** Posted To The African-American Group ***

[1StrongBlackMan]

I must say, all this concern of Sanders' supporters for BLM and getting its message correct from Sanders supporters is ... erm ... Heartwarming!

As I have sad before, what a difference a few months make.

Opportunism fools few.

[Squinch]

1. They're all shocked. Shocked I tell you.

[stevenleser]

2. Thank you. I was waiting until folks in this group discussed it to help decide

What I thought of those comments. I know I am strange that I want to hear African Americans take on what is alleged to be an insensitive comment about African Americans.

Part of that is because I posted links to six Twitter posters about a topic some time back and some folks here mined comments from one of them, found something mildly insensitive towards Jews and labeled everything I posted about all six Twitter posters as anti-Semitic, never mind that among my very mixed heritage includes Judaism and a father that is a holocaust survivor.

Of course I don't recognize any of the folks who labeled what I posted from the Jewish group which I also participate in and have participated in for many years.

[JI7]

3. He had black protestors many times during his presidency

And responded in a similar way.

Apart from differences on the issue itself i don't see a problem in how he responded. He actually discussed it.

I said before that Sanders should have told the blm protestors that they WILL let him respond to what they were saying .

[sheshe2]

4. ...

[Starry Messenger]

5. Not peeking in there, you can't make me, LALALALALA

DU needs a smilie that drinks wine.

[joshcryer]

23. I know you're a socialist, as am I.

But (deleted comments just now), well said. Check my journal, many posts in your group. I stand by it. And will. You and your group have, imo, not been as partisan as others. With the exception of possibly the AA group, you're on top. <3 = hearts, love you all, this group. Fantastic job moderating and hosting substantive discussion.

[retrowire]

6. our concern about their message being interpreted correctly isnt new

annnd it's not opportunism. I'd hope everyone here agrees that BLM's mission shouldn't be "hushed" or misinterpreted as well.

We need unity more than division 1sbm. so, misinterpreting allies as opportunists isn't productive.

[1StrongBlackMan]

7. Just stop ...

your concern about their message being interpreted correctly is as new as the driven snow.

I'd hope everyone here agrees that BLM's mission shouldn't be "hushed" or misinterpreted as well.

Bullshit ... and a DU:search will prove it.

We need unity more than division 1sbm. so, misinterpreting allies as opportunists isn't productive.

Agreed ... But many of those you would term as my allie ... I reject.

[retrowire]

8. whatever you say :/ I'll never convince you otherwise it seems.

still an ally though. rejected or not. always will be.

[1StrongBlackMan]

9. LOL ... You don't get to tell me you are my ally ...

especially when you try and tell me what my interests are.

[retrowire]

20. didnt tell you what your interests were.

I thought you were grateful for "Bernie supporters concern"? now I'm telling you your interests hmm? :/

still an ally to all AA's, even if one of them online doesn't like me. won't change a thing.

[1StrongBlackMan]

24. LOL ... We're not all brand new

still an ally to all AA's, even if one of them online doesn't like me. won't change a thing.

Maybe someone will tell you how fucked up that declaration is someday. Or better, you figure it out on your own.

[wouldsman]

10. on the money retrowire.

[retrowire]

21. thank you. :) nt

[JustAnotherGen]

17. You won't convince me either

Last summer lots of folks at DU - avid Senator Sanders supporters had some kind of rage(?) At BLM for daring to not show deference.

In the case of Bill Clinton's recent remarks - he was right and gave the right response.

Let's not confuse Bill Clinton with the Zimpig. Both are winners - but one isn't a piece of shit murderer of a black teenager. If Zimpig had been black and that case had taken place in 1999 it never would have been investigated.

[retrowire]

19. who is zimpig?

and I didn't have rage at BLM. we're not all lock step the same.

also, you're saying bill was right to tell BLM they actually defend murderers who take lives? he twisted their message and tried making them look like fools. I don't accept that.

[JustAnotherGen]

27. You are way behind in the AfAm Group

Search through here for the reference.


Yes I do.

You were NOT impacted by these people (the druggies, gangs and addicts) that TERRORIZED black America. . . ya know? Black on black crime. Ya know - that thing white Americans like to throw in black peoples faces.

Bill was right then - and he was RIGHT this week. He was right.

And he's a god damn hero for not 'talking cheap' like SOME people in Congress did back then.

[retrowire]

28. i wasnt? wow you know where i grew up and my history.

I did grow up in those neighborhoods actually.

I won't give you the disrespect of assuming I know what you've been through but the fact of the matter is that no matter what strife you've been through, it doesn't make Bill right to tell BLM that they are defending murderers and drug dealers.

if you seriously agree with Bill about that then you're allowing BLM's message to be twisted. not only that, but you're patting Bill on the back for it.

crime from the 90's has nothing to do with how Bill treated those BLM activists. sorry.

yeah the crime existed, no one denies that, but BLM doesn't deserve to have their words twisted and thrown back at them. and that is not something worth defending.

[JustAnotherGen]

29. Yes they did

They totally deserved that.

And if you HAD been impacted by the street gang drug wars - you would agree with Bill.

You would also see - much like Sanders Fans say -

He's the ONLY ONE!!!!!!


So was Bill Clinton.

He has a right to DEFEND HIS record. He was the ONLY one in America standing up for us. The ONLY ONE who cared.


If you don't like it - don't listen to him.

[retrowire]

30. wow.

so you agree that BLM defends murderers and drug dealers. they deserved that.

isn't this the AA group? the AA group is cool with BLM being misrepresented like that?

I'm sorry, having been afflicted by that kind of environment gave me no excuse to be that way about BLM. so no, again, being a victim of that stuff gives no one the right to smear BLM's message.

its okay for Bill to defend his record. no ones saying that's the bad part, the bad part is telling BLM that they are defending murderers and drug dealers.

[JustAnotherGen]

31. But they were - because they were going after HIS record

If they want to go after Hillary Clinton for things she's done in the Senate - that's fine. Do as they wish.

But YES - they were going after HIS record and he was absolutely CORRECT to point out to them -

Hey - those were murderers who engaged in black on black crime.

Wow! Yeah - someone in the African American group wants to talk about black on black crime. Funny - if this was a non black guy who shot a black teenager the entire discussion would be about smdh* black on black crime so we should ignore all other types of crime.


Over and over and over and over again - Those what? Handful of activists needed to be told -

You are defending people who murdered your OWN who NEEDED to go to jail. They were NOT innocents. They destroyed their own community and harmed innocent bystanders.

What part of that don't you seem to understand?

His record - he had a right to defend himself and point out PRECISELY who they were defending.

We aren't talking Trayvon Martin or Jordan or Tamir -

We are talking about the gang drug wars in the 1980's and 1990's.

[retrowire]

32. BLM was referring to trayvon and others though

it doesn't matter what Bill meant then, it matters what BLM means NOW and they are NOT defending murderers, they are speaking against black youth being referred to as super predators. end of story.

Bill twisted their words. BLM does not defend murderers or drug dealers, that's it.

I'm on the people's side. Not Bill's.

again bill can defend his record, that's fine, but he cannot misrepresent BLM's message like that.

[JustAnotherGen]

34. He can do whatever he wants

he's not running for office!

[FairWinds]

11. I found this article by Michelle Alexander in the Nation . .

to be persuasive, though I do not agree with all of it.

She says HRC does not deserve the black vote.

http://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clinton-does-not-deserve-black-peoples-votes/

[wouldsman]

12. Excellent read Fairwinds,

an excerpt:
The love affair between black folks and the Clintons has been going on for a long time. It began back in 1992, when Bill Clinton was running for president. He threw on some shades and played the saxophone on The Arsenio Hall Show. It seems silly in retrospect, but many of us fell for that. At a time when a popular slogan was “It’s a black thing, you wouldn’t understand,” Bill Clinton seemed to get us. When Toni Morrison dubbed him our first black president, we nodded our heads. We had our boy in the White House. Or at least we thought we did.

[JI7]

13. lol

[1StrongBlackMan]

14. They just don't listen ... do they?

[brer cat]

18. Hey, 1SBM...

I thought you were the one who wasn't listening. Haven't they been telling you clearly?

[1StrongBlackMan]

36. LOL ... Is THAT what that noise is ...

I thought it was just a gnat buzzing near my ear.

[JustAnotherGen]

16. The one discussed extensively in this grouo

We have never seen it!

Never heard of her!

Thanks for the education.

[1StrongBlackMan]

25. LOL ... The advantages of being reborn ...

you get to act brand new!

[JustAnotherGen]

26. We certainly have our work as Group Hosts cut out for us today

OP - whenever they come into the group -

Disrupt.

Angry posts.

It's just for attention. I figure I'm gonna let the group have at this thread today.

What says you?

[Chitown Kev]

38. LOL

Can y'all get a new schtick, please?

[FairWinds]

39. More Evidence vs. Snark . .

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bill-clinton-welfare-reform_us_5707cbf4e4b0c4e26a227a34

[gwheezie]

15. All black lives matter

I'm tired and slightly delirious from a GI upset, so I hope I can articulate this.
It appears most coverage of black activism focuses on the murder of black people by police and there's always the response that goes like this " how come (insert name of black leader) doesn't protest when blacks are killing other blacks?". You don't read or hear anything about how white folks should be taking their youth to task for killing each other. It is automatically a black problem. Black folks are killing each other and then making the police kill more black kids. It doesn't matter if you are high class black folks, because it's just the rampant killing that must be some kind of black folk flaw.
I have lived and worked all kinds of communities. I don't know any community that is indifferent to their young people being killed. Except maybe there are it seems like a bunch of white folks leaving loaded guns strewn about and toddlers are killing each other, those apparently are accidents. I digress. What I believe is black folks want their police department to protect and serve. They want the justice system to work equally. This is what I see. I was around during the crack epidemic. I remember crack being the worst drug ever that turned people into murdering savages that tore at the fabric of our entire way of life and there was no point in allowing humanity to enter into how we deal with someone on the pipe because there was no chance of redemption. Unlike coke, which was just sorta fun and whitish.
Anyway when someone says super predator, we have been been planted with the image of a very big, adult black male. To me, the end result of the image is the killing of an unarmed small child, the seed was planted centuries ago.

[joshcryer]

22. 1 for 1

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511678740

On Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:22 AM you sent an alert on the following post:

Hey Bill!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511678740

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

Callout of another DUer.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:31 AM, and voted 6-1 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Gross.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Thank you.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

33. My initial reaction to Bill's reaction to BLM was cringing.

However, what I noticed in his comments and body language and attitude was he cared. He had a passion about it, and as fucked up as some of the stuff he did as president, at least he cared.



I think he should have found a softer way to react to BLM, I think he could have done it without the accusations as to BLM's motives, but at the end of the day, regardless of how bad the crime bill was, Bill Clinton and Hillary care about what happens to people.

I think her support of the private prison industry or her accepting support from them is disgusting and sick, but, I also think that no GOP person gives a shit about this stuff, and if anything they want to work to harm minorities, not help them.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

35. They don't give a damn about African Americans. They just want to bury the Clintons.

I'll say it again:

THEY DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT AFRICAN AMERICANS!!

Remember, we're dumb, don't know what's best for us, vote against our own best interests, and should kneel at the feet of St. Bernie because he got arrested and marched in a protect 60 years ago. And we're ungrateful, black bastards for failing to see that and not voting for him.

[FairWinds]

37. Tell that to Nina Turner . .

Cornel West, Spike Lee and so many others . .

More are here . . https://www.facebook.com/AfricanAmericansForBernie/

Sanders' record on ethnic equality is in my view

much better than HRC's or Bill's.

I am proud to have marched with and supported BLM,

and I will continue to do so.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

40. I certainly will. Thank you.

[forjusticethunders]

41. Late as fuck but record and votes don't equate to leadership and involvement.

I learned the difference over this primary.

Yes the realpolitik of the 90s forced the Clintons to pander somewhat to racist law and order bullshit to get something like the crime bill passed (the GOP wouldn't pass the bill without it) and yes they've been far less than perfect but they've been in the thick of it so black people as a whole forgive them.