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Zorro

(15,724 posts)
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 10:00 AM Apr 2013

Truth Behind Gospel of Judas Revealed in Ancient Inks

A long-lost gospel that casts Judas as a co-conspirator of Jesus, rather than a betrayer, was ruled most likely authentic in 2006. Now, scientists reveal they couldn't have made the call without a series of far more mundane documents, including Ancient Egyptian marriage licenses and property contracts.

The Gospel of Judas is a fragmented Coptic (Egyptian)-language text that portrays Judas in a far more sympathetic light than did the gospels that made it into the Bible. In this version of the story, Judas turns Jesus over to the authorities for execution upon Jesus' request, as part of a plan to release his spirit from his body. In the accepted biblical version of the tale, Judas betrays Jesus for 30 pieces of silver.

As part of a 2006 National Geographic Society (the Society) investigation of the document, microscopist Joseph Barabe of McCrone Associates in Illinois and a team of researchers analyzed the ink on the tattered gospel to find out if it was real or forged. Some of the chemicals in the ink raised red flags — until Barabe and his colleagues found, at the Louvre Museum, a study of Egyptian documents from the third century A.D., the same time period of the Gospal of Judas.

"What the French study told us is that ink technology was undergoing a transition," Barabe told LiveScience. The Gospel of Judas' odd ink suddenly fit into place.

http://news.yahoo.com/truth-behind-gospel-judas-revealed-ancient-inks-153710758.html

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Truth Behind Gospel of Judas Revealed in Ancient Inks (Original Post) Zorro Apr 2013 OP
Wow, that sure changes a lot. But gee we all know the bible is never wrong, right? southernyankeebelle Apr 2013 #1
Not really. This shows the date of about 250 years after Jesus is said to have died is correct muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #3
True. Then again I'm not much on the bible. After all it's a story book written southernyankeebelle Apr 2013 #4
I mean I have a hard time with the whale and Noah being inside of the whale. it wasnt a whale it was leftyohiolib Apr 2013 #5
LOL, ok that makes it better. southernyankeebelle Apr 2013 #6
And it was Jonah, not Noah Warpy Apr 2013 #10
Noahs Ark and the Ark of the Covenant remains major ufo HereSince1628 Apr 2013 #11
Would make a damn good movie. DetlefK Apr 2013 #2
Well back then the men didn't want to believe Mary maybe because she was a woman southernyankeebelle Apr 2013 #7
i never understood why judas was so hated as a traitor when he was fullfilling gods plan for jesus leftyohiolib Apr 2013 #8
watch Last Temptation of Christ Soylent Brice Apr 2013 #12
Read Lamb, by Christopher Moore sir pball Apr 2013 #14
I Doubt the Author Had Any Special Knowledge About Judas On the Road Apr 2013 #9
That story always made perfect logical sense to me sir pball Apr 2013 #13
God originally wanted Shankapotomus Apr 2013 #15
Damn, did that dude get a bum rap. n/t Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2013 #16
This is why Constantine burned the Gnostic Gospels !! RagAss Apr 2013 #17
The actual conclusion should be that if it is a fake, it is a well done fake. dimbear Apr 2013 #18
 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
1. Wow, that sure changes a lot. But gee we all know the bible is never wrong, right?
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 10:06 AM
Apr 2013

Huh, gosh I bet the bible thumpers are really pissed.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,271 posts)
3. Not really. This shows the date of about 250 years after Jesus is said to have died is correct
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 10:35 AM
Apr 2013

So this is the equivalent of someone writing something today about an event in 1763. It shows us what some people believed in 280AD, but not what actually happened in 30AD.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
4. True. Then again I'm not much on the bible. After all it's a story book written
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 11:22 AM
Apr 2013

by man handed down. I mean I have a hard time with the whale and Noah being inside of the whale. I mean I do believe in miracles like curing blind people or leppars. But as a catholic I don't ever remember us studying the bible deepily.

 

leftyohiolib

(5,917 posts)
5. I mean I have a hard time with the whale and Noah being inside of the whale. it wasnt a whale it was
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 11:57 AM
Apr 2013

a ufo-

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
2. Would make a damn good movie.
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 10:21 AM
Apr 2013

The historical Jesus, a dark-skinned, peace-loving cult-leader praying love, humility and poverty.
A shifty dude, Judas Iscariot, and somehow only Jesus sees that he's a fine guy.

And then the end, when Jesus realizes that his death at the hand of Romans is the only way to fulfill his fate.
"Others will call you traitor. I call you friend."
Then Judas goes to the Roman authorities and offers them to sell out Jesus.
His suicide by hanging? He was strangled by other followers of Jesus and left hanging from a tree.

Only one further person knew the truth, and he (she? Maria Magdalena, to throw in a good female role?) did not speak out for it was the last wish of Jesus.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
7. Well back then the men didn't want to believe Mary maybe because she was a woman
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 12:23 PM
Apr 2013

and the Apostles surely wouldn't think Jesus would send her to them to tell them "he'ssssss back".

On the Road

(20,783 posts)
9. I Doubt the Author Had Any Special Knowledge About Judas
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 03:39 PM
Apr 2013

but I do suspect he was a loyal ally of Jesus rather than a traitor. It has been suggested that he was Jesus' brother, perhaps his twin brother. The accounts in the gospels seem to have been written to minimize or discredit the side of the early church led by Jesus' family. If Thomas is the Author of the Epistle of Jude, he was a stern moralist could create beautiful imagery.

sir pball

(4,737 posts)
13. That story always made perfect logical sense to me
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 11:53 AM
Apr 2013

Since Jesus was sent here* with the express purpose of dying to atone for our sins - he knew and expected it, if not outright planning it himself. And on a larger scale, since his death was our "cleansing", efforts to stop it were efforts against our salvation; aiding in his sacrifice would have been an act of importance second only to his crucifixion. You can irk the hell out of intelligent Xtians with that line of reasoning

* - In the story, not in my beliefs

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
15. God originally wanted
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 07:47 PM
Apr 2013

the first version of the Judas sub-plot but his publishers were set dead against it. They wanted a more dramatic ending to Judas and it seemed to be the version everyone liked best.

dimbear

(6,271 posts)
18. The actual conclusion should be that if it is a fake, it is a well done fake.
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 08:26 PM
Apr 2013

Not that it is 'certainly' genuine.

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