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Related: About this forumChristianity As State Religion Supported By One-Third Of Americans, Poll Finds
Cross post from LBN
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014446384
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/06/christianity-state-religion_n_3022255.html
But yeah...those fundamentalists are just a teensy little minority and anyone trying to expose their theocratic agenda is just "broadbrushing"
struggle4progress
(118,038 posts)Survey for National Geographic finds extraterrestrial visits not that crazy an idea to most Americans
By Seth Cline
June 28, 2012
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)support or advocate changes in the law that would be clearly unconstitutional, in order to promote and support their belief in extraterrestrial visits?
Oh... right...that would be ZERO. Nice job at missing the point..again. But you sure do use Google good!
struggle4progress
(118,038 posts)Many Americans seem to me poorly informed, and quite a few really don't think carefully about any policy matters whatsoever. About half of those eligible won't even vote. I'm more concerned by what folk do than by what they say they think, and silly knee-jerk reactions to polls concern me much less than organized activity
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)believers, just like what you demonstrate here and in many of your posts where you dismiss the activities of religious extremists as inconsequential who are in positions of power and influence, especially in our government.
Until liberal believers start recognizing the damage these zealots are doing and stand up for a strict separation of church and state, we are in serious danger of having religious beliefs forced on us all through the law.
Be part of the solution, not the problem. Stop giving credence and legitimacy to the religious extremists through your dismissal of concerns by non-believers and believers who share the idea that religion should have no place in public policy. Please.
struggle4progress
(118,038 posts)that would have paved the way for establishing an official state religion." Unsurprisingly, that sentence is not entirely accurate: what actually happened was that the bill was sent Tuesday 2 April to the Committee On Rules, Calendar, and Operations of the House; and shortly afterwards, the Republican leadership said the bill was dead
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/wp/2013/04/04/a-state-religion-whats-next-north-carolina-secession/
A state religion? Whats next, North Carolina, secession?
Posted by Mary C. Curtis on April 4, 2013 at 9:31 am
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/05/north-carolina-lawmaker-backtracks-on-push-to-allow-state-religion/
North Carolina lawmaker backtracks on push to allow state religion
Published April 05, 2013
FoxNews.com
You're whacking a dead monkey
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Being on DU and all, the right wingers never give up, they tried it here, they are going to do it again, and again, all over the country, this was a very brazen attempt, but the mere fact that US politicians, sworn to uphold the constitution are bringing up bills like this shows their agenda.
struggle4progress
(118,038 posts)Oh, but by all means! let's all keep whacking dead monkeys!
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)From which I will infer that even you realize that your post was a bogus analogy and a rather silly and transparent distraction from the real issue.
eppur_se_muova
(36,227 posts)And if so, has the survey been adjusted for double-counting ?
(Before you can ask, Alien Jesus is already the name of a band)
struggle4progress
(118,038 posts)Meshuga
(6,182 posts)34% is a big chunk. Surprising to me but that is probably because I live in the liberal bubble in Montgomery County Maryland.
okasha
(11,573 posts)I wonder, though, how many don't realize this is a Constitutonal issue at all, but think it's rather like having a state bird. That's even scarier.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)The government must always be secular.
struggle4progress
(118,038 posts)June 16, 2005
Little change from similar results in 2001
by David W. Moore
GALLUP NEWS SERVICE
PRINCETON, NJ -- About three in four Americans profess at least one paranormal belief, according to a recent Gallup survey. The most popular is extrasensory perception (ESP), mentioned by 41%, followed closely by belief in haunted houses (37%)...
http://www.gallup.com/poll/16915/three-four-americans-believe-paranormal.aspx
Ron Obvious
(6,261 posts)If you include belief in God as a paranormal belief, the number would be about 90%. For some reason that particular belief gets special status, though.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)And thanks for missing the point a second time
trotsky
(49,533 posts)in trying to distract from the point. Googlicious!
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Fortunately for me, and others who think like me on this issue, believers and nonbelievers alike, it is a minority. I hope that minority shrinks over the next few years.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)(one more than the other, of course, but it's not exclusive) catering to its primitive religious beliefs. They should not be lightly dismissed.
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)controlling the masses, preserving my fortune and having my interest catered to above all else, I would really have to support the influence of the current forms of belief in higher-order abstractions.
It is by those means I can create elaborate facades that allow me to assume a higher moral authority based on the implication that my lot in life and power are all directly given to me by the great Sky God(tm) or whatever symbolic representation can be used to reify a belief and support for my position.
Real education and true spiritual convictions that are based on utilizing the mind to investigate and expand its horizons are antithetical to the manufacture of consent and the utilization of advertising and propaganda to impose a false morality and confused form of ethics on large numbers of people. This method is preferable to using bullets and batons because it yields the most profit and compliance in the long-run.
A theocracy with a technical foundation would provide the ultimate means of control and obedience which would then translate into more power and wealth for the more evolved amongst us who not only understand how this works, but are able to manipulate it expertly to our own benefit and in our own self interests.
Please continue as programmed.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Iggo
(47,487 posts)WOW!!!
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)that's fine with me. It's when they see nothing wrong with inflicting it unwelcomly on others that the problems arise...
rug
(82,333 posts)Slender support for the headline.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)The page you linked to shows that 34% of the people polled "favor" or "strongly favor" "establishing Christianity as the official state religion in your state", and 32% of the people polled "favor" or "strongly favor" "a Constitutional amendment which would make Christianity the official religion of the United States"
That's not remotely like what the headline says.
Oh..wait....
rug
(82,333 posts)let alone your eager extrapolations.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)That's what polls are...extrapolations. And not mine.
Is that really all you have? Do you really have a deeply rooted emotional need for this not to be true? Apologetics must be slow tonight.
rug
(82,333 posts)This is one of the weaker polls I've seen, particularly in the wording, not to mention the unknown demographic sample.
And the extrapolation refers to your conclusions in your OP. I really hope you have more than this to justify your alarm.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)And the demographic sample is not unknown...YOU just don't know it. And the questions are no worse than for many other polls I've seen, and they are in line with what the headline stated, so you have no complaints there (not that that's ever stopped you before).
Do you have ANY evidence that the results of this poll must be wildly different from what it reported, or wildly divergent from the margin of error reported? No, you don't. Just your deluded wish that it be so.
rug
(82,333 posts)get a new adjective before your name.
I repeat: it's slim evidence for what you so fervidly wish were true. If it's not true, you'll have to re-evaluate your whole shtick.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)that 1/3 of Americans wanted a state religion, then your post might have some validity. But it didn't, and neither did I, so your post is pretty much invented apologetic horseshit.
Try again.
rug
(82,333 posts)Thanks for clearing that up.
Phillip McCleod
(1,837 posts)..a couple few hundred smaller than Pew uses, but not bad. Similar to a news org. Should give a moe of about +- 4% .. about a third.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)He desperately needs it to be about 5%, not 34%, and will grasp at any ignorant straw to get there..
edhopper
(33,192 posts)Gone too far in keeping religion and government separate . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 37%
Establishing a State Religion is a long shot.
But blurring the lines, which the majority of Republicans want to do, is ongoing and dangerous.