African American
Related: About this forumYou know, I really thought we had finally moved past this.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511520728Apparently, we need to do the Stockholm Syndrome dance a third or fourth time.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Some people never learn or refuse to learn or....something.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)and racist crap from that poster is an embarrassment to DU, imho.
JI7
(89,182 posts)and will continue to do so after. what makes it worse is all the people who support him continually doing this.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)that pops out of John Hurt's stomach.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Warpy
(110,913 posts)when people are sick of recriminations and "what ifs" will this rubbish be over. Until then, I've got candidate groups as well as GD shitcanned and it makes DU a much more pleasant place to be. I suggest people who are sick of insulting twaddle do the same.
Nice to know you folks have become a voting monolith, all individual thought processes suspended in favor of groupthink. The things I keep learning on DU...
(Yeah, that was sarcasm)
progree
(10,864 posts)just to let them know of yet another appalling example of the jury system not working; and that his letter asking us to tone it down has gone unheeded (or worse - the freedom from automatic consequences of having many hides may have made things worse)
Aspirant posted that jury verdict at http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1521092
(#31 in that thread)
That OP was the most god-awful unbelievably blatantly racist insulting condescending post I've seen yet. And I say this as an old white male Berniebro.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Because when black people and our known white friends and allies complain about it, we are "race baiting."
I sincerely appreciate you alerting on that jury verdict and for coming in here to share that you were as repulsed and revolted by that OP as we were.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)That OP was really disgusting, one of the very worst I've seen here in 12 years. I said my peace twice in that thread. It seems like the only thing that can get someone banned for racism is to actually type out the N-word to a black person. That's an extremely low bar, IMHO.
Number23
(24,544 posts)and outside of it, I'm sure, for being an ally to the AA posters here.
I have loathed WillyT and his posts for years. There was a really blatant racial angle to all of his "criticism" of Obama and the Stockholm crap was just the tip of the iceberg. He's been doing/saying shit for years.
But the good thing about his (way too late) demise is the number of Sanders supporters who are NOT regulars in this forum that have come in and been as open throated with their disgust at his behavior as the rest of us.
Like I said to the other poster, when black folks and our known friends (of which you are one) say something, it's "race baiting". So it's really encouraging to me to see so many people I've never seen in this forum before coming in to condemn the really nasty, racist turn that DU has taken.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)What really bothers me is the number of long-time DU posters who are blind to the racism in WillyT's posts. Hell, I grew up in the small town South and it was a fucking bullhorn to me! Yes, he didn't use the N-word or other epithets or cite trash science about African-Americans, but WTF, saying ALL African-Americans have "Stockholm Syndrome" if they don't support Sanders ?
MEMO TO WHITE PEOPLE: SAYING AFRICAN-AMERICANS HAVE STOCKHOLM SYNDROME IS SAYING THEY ARE INFERIOR TO WHITE SANDERS SUPPORTERS! I can't spell it out any plainer than that, and implying inferiority of black people based on an imaginary-shared-mental-illness is RACIST.
Number23
(24,544 posts)They kicked and rec'd the endless threads posted by non-black DUers about how much black people "lurrrrrvvv" Bernie Sanders and when black folks said "that's not what I'm seeing in my hood," guess who got hidden?
Reality is something these people refuse to deal with.
Issue 1: Sanders losing the black/minority vote in every single primary/caucus; to them it couldn't possibly be that Sanders is not doing some things he needs to do, it simply HAS to be the inferiority/stupidity of black and minority voters.
Issue 2: Sanders supporters post really racist, ignorant and offensive articles and comments here and on the Facebook and social media sites of regular folks, politicians and others; to them, the folks calling out the racist, sexist, ignorant posts are the ones with the problems. They are "race baiting" and trying to create strife between the Sanders camp and minorities.
To these folks, Sanders' worst defeats are somehow his biggest victories. So it should come as no surprise that his multiple, myriad and SIGNIFICANT short comings as a candidate are completely overlooked or dismissed. Like I said, reality is something these people refuse to deal with. It's no wonder they have been wandering in the political wilderness for decades.
progree
(10,864 posts)Last edited Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:44 PM - Edit history (2)
[font color = blue]>>What really bothers me is the number of long-time DU posters who are blind to the racism in WillyT's posts.<<[/font]
Very likely there's some in each category -- Category 1: blind to racism, Category 2: just plain racist ... but I wonder if the proportion of the latter category might be quite large.
I took a glance at the Bernie Group ... judging from the title of the several threads about WillyT's banning, and glancing at a few posts in one thread, it was quite upsetting (even though I'm a white Bernie supporter).
JustAnotherGen
(31,683 posts)I don't think most Bernie supporters are bigots. There are SOME who are selfish - they tend to be louder (not talking about DU - talking about America). They tend to be selfish when it comes down to their wants vs others needs.
brer cat
(24,402 posts)It is very important that Bernie supporters come into this group to express their disgust with posts, alerts, and jury results such as this. We know that Bernie supporters are no more monolithic than the AA members are accused of being, but when there is silence from the sane, the insane voices are all we hear.
number23 below is correct that the AAs and their known allies cannot address this...we are shouted down or hidden. Your alert on that result carries much more clout than if one if us did it. The number one goal we all need to have is keeping the WH and delivering as many seats in Congress as possible. We can do that together, divided we may fail. People like you can do much to tone down the vitriol and keep us from totally splitting apart. Thank you again, progree!
kwassa
(23,340 posts)progree
(10,864 posts)On Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:15 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
Thank God I'm Not The Only One...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511520728
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Patronizing and racist.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:32 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Nothing here that breaks the rules. If you don't agree with the OP, give your reasons, but stop trying to hide things just because you disagree.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
[font color = blue]Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: So "black Americans" are stupid and all fucked up. Got it. Off to hidey-hide land you go.[/font]
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: While I don't agree with the contents of the post I don't think it's racist in nature.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Post is insulting to black voters and is very condescending.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
[hr][font color = red]Alert Abuse[/font] <-here's the button (its not an active link here in this post of course)
and when I clicked on it, it said: "This alert will send an email to the Administrators:"
I was juror #4 in blue. I was SURE, ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that the post would be hidden, so that's why I wrote, "Off to hidey-hide land you go"
and then when the jury results came back (2-5 to LEAVE it), I thought well I was sure a dumb-fuck to think this would be a 6-1 or 7-0 hide.
So now I'm laughing my ass off that he got better than a hide -- a full-blown PPR.
The only thing that dampens my mood a bit, is that the home page might be filled with "Trending Now" and maybe even "Greatest Threads" making WillyT to be some kind of martyr that was just posting an article blah blah blah
(with the post title "Thank God I'm Not The Only One..." and all his downstream comments that make clear he shares that opinion. But that part will be left out of the poor WillyT martyr-hero posts)
[hr]
Besides posting in ATA and that Alert Abuse thing in the email, the only other way I know of is to send an email direct to one of the administrators... something one should very rarely do, but in special circumstances like this, I tthink I would have had I not had the "Alert Abuse" option in my email to accomplish the same thing (it seems to take weeks for the admins to get thru the ATA posts, though they may read them all right away, just not respond for awhile .... except for ones on an issue of blatant racism ... one would hope ... well they did come through on this one in very timely fashion !!!!).
kwassa
(23,340 posts)I've posted some things in ATA that were never answered, much less in a timely way. I was looking for a faster process.
brush
(53,475 posts)progree
(10,864 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)OneGrassRoot
(22,917 posts)Cha
(295,925 posts)well with the African American Voters.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)It wouldn't have made the home page or trending column without your post.
Thank you.
Response to Cassiopeia (Reply #12)
NuclearDem This message was self-deleted by its author.
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)Should really cast some sunshine on these happenings.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Seriously, it's us doing you a favor. We wouldn't want you to get our horrible Stockholm cooties.
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)Was just going down the rec list... and low and behold.
JustAnotherGen
(31,683 posts)Catching up this morning - five block messages since I went to bed? Yikes!
For any jurors - we are transparent with our group members and often share discussions of blocks. This way members don't continue to respond to blocked members who can't respond to them. Thanks - Group Host.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)I'm just one of those who think it's a very strong possiblity, and wondering how your response connects with the OP.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)I'm surprise you wonder. The OP didn't come out of the blue, dredging up an old insulting post, but clearly draws attention to another fresh dose of Stockholm Syndrome that the now banned-poster can't get enough off.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)whenever it rears it's disgusting head.
I don't relate to his way of thinking and I have plenty of Bernie friends/associates who've never even come close to uttering such vileness in my face. It's unacceptable no matter how many times he posted it and finally the admins understand that.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)The whole premise was nothing more than a twisting of "What's The Matter With Kansas".
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)He'll keep popping up with this crap forever.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)Who should I jinx next?
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)than non white people and that they need to guide non white people in their decisions.
The Paul Ryan's of the world who say if non whites only had "personal responsibility" things would change, he says this while seeking tax cuts for the richest people in the world so people in Flint can be physically destroyed by tainted water.
And so on and so on.
It seems some of this paternal attitude has seeped into this forum and is directed at black people, mainly.
White privilege plays out in so many different ways.
Coolest Ranger
(2,034 posts)is your best friend.
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)Don't feed the beast. We have no relationship with him.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)... it has just provided an 'excuse' for posting vile racist garbage under the veil of candidate support.
No matter how vigorously I support a candidate or issue it does NOT spark racist (or sexist, homophobic, xenophobic ... ) thoughts in me .... and certainly does not trigger the public expression of racism (or sexism, homophobic, xenophobic ... ) in me or anyone else.
Bigotry , hatred, ignorance are within the person or they are not ... I am sick to death of DU being used as a platform for this
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)The man needs to let the butt hurt flow right through him but he can't.
lib87
(535 posts)Too many angry racist 'revolutionaries'.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)And, on top of it, what good do they think garbage like this is going to do Bernie? I really wonder about some of his "supporters."
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I'm guess the new screen-name will be something really deceptive like "T, Willy."
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Long overdue.
JustAnotherGen
(31,683 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
progree
(10,864 posts)WillyT has been banned.
33 recs : By cyberswede
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027693888
Fortunately, cyberswede just presents the fact that WillyT was banned (I was afraid there would be OP's about WillyT being a hero-martyr who was persecuted by politically correct overbearing Hillary-worshipping free-speech-censoring administrators showing up in "Trending Now" and "Greatest Threads" on the home page, so thankfully that hasn't happened YET)
but, quite a number of the responses in that thread are just like that (sigh)
still_one
(91,965 posts)does send a clear message what will not be tolerated here, and the recognition of that in my view does represent some progress
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)I had a feeling that post was gonna get him banned.