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Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 06:29 AM Jul 2016

Two more black men cut down in 48 hours. Curse red America's lethal fascination with firearms,

curse racist, roided-up cops, curse a cruel and inequitable system of justice. Curse them all to hell.





Soulless...gratuitous cruelty bears witness to a soulless self or state.

I'm in constant and genuine admiration before the sangfroid and sanity exhibited by our AA brothers and sisters in the midst of this murderous maelstrom.

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Two more black men cut down in 48 hours. Curse red America's lethal fascination with firearms, (Original Post) Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 OP
Take guns away from all cops safeinOhio Jul 2016 #1
As evidenced by Great Britain's bobbies. TAKE AWAY THEIR GUNS...YES! Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #2
I don't even know man. forjusticethunders Jul 2016 #3
Are you AA? How do you find the courage to go out in public in the present Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #4
Yep Im AA forjusticethunders Jul 2016 #7
I have tears in my eyes as I type this...all I can say is that you Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #8
Minnesota is red? bluestateguy Jul 2016 #5
You won't see the NBA speak up on this one. psychmommy Jul 2016 #6
Sorry? NBA or NRA? If you mean the NRA, I agree. They won't touch this. Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #10
Why should they? Marengo Jul 2016 #25
The cause célèbre of the NRA and the RW is "due process". Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #26
He doesn't appear to have been a legal gun owner which is most likely why. Marengo Jul 2016 #29
Wrong. He was licensed to carry. brush Jul 2016 #32
I was thinking of the Sterling shooting. Too many it seems, I'm losing track. Marengo Jul 2016 #38
hahaha i did mean NRA. psychmommy Jul 2016 #35
No, but the cop's brain is. That was just my point--millions of red-minded Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #9
A lot of the problem with Police is agressive training by private firms like 'Blasckwater.' PeoViejo Jul 2016 #12
Actually, that disaster is being played out in our streets right now. Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #13
And roid rage. brush Jul 2016 #33
Gotta bulk-up PeoViejo Jul 2016 #50
Not PTSD heaven05 Jul 2016 #39
I feel the second amendment is largely interpreted as for whites only AllyCat Jul 2016 #15
K&R betsuni Jul 2016 #11
I do not remember police brutality being this lethal AllyCat Jul 2016 #14
I don't either. Or, has this been going on since forever, just NOT on YouTube? Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #16
I've been AA for 57 years Voltaire Jul 2016 #17
I am horrified Voltaire. I'm sorry I have been asleep and am only AllyCat Jul 2016 #19
Voltaire, when I read things like your post, and Malaise's in another thread, I despair. Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #21
68 years here heaven05 Jul 2016 #40
It's nothing new. The larger society just always took the side of the cops. Cell phone videos . . . brush Jul 2016 #34
If you can handle it and are on Facebook JustAnotherGen Jul 2016 #18
Sorry, don't do facebook. Can you get some screen caps and post them here? If that's feasible... Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #20
I just watched it... You're better off not seeing it. Glassunion Jul 2016 #22
Okay, I'll pass. Your graphic description is quite enough. Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #24
Can't from this device JustAnotherGen Jul 2016 #31
Thank you, JAG. Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #36
and Republicans are holding a hearing on nonsense today rbrnmw Jul 2016 #23
The really bad thing is that so many cities are hiring people that really, really want to be cops tonyt53 Jul 2016 #27
Recruiting and screening practices need to be radically revised. Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #30
Agree with all above comments. ciaobaby Jul 2016 #28
I expect BHO to become much more outspoken in his advocacy for Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #37
yeah they will heaven05 Jul 2016 #41
Insane, they've become certifiably insane... Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #44
Well said, Surya~ Mahalo~ Cha Jul 2016 #42
Cha! Goddamn, these pics just rip me apart. And, now the Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #45
I know they're so heartbreaking, Surya.. Cha Jul 2016 #47
+1 lovemydog Jul 2016 #43
As you can see upthread, the "gun enthusiasts" tried to argue Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #46
Yup. I do give thanks every day for folks lovemydog Jul 2016 #48
Yes! It's a brown, brown world, and the sooner humanity comes to Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #49
how many heaven05 Jul 2016 #51

safeinOhio

(32,531 posts)
1. Take guns away from all cops
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 06:38 AM
Jul 2016

until our representatives can figure out, what the hell is going on. Unarmed cops are polite cops.

 

forjusticethunders

(1,151 posts)
3. I don't even know man.
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 06:49 AM
Jul 2016

I was held at gunpoint by cops and I wasn't even involved in whatever it was they were trying to do. I'm pretty lucky to be here still. I think a lot of them are being driven by the same thing that's driving Trump votes.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
4. Are you AA? How do you find the courage to go out in public in the present
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 06:54 AM
Jul 2016

atmosphere? Murder runs riot in the streets and you find the strength to face it down.

It is an act of inestimable bravery just to step out into a society that considers you as potential targets.

I am genuinely humbled.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
8. I have tears in my eyes as I type this...all I can say is that you
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 07:25 AM
Jul 2016

have my sincere and humble admiration.

We can only fight this battle together with linked arms and in total solidarity.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
5. Minnesota is red?
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 07:04 AM
Jul 2016

Actually in that case, it was the policeman NOT respecting the right of a black man to bear arms.

psychmommy

(1,739 posts)
6. You won't see the NBA speak up on this one.
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 07:10 AM
Jul 2016

Heads would explode if the militia folks could even receive that, lol.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
26. The cause célèbre of the NRA and the RW is "due process".
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 11:57 AM
Jul 2016

You'd think they'd jump on these cases of extra-judicial execution of gun owners.

Hum, why aren't they rushing to question this gross miscarriage of justice?

What's keeping them silent? I wonder...

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
29. He doesn't appear to have been a legal gun owner which is most likely why.
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:10 PM
Jul 2016

I'm the first to oppose lifetime bans on gun ownership based on felony convictions, but I doubt most of the RKBA orgs share that view.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
9. No, but the cop's brain is. That was just my point--millions of red-minded
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 07:28 AM
Jul 2016

people reside in blue states (MN for starters.)

 

PeoViejo

(2,178 posts)
12. A lot of the problem with Police is agressive training by private firms like 'Blasckwater.'
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 07:41 AM
Jul 2016

They train police like they are operating in Iraq or Afghanistan. Many of the Police are combat veterans and act accordingly. Then you add PTSD and other emotional problems. It's a disaster waiting to happen.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
13. Actually, that disaster is being played out in our streets right now.
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 07:45 AM
Jul 2016

We are seeing, in real time, the murderous effect of militarizing our police.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
39. Not PTSD
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 11:02 PM
Jul 2016

hate of black people is the driving force that has emboldened them and has been been encouraged by their fuhrer running for POTUS as a republican. NO DOUBT IN MY MIND. The rising tide of racial hate in this country makes me understand what the Jewish people must have felt at the ascension of Hitler to chancellor of germany. The brown and blue shirts of trump are already on the march. They will not be meeting a person here who will fear them. I detest a cowardly racist hiding behind a badge or a presidential nominee.

AllyCat

(16,036 posts)
14. I do not remember police brutality being this lethal
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 09:10 AM
Jul 2016

We've been hearing it for decades. But the cold-blooded killing seems new. Am I just now paying attention? Has it always been this way for AAs? I'm horrified at what is happening and want to know what to do.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
16. I don't either. Or, has this been going on since forever, just NOT on YouTube?
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 09:30 AM
Jul 2016

Take an increasingly militarized police force, add more and more guns, plus a dangerously charged, racist environment, and you've got a recipe for mayhem and murder.

Voltaire

(2,639 posts)
17. I've been AA for 57 years
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 09:40 AM
Jul 2016

And I can tell you that not only has it always been this way, it will always BE this way. I am convinced that America is incapable of change when it comes to citizens who are not white.

AllyCat

(16,036 posts)
19. I am horrified Voltaire. I'm sorry I have been asleep and am only
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 09:45 AM
Jul 2016

Now starting to see. I want to make it better and don't know how.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
21. Voltaire, when I read things like your post, and Malaise's in another thread, I despair.
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 09:55 AM
Jul 2016

Does it always have to be like this? The under- 30s are cause for a little optimism, no? They don't see color the way their elders do.

Tell me there's reason to hope?

brush

(53,474 posts)
34. It's nothing new. The larger society just always took the side of the cops. Cell phone videos . . .
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:53 PM
Jul 2016

is what's new. Now the larger society can see what the cops , the racist, murdering ones, not all, have been getting away with for forever.

JustAnotherGen

(31,683 posts)
18. If you can handle it and are on Facebook
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 09:41 AM
Jul 2016

Go to Tim Wise's page.

He has a link linking to 'Eve' -

It becomes VERY clear in that video that -

Cop #1 - What did you do that for man?

Cop #2 (Shooter) - It seemed like he shot fire , so I shot fire . . . FUCK!


So Cop #1 asks Cop #2 why he did that?

I hope Cop #1 turns against him and saves himself.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
20. Sorry, don't do facebook. Can you get some screen caps and post them here? If that's feasible...
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 09:50 AM
Jul 2016

One thing you can bet on--they'll be trying to save each other's asses.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
22. I just watched it... You're better off not seeing it.
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 10:53 AM
Jul 2016

Two cops on top of him, one with gun drawn and pretty much pressed up against his chest.

You then see the shooter fire several times, and then you get to watch Alton die as blood pools up on his chest.

You can't un-see that, and I wouldn't recommend it.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
27. The really bad thing is that so many cities are hiring people that really, really want to be cops
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:00 PM
Jul 2016

They want to carry guns and have power over others. Those people are the worst choice as cops. You rarely ever hear of any state policeman doing these types of things. Sometimes we do, but rarely. The screening process used for those positions weeds out the people I first described.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
30. Recruiting and screening practices need to be radically revised.
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:12 PM
Jul 2016

Aggressive personality tendencies and certainly PTSD should be immediate reason for elimination.

 

ciaobaby

(1,000 posts)
28. Agree with all above comments.
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:05 PM
Jul 2016

Waiting patiently for Obama to acknowledge to need to address this epidemic of police openly murdering AA's with little or no ramifications, other than being put on "administrative" leave, i.e. vacation.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
37. I expect BHO to become much more outspoken in his advocacy for
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 01:48 PM
Jul 2016

the AA community once he's a free agent.

Every time he's tried to express his outrage and grief at the present situation, he's been excoriated by the rabid right for being partisan and "playing the race card".

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
41. yeah they will
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 11:19 PM
Jul 2016

just paint him as the fearful "angry black man". Something he has not shown to these clowns in america who were hoping to debase his character and integrity by labeling his actions as thuggish or worse. America sucks sometimes and lately, for me, all the time. It was created by white people for white people and white people are trying and have tried their best, for generations, by murder and worse, at all levels of society, to hold on to that legacy. America will never be rid of it's slavery, segregationist and racist past, present and future.

Fear of PoC is driving a lot of these clowns crazy.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
44. Insane, they've become certifiably insane...
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:56 AM
Jul 2016
Fear of PoC is driving a lot of these clowns crazy.


And, the fearless, righteous Obama is there in the middle of the mad melée, trying to walk a fine line and be the "President" to all Americans.

He is a one-man profile in courage and fortitude.

I've never admired a public figure so much.

Cha

(295,915 posts)
42. Well said, Surya~ Mahalo~
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 02:50 AM
Jul 2016
We Should Not Have To Jump Through Hoops To Prove That Black Lives Matter




Philando Castile and Alton Sterling~
11:12 PM - 6 Jul 2016
5,863 retweets 4,404 likes

https://theobamadiary.com/2016/07/07/we-should-not-have-to-jump-through-hoops-to-prove-that-black-lives-matter/

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
45. Cha! Goddamn, these pics just rip me apart. And, now the
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 07:01 AM
Jul 2016

Last edited Fri Jul 8, 2016, 07:47 AM - Edit history (1)

new outrage in Dallas.

Trump and his racist, concealed-carry rabble have a lot to answer for.

If his public incitement to riot continues, I question whether the center can hold.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
43. +1
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 03:26 AM
Jul 2016

I posted about this in general discussion in the afternoon. A few recs, no replies. Posted about it again this morning. No replies.

Everyone's busy posting about what's on television now - the shooting in Dallas. Dozens of new threads full of inane speculation.

I abhor all violence. My heart goes out to the families & loved ones of those murdered in Dallas. But it saddens me that most here get so entranced with whatever is the ongoing story that it seems like they forget all the pain and sorrow of the families of unarmed victims killed by police.

Dozens upon dozens this year and every year previous.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
46. As you can see upthread, the "gun enthusiasts" tried to argue
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 07:12 AM
Jul 2016

that America's predominantly white, gun-loving culture has nothing to do with the present climate of murderous violence against the AA and other ethnic minorities.

Ignorant, armed racists can and will do serious damage, whether they're wearing a badge or not. How hard is that to understand?

This is the kind of cognitive dissonance we're up against.

I too am in despair today.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
48. Yup. I do give thanks every day for folks
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 07:31 AM
Jul 2016

like you and others here who are aware of sensitive to these matters. As someone mentioned in another thread here, I read other parts of DU for entertainment & often bemusement. This is where my friends are and we always have good discussions.

I'm taking my girlfriend to surgery this morning. She's mixed race (as I think so many people are not only here in the USA but all over the whole wide world). So I'll be praying for her and for peace all throughout the day. Take care. There are many many good people out there!

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
49. Yes! It's a brown, brown world, and the sooner humanity comes to
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 07:41 AM
Jul 2016

terms with that reality, the happier and healthier we'll all be. I live in France, and it too is getting browner by the day.

She's mixed race (as I think so many people are not only here in the USA but all over the whole wide world).


Best of luck to your GF, love. I hope it's nothing too, too serious. She's fortunate to have you at her side. I appreciate your voice SO much.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
51. how many
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 12:00 PM
Jul 2016

are killed outside of these recorded high profile events of murder and extrajudicial executions? I bet a lot.

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