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Behind the Aegis

(53,833 posts)
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 12:30 AM Sep 2020

(Jewish Group) Jews who attack liberals as 'bad Jews' are not keeping the Torah

Last week a Trump supporter said to me on air, “Orthodox Jews are more likely to support Trump because liberal Jews tend to be less affiliated and less knowledgeable about Judaism.”

This was not the first time I heard this particular talking point – as Vice Chair for Media and Policy of Democrats Abroad Israel, I’ve been opposite Trumpists enough to hear pretty much everything – but this was eye-popping nonetheless.

The arrogance was astounding. I mean, only Trump supporters, with their insatiable appetite for rhetorical twists, emotional manipulations, and gross attacks on entire populations intended to crush anyone not like them can so easily dismiss 79% of American Jews as simply ignorant.

In this case, it was also a wild personal attack on me, the “liberal” on the panel, who was swiftly labeled as a bad Jew. Much the way Trump tweeted last August that ““If you want to vote Democrat, you are being very disloyal to Jewish people and very disloyal to Israel.”

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Interesting tactic.

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(Jewish Group) Jews who attack liberals as 'bad Jews' are not keeping the Torah (Original Post) Behind the Aegis Sep 2020 OP
At least 80% of American Jews will be voting Democratic and for Biden/Harris. The argument still_one Sep 2020 #1
No True Scotsman MosheFeingold Sep 2020 #3
I am saying that is similar logic lou holtz from Norte Dame was using against still_one Sep 2020 #4
I agree with you MosheFeingold Sep 2020 #5
I appreciate the definition Moshe. Never heard the term "no true Scotsman" argument before still_one Sep 2020 #6
Problem here MosheFeingold Sep 2020 #7
Well MosheFeingold Sep 2020 #2

still_one

(91,965 posts)
1. At least 80% of American Jews will be voting Democratic and for Biden/Harris. The argument
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 12:38 AM
Sep 2020

they are presenting sounds like what Lou Holtz was saying about Joe Biden not being a "real Catholic"

I would challenge them with the example of Stephen Miller, whose own family refers to him as a bigot and a hypocrite.

still_one

(91,965 posts)
4. I am saying that is similar logic lou holtz from Norte Dame was using against
Wed Sep 2, 2020, 01:14 PM
Sep 2020

Last edited Wed Sep 2, 2020, 01:44 PM - Edit history (1)

Biden by saying he was a bad Catholic

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
5. I agree with you
Wed Sep 2, 2020, 01:41 PM
Sep 2020

The type of fallacious argument being used is called a “no true Scotsman” argument.

still_one

(91,965 posts)
6. I appreciate the definition Moshe. Never heard the term "no true Scotsman" argument before
Wed Sep 2, 2020, 01:44 PM
Sep 2020

so I learned something from you. Thank-you



MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
7. Problem here
Wed Sep 2, 2020, 03:43 PM
Sep 2020

Is now you will hear "no true Scotsman" allegations all the time.

And no true Democrat would allow such a fallacy to pass unchallenged! (Ha!)

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
2. Well
Wed Sep 2, 2020, 12:50 PM
Sep 2020

Don't go to an Orthodox Shul.

Because that's pretty much the thinking. I just bite my tongue.

I think as the antisemitic "white shoe" Republicans (e.g., Judge Smalls from Caddy Shack -- James "fuck the Jews, they don't vote for us anyone" Baker) die off with the Bush Dynasty coming to an end more and more orthodox/conservative (religious here, not political) Jews and secular entrepreneurial/business type Jews will be more comfortable in the Republican Party.

Taxes, affirmative action (which has always angered me, but I put up with it), Israel and -- strangely -- tolerance of seriously religious people (regardless of faith) are strong points for the Republican Party and lots of Jewish people. So there is going to be a shift.

The shift is going to get accelerated because of our weakness in rejecting the antisemitic voices (Tlaib, Sarsour, Occupy Wall Street -- and even radical elements in ANTIFA/BLM) on our side.

tRump is so foul and stupid a human, he should slow it down a bit, but the move is going to happen.

If nothing else, simply by birthrate of Orthodox vs. everyone else. I've got 36 grandchildren, for example.

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