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muriel_volestrangler

(101,306 posts) Wed Apr 10, 2013, 08:32 AM Apr 2013

Russian MPs back harsher anti-blasphemy law

Russian MPs have given initial approval to an anti-blasphemy law with tougher jail terms or fines for anyone found guilty of offending religious feelings.

The bill was drafted last year after the punk band Pussy Riot performed a protest song against President Vladimir Putin in Moscow's main cathedral.
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The bill says blasphemy could incur up to three years in jail or a fine of up to 300,000 roubles ($9,700;£6,300).
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Russian commentators say the bill appears to have strong backing from Mr Putin. It was passed by the Duma - Russia's lower house - in a first reading on Tuesday.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22090308

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Russian MPs back harsher anti-blasphemy law (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 OP

From Czarist Russia to life under Stalinism to the current day... trotsky Apr 2013 #1

Exactly LeftishBrit Apr 2013 #8

"offending religious feelings" Another elastic clause, good for jailing anybody anytime. DetlefK Apr 2013 #2

Yep. darkangel218 Apr 2013 #3

It appears to be framed as a hate crime. rug Apr 2013 #4

Do go on. 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2013 #5

Do you know what a hate crime is? rug Apr 2013 #9

Yes. It's a common crime, aggravated with hate. 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2013 #10

Motivated by hatred, not aggravated by hatred. rug Apr 2013 #11

Yeah, and? 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2013 #12

And there's a big difference. rug Apr 2013 #13

In what way does that relate to the OP? 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2013 #14

#4. rug Apr 2013 #15

Are you a NASCAR driver perchance? 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2013 #16

Just ridiculous! hrmjustin Apr 2013 #6

almost stereotypical russian history.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #7

trotsky

(49,533 posts)

1. From Czarist Russia to life under Stalinism to the current day...

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2013, 08:56 AM

Apr 2013

some things don't change.

LeftishBrit

(41,205 posts)

8. Exactly

Reply to trotsky (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 11, 2013, 04:00 AM

Apr 2013

The 'religions' may have changed from Russian Orthodoxy to Emperor Worship and back again; but the anti-democratic principles haven't.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)

2. "offending religious feelings" Another elastic clause, good for jailing anybody anytime.

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2013, 09:17 AM

Apr 2013

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)

3. Yep.

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2013, 09:31 AM

Apr 2013

The kingdom wants its slaves back. And what better way than coming up with this kind of laws...

Jesus Christ..

rug

(82,333 posts)

4. It appears to be framed as a hate crime.

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2013, 10:02 AM

Apr 2013

2ndAmForComputers

(3,527 posts)

5. Do go on.

Reply to rug (Reply #4)

Wed Apr 10, 2013, 11:16 PM

Apr 2013

rug

(82,333 posts)

9. Do you know what a hate crime is?

Reply to 2ndAmForComputers (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 11, 2013, 07:29 AM

Apr 2013

2ndAmForComputers

(3,527 posts)

10. Yes. It's a common crime, aggravated with hate.

Reply to rug (Reply #9)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 07:12 PM

Apr 2013

Murdering someone to grab his wallet: not a hate crime.
Murdering someone because he's black: hate crime.

Do go on.

rug

(82,333 posts)

11. Motivated by hatred, not aggravated by hatred.

Reply to 2ndAmForComputers (Reply #10)

Mon Apr 15, 2013, 10:41 AM

Apr 2013

2ndAmForComputers

(3,527 posts)

12. Yeah, and?

Reply to rug (Reply #11)

Mon Apr 15, 2013, 04:33 PM

Apr 2013

rug

(82,333 posts)

13. And there's a big difference.

Reply to 2ndAmForComputers (Reply #12)

Mon Apr 15, 2013, 04:52 PM

Apr 2013

2ndAmForComputers

(3,527 posts)

14. In what way does that relate to the OP?

Reply to rug (Reply #13)

Mon Apr 15, 2013, 05:13 PM

Apr 2013

rug

(82,333 posts)

15. #4.

Reply to 2ndAmForComputers (Reply #14)

Mon Apr 15, 2013, 05:28 PM

Apr 2013

The circle is completed.

2ndAmForComputers

(3,527 posts)

16. Are you a NASCAR driver perchance?

Reply to rug (Reply #15)

Mon Apr 15, 2013, 06:53 PM

Apr 2013

Coz you sure like going around in circles.

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)

6. Just ridiculous!

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2013, 11:39 PM

Apr 2013

So much for freedom of speech, but then again they never really had it there. I wonder what the Russian Church will say on this. IMO the Russian Church embarrassed itself by associating with Putin in the first place.

Phillip McCleod

(1,837 posts)

7. almost stereotypical russian history..

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Thu Apr 11, 2013, 12:47 AM

Apr 2013

..from one extreme to another.

lenin was what.. 1/2 mongolion? and they ruled russia longer than the czars. we will never understand them and the complexities of their history like we think we do, and i doubt they will ever really grok us either.

russia is the 'texas' of nations. it's big, self-absorbed, weird, and polarized.

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