, too.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Can't let the peons hear what the Masters of the Universe think of them.
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)I know that whenever she babbles on, all I can hear is static.
H2O Man
(73,536 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)H2O Man
(73,536 posts)The Vatican "controversy" is rather amusing.
JEB
(4,748 posts)H2O Man
(73,536 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Last edited Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:10 AM - Edit history (1)
H2O Man
(73,536 posts)Yet some of our friends here are okay with it.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)sounds of our reptilian overlords which are inaudible to the human ear.
Maybe.
H2O Man
(73,536 posts)It might have been the echo of Mitt's 47% comment.