African American
Related: About this forumgollygee
(22,336 posts)Based on this and yesterday's action, that the administration at DU recognizes what's been going on around here.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I am surprised.
iandhr
(6,852 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Up to him to behave
underpants
(182,763 posts)is like getting fired on your day off.
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Smoking!!!!
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)If you can't debate them alert, lock, hide and ban them.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)" open season on Sanders supporters..."
More accurately, open season on those holding racist or bigoted sentiments (all other rationalizations and post hoc fallacies aside).
And let's hope it continues-- regardless of which candidate a racist or bigoted sentiment may or may nor endorse.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)racist. Mob mentality. "Let's get together and go find us some "racists"". This is Right Wing behavior. Don't debate, ban.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)brush
(53,764 posts)and doubling down on it just a couple of days ago is racist?
I want to know exactly where you stand.
Hekate
(90,642 posts)fleur-de-lisa
(14,624 posts)It's disgusting.
I don't think this is a 'Hillary supporter' vs 'Bernie supporter' issue. It's about disavowing racist comments on a Democratic message board.
Bernie would not approve of the racist attacks, thinly veiled as freedom of speech, and neither do I.
There is no purge of Bernie supporters going on at DU. Willy deserved the ppr.
yardwork
(61,588 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)synergie
(1,901 posts)the team mentality that the BSers were working with. I think it's particularly brave of you and the rational and sane Bernie Supporters to have taken a stand against such vile statements. I have watched what anyone who spoke out against some of these comments go through when you do.
It was the team sports mentality and the sheer amount of hate that was being whipped up here in what was converted into a Bernie echo chamber where simply cheering on Bernie (ostensibly) gave one immunity and credibility for whatever one wished to say.
A lot of people are apparently upset about not being able to do whatever they wish on this site, with the assurance that they would not be held accountable do to their "side" silencing the opposition.
Thank you for speaking out and maintaining the sanity and rationality that I had once thought was common on the left. We have more in common than not and we're all in this together in November, no matter who wins, let's not forget that when the agitators, both the earnest ones carried away by passion and emotion, as well as the deliberate provocateurs intent on mischief, cause disruption.
treestar
(82,383 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)just proves ONE thing, in my book. The power to tell people how they should think and speak, with enforcement ability, has always resided in the hands of those who feel that they are ENTITLED enough to wield such power. WillyT has been no better or worse in his comments than the multitude of racist, bigoted statements allowed to stand here disguised as 'free speech'. I would use the l-word, but I won't.
addendum: There has been an active, obvious AND ONGOING purge of AA supporters of Sen. Sanders from day one. NO DOUBTS IN MY MIND AND EXPERIENCE HERE.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)I've been trying to get an answer to that question all morning.
Instead, all I get is what you see above.
brush
(53,764 posts)He's on the WillyT appreciation threads.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)But you're exactly right.
Sid
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Not coming from me, it was stated as much in his obit.
" you get to point out who you think..." No more and no less than you getting to point out who you think allegedly gets amnesty and who allegedly gets dog-piled. Regardless, I pointed to obvious racist sentiment rather than racist people. I'm certain you realize the relevant difference even should you feign ignorance.
But please, continue to rationalize the denial of racist sentiments on DU as RW behavior for as long as it suits your bias.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)and doubling down on it just a couple of days ago is racist?
Where do you stand on that question?
Do you think it is "mob mentality" when Admins ban a poster who insists on posting racist garbage like WillyT did?
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)I rather feel that such accusations completely miss the point. But failing to understand someone else's motivations is not inherently bigoted (or more specifically racist).
And slinging that accusation of racism around to apply to incomprehension just isn't right.
As for banning a poster for repeated incomprehension being "mob mentality": when nobody bothered to explain their motivations on terms the poster could comprehend, just shouting "if you don't agree with me you are racist" or "if you ascribe the wrong motivations to my preference, you must be a bigot" - come on: how is that stuff going to convince anyone to see things from your point of view? And then banning someone for not being convinced? Doesn't look good.
----
But the admins and the poster aside for a moment, the question of why the incomprehension of PoC preference for Clinton rises to the level of seeming like the result of criminal abuse: that question deserves a better and more thoughtful discussion than accusations of bigotry all over the board. Particularly as I think, respectfully, that enquiring into the incomprehension of posters like Willy T could help to restore some of those bridges that a certain campaign has been all too happy to burn.
So maybe you will permit me to take your question into further consideration, and try to work it into - or refer to it in - an OP which I hope to present very shortly.
Love,
Betty.
Number23
(24,544 posts)If you read the banning message from EarlG on WillyT's profile, he could not have made it more clear that WillyT had been REPEATEDLY informed that the stuff he was posting was racist, ignorant and offensive and it had been explained to him a hundred different ways by a thousand different posters.
Perhaps, instead of coming in here and trying to chastise posters who know what's going on, you could take the literally THREE SECONDS to find out what's going on, and you could save yourself and the rest of us some time and trouble.
JustAnotherGen
(31,810 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Starry and I were talking about trying to maybe get the group back to just focusing AA issues instead of so much energy being devoted to these revolting primaries. The more we focus on the primaries, the more these people here will keep targeting this forum.
What do you think?
JustAnotherGen
(31,810 posts)Key issue though - I could post an OP about the new show - Underground .. . Someone will come in here and tell me how HRC would have been a slave catcher.
Number23
(24,544 posts)All the while screaming, of course, that their objections to her are all based on policies and are not on hatred in any way.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Posters who are hostile to black people and black perspectives are not welcome in this forum.
By rec'ing that OP and ignoring this forum except to come in here and high five someone who is justifying racist content, it's clear that you want to be here as much as we want you to be.
TexasTowelie
(112,102 posts)good block!
Number23
(24,544 posts)Cha
(297,136 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)On what planet? The Right Wing on this planet, and in particular this country, loves them some racists. They are their base, ever since Nixon's Southern Strategy.
Coolest Ranger
(2,034 posts)please don't take this as an opportunity to make swipes at folks here. Go to General Discussion: Primary for that
Number23
(24,544 posts)But I see that hostest with the mostest Starry Messenger beat me to the punch.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I'll treasure it.
Number23
(24,544 posts)I see we've had to fully abandon the "warn first, ban later" policy. Given the caliber of the folks that have taken over this web site, I'm cool as hell with that.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Cha
(297,136 posts)Cha
(297,136 posts)to correct his behavior but he so unwisely chose to triple down instead.
There's no excuse for you defending that.. none whatsoever.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)You seem to come right to the "freedom of speech" and "censorship" defense of people who post the most horrid shit about African Americans here, but when AA voices were being run off by having their posts hidden, you were nowhere to be found.
Why is that, exactly?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Why the selective passion for freedom of speech and opposition to censorship?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)I will say there is a huge difference in hiding a post and banning someone. I won't be bullied.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)When a group's regular posters ask you questions, it's generally common courtesy to not be an abrasive guest and show some good faith.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)You came into this safe haven to start in.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)The photography group lands there at times too based on recs.
I know it's common though to claim someone made a special effort invade a specific group but that often isn't the case.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Even if he did not he won't be making that mistake again.
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)I don't think you speak for all Bernie supporters or DU posters. I would like to know how YOU feel about WillieT's posts and the general responses that the AA and LGBT community had.
JustAnotherGen
(31,810 posts)Please do not respond to anymore to his posts.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Freedom of speech!
MADem
(135,425 posts)Enjoy your meal.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I guess we might not be high class enough for european travelers.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Some fight the rich, some want to be the rich, and some ARE rich...
fleur-de-lisa
(14,624 posts)Willy started an OP that the AA community on DU, and many others, found to be insensitive and racist. Your comment makes it sound as if Hillary supporters went out of their way to find some poor schmuck Bernie supporter and unfairly brand him as a racist, with the simple motive of pouncing on him, or as you stated it "mob mentality".
Willy started an in-your-face OP for the world to see, after he posted this same shit quite a while ago and was told by many people how offensive it was. And yet he did it again.
The cloak of victimhood you are wrapping Willy in is completely undeserved. He thumbed his nose at the AA community and the Admins by again posting that Stockholm drivel. He alone is responsible for his actions.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Cha
(297,136 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)litlbilly
(2,227 posts)all over themselves all day long? Not me. The have given the nomination to Hill and they think its over.
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)I KNOW that isn't true, I know lots of Bernie people aren't bigots so it's interesting that you, as a Bernie supporter, on;t agree with me.
Also, you are in the AA Group, a safe haven, so behave.
book_worm
(15,951 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)--Group host.
JustAnotherGen
(31,810 posts)I'm in agreement.
And you are on FIRE!
I couldn't decide if I should give him a warning or not.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I figured it wasn't going to get any better from there, sooo....!
JustAnotherGen
(31,810 posts)Can you hit alert abuse and send it up to Admin too?
I'm thinking we should send them all for the next 24 hours. Also send the one he sent originally.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)yardwork
(61,588 posts)Squinch
(50,946 posts)how DU is polluting your perfect minds and so you are leaving. Just go, already.
Cha
(297,136 posts)chances to correct his behavior, but refused.
The only "slobbering" I see are from those attempting to excuse him.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)--Group host.
Coolest Ranger
(2,034 posts)for blocking him.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)He was being out right racist.
mcar
(42,300 posts)Regardless of who they support. There is no place on a democratic site for that crap.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)Sigh!
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)The majority of us have nothing to fear.
Number23
(24,544 posts)The majority of us have nothing to fear.
Absofreaking lutely.
George II
(67,782 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Sure.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)to get rid of him, since he was hurting your cause far more than helping...
Tarheel_Dem
(31,232 posts)sheshe2
(83,730 posts)I do believe it was EarlG that PPRed Willy. Is one man a mob now?
Cha
(297,136 posts)his racist behavior. I believe he is a BS supporter.
Cha
(297,136 posts)You damn well know the majority on DU are BS fans. You look awfully disingenuous trying to say otherwise.
synergie
(1,901 posts)BSers could not handle debate, so the alerting, locking, hiding and gloating over how you silenced us and turned the DU into a Bernie Echo chamber full of Democrat bashing and RW smears against Clinton herself from every CON rag around?
Why are you guys so angry and upset that people can answer back and not simply be piled on upon? Can you not defend your positions or handle debate when your opponents can answer?
MADem
(135,425 posts)enshrined in our Constitution.
It's not "amnesty"--it's de facto reversal of some egregious, "faux" hides based SOLELY on non-support of Bernie Sanders, and it's a warning that more of those "faux" hides will be dealt with severely.
No more bullying and swarming (and the effect is immediately noticeable, I must say)--a good thing, IMO.
George II
(67,782 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)counter productive you saw one thing then this happens whether I agree with him or not. Many old school Southern Democrats are still racist. Thats how we learned in civics class. Odds are people in the heat of the night were democrats. Just like Abe Lincoln was a liberal Republican. Republicans used to be Liberals. I'd assume the WillyT of 13 yrs ago is not the same WillyT now we all change. Hope I never get that notorious
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)wtf are you even saying?
And, you are in the AA Group. Be respectful.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)get back on topic
I said Southern Democrats generially are. (WHITE!!) face palm
Cha
(297,136 posts)Spare us your manufactured martyrdom.
cstanleytech
(26,281 posts)and in the end it was his own decision not to grow that caused him to get banned.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)some people just wanna go out with a bang
MADem
(135,425 posts)flipped to the GOP when Nixon implemented his southern strategy?
Remember Trent Lott? He was a "college Dem." That didn't last long at all, did it?
LBJ's signing of the Civil Rights Act flipped the script-all those "Dems" went over to the GOP side, and all those historically "Lincoln Republicans" (Emancipation Proclamation, and all) bounced over to the Dem side--saying "Thanks, Lyndon" as they did.
When you make racist statements, you're gonna get the ban hammer. That's the "lesson" of WillyT.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Craig's dad to Craig in "Friday": Boy, how the hell do you get fired on your day off??!!
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)Gothmog
(145,126 posts)The latest thread was really distasteful
bravenak
(34,648 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,810 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)I keep this one on my sigline just in case!!
Coolest Ranger
(2,034 posts)may he not be the last one too
bravenak
(34,648 posts)brer cat
(24,558 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... horrible as those on the right
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I cannot believe them
mcar
(42,300 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,975 posts)Some small part of me wants to say "unbelievable" but there it is, very, very believable and very, very true.
Squinch
(50,946 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Of centrist pablum. Right? That's the corner folks paint themselves into with fake absolutes, and absurd false equivalents. WillyT should have been banned the first time, and I am a Sanders supporter
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... the middle is admitting they might be racist and willing to change to a degree.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)But I see it. I see it right here.
Cha
(297,136 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,810 posts)I'm thinking - leave it - because we need to allow people to blow off steam.
There is no Meta TOS in the Groups. You would have to find an attack on a member or a thread like "Join the Klan" for me to lock it. Since WillyT is no longer a member - there no TOS violation here.
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bravenak
(34,648 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)garbage from his keyboard must have been SO demoralizing.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I was so relieved! I no longer even feel like being mad at him or what he said. Poof! Finally that can stop.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)cloudythescribbler
(2,586 posts)(and Counterpunch publishes a LOT of utter garbage though not everything they put forward is worthless) --
I have heard or seen this meme in a variety of contexts on the web and maybe even TV, but who has been putting forward this meme other than WillieT and Counterpunch. It would make for an interesting article for someone with better research skills than I
my own take on these issues:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280151092#post9
bravenak
(34,648 posts)But I would have to come back after I do some thing around town to have time to fully respond.
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)the ignore button! Only the second time in 13+ years.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Did that poster really come in hear just to tell you he/she was putting you on ignore?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)wildeyed
(11,243 posts)with "boring" or the snooze smilie.
Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #37)
Jackie Wilson Said This message was self-deleted by its author.
Cha
(297,136 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)among certain DU progressive.
Go figure.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)shenmue
(38,506 posts)Yipes.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Glad he cant do that shit anymore. Just a bully
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)Digital Puppy
(496 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)wildeyed
(11,243 posts)and fun
Response to bravenak (Original post)
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1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Group host.
BumRushDaShow
(128,831 posts)AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
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FO Bravenak
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=45836
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This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
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Came into a protected group and told one of its regular posters to "fuck off."
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You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:33 PM, and the Jury voted 6-1 to HIDE IT.
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Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Let's just get all the ugly out in the open and leave it there. I'm weary of how this is going.
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Glad to see 6-1 but should have been 7-0. I expect the next few days will be a bloodbath of stalking.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I was on my phone when I did the block--it's harder to write up a good alert on the little keyboard, so thank you all for hiding that too.
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)Maybe they ought to just start their own message board to talk to themselves.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Please don't twist my words. Thank you. (also, as many here on DU know, I don't do arguments. I have no real beefs with anyone)
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)Makes it seem sort of odd that you want so many people banned, though.
Cha
(297,136 posts)off suspension and this is what she does?!
Ruffles their damn feathers?
Go easy on them brave.. posting willyt's PPR 'cause of his racist OPs are too much for their sensibilities.
Doubled down on his infamous suggestion that black Democrats have Stockholm Syndrome, by posting an article which included the same suggestion (along with comments calling black Democrats "battered wives" . The title of his OP was "Thank God I'm Not The Only One" and he bolded the Stockholm Syndrome comments to make sure everyone knew exactly what he was talking about. The first time he did this it was repeatedly explained to him by many members of this community that his comments were at best highly insensitive and at worst blatantly racist. Rather than learning from that experience he chose to double down.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Wow there's a similar thread in GD or GDP, right? I wonder if people are as upset about that one, or if they're more upset about this thread in this forum.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)So it's not my job to charge up the mountain demanding his reinstatement.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I wont either since I know his last op was directed at me personally.
William769
(55,144 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)William769
(55,144 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,810 posts)ALERT: Thread may violate Statement of Purpose for group: African American
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-- Author: bravenak
-- Title: Bye, Willyt.
-- Location: African American
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bravenak
(34,648 posts)Nothing wrong with this op. The host has approved this op
JustAnotherGen
(31,810 posts)They need to stop.
Go ahead and blow off steam bravenak - it's not hurting anything.
I seriously don't understand why these folks don't put you on ignore? *head scratch*
I've had the person in the OP on block since the first stockholm syndrome thread. I've got someone in GD saying "Well you should have said something to him" blah blah blah "That's the appropriate way" blah blah blah
The hell?
I'm not obligated to anything other than be black and die.
The utter gall that people think I should take my time and give it to someone I had already made the decision was beneath me is just - insane. That's why I'm not broke - I don't waste time on that when I could be making money.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Now that he's gone I am not even bother by him.
I think people need to stop acting like my personal NSA and do them. Too much attention.
JustAnotherGen
(31,810 posts)If you post too much c.t., too many cats , or are all around obnoxious (in my opinion that's all relative and personal) I just put user names on ignore.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Today!!!
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)<a href="http://imgur.com/J5MTQy7"><img src="" title="source: imgur.com" /></a>
<a href="http://imgur.com/79MeEmc"><img src="" title="source: imgur.com" /></a>
JustAnotherGen
(31,810 posts)In pictures! Cheap shot!
ETA - if The Gio wasn't allergic this animal would adopt me as it's human:
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)since the beginning of primary season. An endless stream of disingenuous BS came out of that keyboard. And I felt like it was mostly just shit-stirring for the attention of the peanut gallery, not even real commitment to the candidate. I don't mind wasting time if the debate is interesting, but it never was with that one.
JustAnotherGen
(31,810 posts)At least I'm transparent and don't try to hide behind the system.
sheshe2
(83,730 posts)Every time I get one of those alerts from hosting BOG and HRC. I go kick and rec the thread.
PS...I am so glad I am free again.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)I thought this was a lamenting his departure kind of discussion. My bad
JustAnotherGen
(31,810 posts)Anymore alerts on it - as a warning -
I'm including your names.
There were two alerters who I have brought my respect to by NOT doing that.
But knock it off. I'm not protecting anyone else who is trying to put their boots on the necks of this group and bring us to heel.
It's not happening.
Quayblue
(1,045 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,810 posts)Quayblue
(1,045 posts)Response to bravenak (Original post)
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bravenak
(34,648 posts)I hope people just chill
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Response to bravenak (Reply #96)
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ismnotwasm
(41,975 posts)On Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:25 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
Bye, Willyt.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/118745760
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This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Just for the record, when Bravenak was timed out, my only response was a hand clap emoticon. Never said one word. But Bravenak is openly demeaning a poster with a new post. Where's the fairness?
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Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Sorry, but "the poster" in question is no longer a member in good standing here, therefore fair game. Besides, I think it's bad form to be scanning the AA group for alertable posts. The banned person was incredibly nasty to this group of DU'ers, they deserve some vindication in my opinion. This is relevant to the community, so I'm giving them some space to express themselves on this issue. The alerted post isn't "demeaning" in the least. Banned trolls have always been fair game here.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: First, Willy is no longer a poster. Second, there is no real commentary here just a link, --not even a "hand clap" so nope. I will vote to leave.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerter, fight your own battles -- don't abuse the jury system when your fee fees get hurt.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,975 posts)You've taken far too much ugly crap just for being a strong steadfast black women who speaks her mind.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)There's some deliberate irony up in that emoticon, too!
Cha
(297,136 posts)Some good responses from the jurors.. Mahalo ism~ That alerter should be alerted on. Can't believe the willyt apologists.
#4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Sorry, but "the poster" in question is no longer a member in good standing here, therefore fair game. Besides, I think it's bad form to be scanning the AA group for alertable posts. The banned person was incredibly nasty to this group of DU'ers, they deserve some vindication in my opinion. This is relevant to the community, so I'm giving them some space to express themselves on this issue. The alerted post isn't "demeaning" in the least. Banned trolls have always been fair game here.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: First, Willy is no longer a poster. Second, there is no real commentary here just a link, --not even a "hand clap" so nope. I will vote to leave.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerter, fight your own battles -- don't abuse the jury system when your fee fees get hurt.
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bravenak
(34,648 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,810 posts)WillyT getting ppr'd on HRC?
Bwahahahahahaha
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)I kinda think posting racist (or homophobic, sexist/misogynistic, xenophobic ... or any other ignorant bigoted) posts will eventually get you banned. Candidate support has nothing to do with it. A definite to DU and its admins
MisterP
(23,730 posts)then surviving a jury means you must be banned!
Coolest Ranger
(2,034 posts)please point that out to me cause I must have missed that post
bravenak
(34,648 posts)UtahLib
(3,179 posts)and seeing how many are so desperately trying to shut you up is more than illuminating. Looks like DU is still under construction and it will be a long and painful process but very much needed.
Bravenak, I'm delighted to see that they will no longer be allowed to silence you or anyone else in this group!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I hope they stop paying me so much attention soon
Iris
(15,652 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts)Coolest Ranger
(2,034 posts)and I'm sure I'm not the only one
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)He really thought Carolina was gonna win!!!
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Half the time you say EXACTLY what I'm fucking thinking.
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)ND wins the internet today!
Cha
(297,136 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Coolest Ranger
(2,034 posts)what happens during the night time hours when the Bernie supporters come out in full force. They will alert the heck out of this thread because the jury seems to favor them at night. Does the MIRT team know about the alert stalking here?
betsuni
(25,457 posts)that there's a lot of alerting at night and juries likely to approve hiding posts for personal reasons.
MADem
(135,425 posts)The admins will take away their jury and alerting privileges if they start in with that kind of stuff.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,232 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
steve2470
(37,457 posts)A second time ? The admins truly bend over backwards not to ban people. I applaud the ban.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Are you just alerting here over and over again, or are you also alerting the similar thread in GD?
JustAnotherGen
(31,810 posts)Linked to the one in GD too! GD has hosts - they could lock it if they want to.
I'm choosing not to lock this op.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Is that they're trying to protest the recent admin actions by doing a lot of alerts, and then attempting to use the number of times this group is alerted on as some kind of evidence of problems within this group.
JustAnotherGen
(31,810 posts)However I think you meant to send your alert to a jury - correct? You sent your alert to the Group Hosts - not to a jury.
Mail Message
You have received this Alert message because you are currently a Host of the group: African American.
ALERTED DISCUSSION THREAD
-- Author: bravenak
-- Title: Bye, Willyt.
-- Location: African American
-- Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:15 AM
-- Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/118745760
ALERT INFORMATION
-- Sent by: Smarmie Doofus
-- Reason: This discussion thread violates the Statement of Purpose for this forum.
-- Alerter's comments: Just testing to see if the "Alert" function has any validity whatosever anymore.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Uncalled for.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)But I think it's frustrating for a lot of Bernie supporters, of all races and sexes to watch people voting against their best interests, and in doing so, help push the candidate that will help all of us fighting for a more inclusive society, out the door. Why is this happening?
Its not just me saying that, an interview with Killer Mike and Bernie Sanders:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-killer-mike_us_56704393e4b0fccee16ff248
"Mike and Sanders discussed a variety of subjects, such as: what socialism means to the black community (Bernie: "To be truly free, you need economic rights" , the meaning of social justice, why Sanders got into politics, why people vote against their best interests"
And from his twitter account:
https://twitter.com/killermike/status/673404138131202048
"So sad RT @NailzConnelly: @KillerMike isn't it sad how frequently people are voting against their own best interests?"
I know KM is not all AA, I am just using his observations to make the point. So its frustrating not having this addressed. I think Willyt blew a fuse. It was not the correct way to approach this, but I can still be empathetic about his frustration because there is no easy way to express this without it being taken the wrong way.
I also think one could say something similar about Union leadership endorsing Clinton. Willyt is not a racist. He was expressing the frustration towards voters of an identifiable community backing the candidate whose husband initiated among other things, the three strikes law, and welfare reform which hit the minority, and poorer communities hard, ...and even now is the second best candidate in regards to more radical social justice reform, and economic reforms that would actually help lift the disadvantaged, the poor, along with much of the AA community up the most. Someone who has marched for civil rights back in the 60's and has never wavered. And it is so frustrating to see this happen.....and not be able to get an answer.
IMO though its not anything particular to what race you are at all. It is a predictable combination of name recognition, MSM coverage, and being less informed. It is just that the AA community's in-general rejection of the candidate that would help them the most is very notable and puzzling. And it is not particular to one community. Why do poor white folks vote Republican? It is more sad than anything. This is/was a maybe once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to really turn the tables on the status quo, and to see so many, of every race and sex, vote instead for the Third Way establishment candidate is disappointing.
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)after a year's worth of explanations. But I'm glad it's notable because maybe you'll go back and take some notes instead of in one ear and out the other due to overwelming frustration caused by your utmost concern for us. Thanks mom or dad for loving us so much, I know how frustrating true altruism in parenting can be. What's the matter with kids today?
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)of why it so difficult to even talk about it. If we express our confusion in why, as Killer Mike pointed out, so many vote against their best interests, we don't get "a year's worth of explanations". We get snark. Its difficult to get even one good explanation.
And I understand that the black community, like the union community, or the women's rights advocates do not consciously vote in one block. But it seems the majority in the AA community are voting one way, so that is a phenomenon. And it would be nice to be able to discuss it. But you replied the post, thankyou, so on an individual level then...if I am to presume you are a Hillary supporter....why is she the best choice moving forward for you, your family and friends, community and country as opposed to what Sanders has proposed?
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)You must now do your own research or just take Killer Mike's word for it. I absolutely cannot believe you've gotten nothing but snark because snark is a result of our frustration trying again and again to explain, even giving advice as to what Sanders was/is doing wrong but you simply don't hear it. I'm constantly trying to understand this dystopian world I exist and it's come through hard and steady study of you and me, pursuing answers for my own questions by listening to others. And when answers aren't satisfying, I dig deeper by more reading and more lectures.
This is an idea, not intended as snark, perhaps the answers would be easier to absorb from a white person who is a Bernie supporter but understands where we're coming from. There are lots of them.
Any takers?
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)I hear what you say. Maybe you've already tried to explain, as an AA, again and again, why you prefer Hillary's positions over Bernie's. Its just that I was only requesting one simple reason. One line in a nutshell. That's all. I've never really heard it. I wish you would just say it one more time for a somewhat oblivious white Bernie supporter. I wanted to hear from someone in this group rather than a fellow caucasian Bernie supporter to explain it to me as you seem to suggest. I am only doing as you say you do, "pursuing answers for my own questions by listening to others". I am "digging deeper", even if it is not PC to do so.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,232 posts)by Zaid Jilani Jul 22, 2011 5:50pm
SANDERS: Brian, believe me, I wish I had the answer to your question. Let me just suggest this. I think there are millions of Americans who are deeply disappointed in the president; who believe that, with regard to Social Security and a number of other issues, he said one thing as a candidate and is doing something very much else as a president; who cannot believe how weak he has been, for whatever reason, in negotiating with Republicans and theres deep disappointment. So my suggestion is, I think one of the reasons the president has been able to move so far to the right is that there is no primary opposition to him and I think it would do this country a good deal of service if people started thinking about candidates out there to begin contrasting what is a progressive agenda as opposed to what Obama is doing. So I would say to Ryan discouragement is not an option. I think it would be a good idea if President Obama faced some primary opposition.
http://thinkprogress.org/special/2011/07/22/277124/bernie-sanders-primary-obama/
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)as easily as he/she bypassed Kwassa's and 72DejaVu's.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,232 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)This assumption that you know better than they what is best for them can politely called arrogant. That is the nicest spin I can put on it.
Clinton has a decades long relationship with the black community, and Bernie did something 50 years ago. He doesn't have a personal relationship with the black community, and they don't evaluate Clinton the way you do. Accept it, and don't denigrate their decision, they are capable of deciding what is best for them.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)I apologize. It is IMO only, from my own research, that I come to the conclusions about the more obvious choice based on actual policies today. I find it hard to fathom that someone would vote on who schmoozes the best with what is a big Democratic voting block in the last decade, and who actually has been proposing social justice reforms that would benefit that community for multiple decades. The marches and arrest he did 50 years ago was not the be all and end all of his work in this area despite the propaganda otherwise. Meanwhile Hillary has taken millions from the private prison system. Her husband really helped them out a lot.
I read someone like Cornel West and am inspired that all of us, no matter what color, can join in the revolution to create better lives for everyone, and create more fairness in the system overall. IMO it is pandering to pretend that we can have real change for the concerns that BLM has raised, by only tackling the symptoms and not the underlying disease.
Why Brother Bernie Is Better for Black People Than Sister Hillary
"...when it comes to advancing Dr. Kings legacy, a vote for Clinton not only falls far short of the mark; it prevents us from giving new life to Kings legacy. Instead, it is Sanders who has championed that legacy in word and in deed for 50 years. This election is not a mere campaign; it is a crusade to resurrect democracyKing-stylein our time. In 2016, Sanders is the one leading that crusade."
Like I said, IMO, this is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. I just hope it is not missed.
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)the other day. You may know it. I didn't. From Greek krisis, decision from krinein decide. We've been in so many once-in-a-lifetime opportunities to make decisions; in a freakin' crisis - for 400 years where it concerns us. So your fear of missing out on something wonderful this time around is no longer an electrifying reason to accept Sanders as a savior.
We have a pretty good presidential voting record since given permission to vote that's ALWAYS been strategic, based on our interest. Trust that and if you can't you simply can't and I accept it, like we've had to accept and deal with atrocities far worse than this. So please stop electioneering. As a supporter of Clinton, I really, really, really, truly, for sure, beyond a shadow of a doubt know that you don't like her AND why. I don't want to change your mind because I know you're voting for what's best for you, without putting you thru the 3rd degree
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)I won't pursue this anymore.
I am truly just curious, and baffled. I've never heard an actual reason for the Clinton support vs. Sanders from someone from this community. And I understand that everyone makes their own choices for their own reasons, but I find it a little over-the-top to also assume that I, or anyone, can't look down the list of policies they are both proposing, (or not proposing) and discern how it would affect different segments of society other than my own. Yes its through my own filter, that is why I am open to the fact that I must be missing something because of that filter, and I am curious as to what that is. And so I thought I would ask.
My intent is not to attempt to make others "obey and heel" as someone else has accused me of. Why such defensiveness? Why the assumption that I am scolding? I merely asked for some clarification. Is it because Hillary and Bill have gone out of their way to establish more connections with the AA community? Is it because Bernie has been too critical of the first AA President? It it that she's at least not another old white man, and would have another perspective? Is it because the Clintons harken from the South? She has a great smile? I must only guess at the reasons. And all those reasons may be valid, but if I look at the actual policy proposals, and which one, going forward, can help all of us create a fairer, more egalitarian community, its Bernie. That is IMO.
Good luck. Whether Hillary or Bernie, I and I'm sure those in here and all of DU, are optimistic of a Democratic President. I will support whomever is the nominee. Nice talking to you.
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)At best, I think that you're not being sincere and want to argue because it's beyond belief that you've never gotten answers to questions that have been answered day in and day out for almost a year. At worst, I think this discussion is laziness disguised as an attempt to understand when all the tools are there for investigation. What baffles me is that you don't use them if you are being sincere.
I'm not curious why you support Sanders because I think my filter is not as thick as yours. And that is not meant as a snark because I'm thinking of filter paper used in labs. I know why after reading as much as I can, the debates, other info out there, as well as many one-on-one interviews of the Sanders.
I have no doubt that our next president will be a Democrat.
Nice talking to you, too!
BumRushDaShow
(128,831 posts)So to keep name-dropping him as if expecting some Pavlovian response from many of us to obey and "heel" when the name is invoked, only wastes the electrons being produced on the page.
He has become a caricature of himself. He and Tavis and their childish grudge for not being personally invited to an inaugural and other perceived "slights", sent them off on a quest to "get even" by fooling the Firedog Lake crowd with their "lefist" rhetoric, culminating in a so-called "Poverty Tour", which in reality was nothing more than a capitalistic book-selling junket. A whole bunch of people have been suckered by them including many on DU. I also know many on DU have hurled MHP under the atomic bus but she was on point about both of those men.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Nailed it. And the same folks who fell for that crap are the FIRST ones always hollering how WE'RE the ones being fooled and/or voting against our best interests.
BumRushDaShow
(128,831 posts)after convincing their white supporters to appoint them harbingers of what they fantasize is going on in the black community.
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,232 posts)Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)Last edited Sun Mar 20, 2016, 03:47 PM - Edit history (1)
I was just about to write would it be easier to accept my choice, and move on, if I told the poster that I've been involved in the political process for at least 30 years, I'm college educated - science/art majors - and not a low info voter, I've had a computer - thanks to my brother, a computer guy - since the mid to late '90s, and seen a bit of the world spending a good deal of time in other countries. Shoot! I even lived in D.C. where I couldn't get away from politics even if I tried and well aware of Sanders from just about Day 1 in Congress.
Do all of us have to prove our mental state, besides a plethora of explanations pouring out since BLM's confrontation with Bernie last year? Seriously, I read about Bernie's deficiency with the AA community in Jan. 2015 before BLM. And was like, no problem, because I was happy for another voice in the race.
DU and around the web feels like being with jilted lovers who just can't take no, thank you for an answer
kwassa
(23,340 posts)And alerts your lack of love for him ...
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)The hits keep coming
Such a successful strategy!
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)presume that they know what is in the best interest of people than those people do themselves?
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)Haveadream
(1,630 posts)And thus, they are all knowing and all seeing.
They are entitlement on steroids.
NBachers
(17,099 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)It has been great to see you go.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)It was a compulsion.
He got a hide on my thread yesterday and RACED TO REPOST THAT IMMEDIATELY. Yeah. Then called me crazy. Just set trippin.
JI7
(89,246 posts)And cheered on for it by too many.
Some white people feel the need to control others .
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Why? I cannot believe it had one rec. If they had stopped reccing him he would have stopped posting it. If the jury had hid it, he'd still be posting away. The jurors who tried to protect him are why he got banned.
mcar
(42,300 posts)People can post what they want here freely but we are all supposed to be subject to community standards. For us as a community to have continuously failed to hold to those simple standards of decency is what has me so saddened by all of this.
It makes no sense to me. It's not that hard. I will never really understand why we can't treat each other with basic respect.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It is like there is something making folks act up. It has not been this bad until summer. I hope this ends it. Giving folks too much power with the jury system left it open to tampering. I hope we do better.
M0rpheus
(885 posts)Whenever I get too busy for DU and I consider coming back, I seriously think "Do I really want to know what's going on there?".
I'm still hitting the bookmark, but my finger hovers a little longer every time.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/118744008#post36
It took me all of yesterday to catch up on the latest drama, and then all of this morning reading the WillyT threads.
I'm sitting here with my mouth wide open reading these posts about the beginning of the purge, and wondering what site were these people reading?
I'm not one for grave dancing but, I have to say:
He EARNED that tombstone, that's all there is to it.
blue neen
(12,319 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)M0rpheus
(885 posts)The heavy lifting is done by 1SBM, #23, JAG, DSB, LS71, KEV(from my hometown) and the other regular posters in here. I've always got they're backs, not that they need my help, unless there are GIFs involved.
I try to keep my head in here but, DU as a whole makes me tired... Minus the few islands of relative sanity.
Most of the time though, I'm staring at DU like this.
Too stunned to post...
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)Oh god...thanks for that
BumRushDaShow
(128,831 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)This is my face lately when I read DU outside of this forum:
Between your face and mine, I think we've summed up how much this place has deteriorated.
M0rpheus
(885 posts)I'd hate to be the guy that has to clean this place up.
JustAnotherGen
(31,810 posts)Because it's how you roll!
M0rpheus
(885 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,810 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
M0rpheus
(885 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)I know!! Hey!!! Nice to see you!
M0rpheus
(885 posts)Stay Strong, sistah!
Cause you are killing it, since your return!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Thank you! And you have to post from time to time so we can see you.
M0rpheus
(885 posts)You remember that "Irredeemable" GIF I gave you a while back?
It would have been all over this place...
Today, though...
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Today is way better than it has been since netroots
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)That's awesome MOrpheus. Hahaha!
Number23
(24,544 posts)I honestly believe he actually broke into sweats making good and god damned sure he got that tombstone. I never seen anybody work so fucking hard to get their ass tossed out.
And the wailers (and there really aren't that many of them) are doing nothing but exposing themselves as enablers.
M0rpheus
(885 posts)The Purge is coming! The Purge is coming!
I just...
It's OUR fault that he posted that BS. And it's OUR fault that the ADMINS decided that enough was enough and sent him packing.
Ever since Manny got himself the boot they knew WillyT was next because we have soooo much pull on this site.
They are fairly few and, really loud but they can miss me with all that.
Number23
(24,544 posts)shit on a regular basis.
Oh. who I am kidding, any and all problems on this web site all go back to bravenak. We know that's who all these mouth breathers really hate. DU was just a panacea of racial harmony, we all sat around singing Kumbaya m'lord until that one showed up. It's alllll her fault!!11one
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Coolest Ranger
(2,034 posts)if you can't say anything kind about it or its members don't respond please
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)nobody deserved it more
I cannot believe he did that.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)I will remember the cheerleaders
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I have been using ignore
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)I was a moderator during 08, and didn't see as much of this crap as I do now (at least until I hid GD Primary, the Hillary and Bernie groups). This primary season has made me lose a little respect for some of the people who have been around for a long time. It is very disappointing.
yowzayowzayowza
(7,017 posts)Dogmatic blindness left and right.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)I also see we have a lot of first time visitors in this thread... Welcome!!
I realize this topic is touchy for some folks, but let me implore you to be on your best behavior... This is your only warning...
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)He's been on thin ice for months
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)betsuni
(25,457 posts)Dragging that cross around makes a person thirsty.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I hope he has a good time in a place, where everybody knows his name, and they are always glad he came!!
cwydro
(51,308 posts)This was long overdue.
I wish he had simply reflected and stopped. I certainly would have let it go immediately if not for the double and triple downs. I did ask him to please stop many times, so I cannot say he was not told. Even so, I'm not exactly jumping for joy. Sad to see this. He was here for a long time.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)I have been on & off DU since 2004 and you are one of the most ornery posters I have come across.
But hey congratulations for silencing another liberal's voice on this site.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Besides... I did not get him BANNED! I am not even one of his alerters. Earlg banned him. Had folks decided to hide instead of protecting him, he would still be here. I blame the jury for protecting him. Now, please do not do this here in the AA group.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)Coolest Ranger
(2,034 posts)Either delete what you posted or leave and don't come back because we are tired of being stalked
bravenak
(34,648 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)I think you might have been looking for another word, equally inappropriate to the occasion.
Pro Tip: Racists, by definition, are not liberals. Why don't you mosey on over to your Sad Victim's transparency page and read what his ban hammer notice has to say...
unbelievable.
Cha
(297,136 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=109627&sub=trans
But don't let that stop you from jumping in and accusing the wrong person of doing the wrong thing.
knee jerk much.
CountAllVotes
(20,868 posts)If we cannot even keep it together on a message board, how the hell is it all going to work out when there is a new POTUS in January exactly.
How?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Cha
(297,136 posts)back in whatever year & it was allowed to stand.. and now finally he is Hoisted on his own Insulting PETARD.
Want to know how Happy I am?..
Mahalo for your, OP, Brave!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)John Lewis can come to my soul train line anytime!!!
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)new username will be...
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)betsuni
(25,457 posts)posted so often by our buddy Willy, thought maybe we would get a break. Who am I kidding. Of course not.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I feel the anger in the air
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)He had many chances to stop it. Nobody would hve even said anything else had he just stopped.
cstanleytech
(26,281 posts)the list to give them a 2nd chance and most pass manage to pass it but a handful havent and now are on perma ignore for going out of their way to be as offensive as possible on purpose.