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Related: About this forumIn defense of my friend , ISBM, who is now on a forced hiatus
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7655216BTW, it's evocative of a scene from Mississippi Burning where Gene Hackman's character tells Willem Dafoe's character his poor racist dad killed his black neighbor's mule because he couldn't bear to see a black man doing better than him.
Most definitely misconstrued, and I am afraid purposefully so.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)He was just sharing a common joke. People see any mention of racism and freak out and assume someone is calling them racist. Bad hide.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Geez whiz . . . .
Wilms
(26,795 posts)I never heard that "joke". But I sure have seen what was described. Sorry that got a hide.
SCantiGOP
(13,867 posts)If a check of your profile page is going to show your favorite forum or favorite group as "Hillary Clinton " or "African American," be very careful what you post. Expressing fond feelings for Mom, America or apple pie may get you a 4-3 hide.
BlueMTexpat
(15,366 posts)And the B***S*** alert-stalking continues - directed so overtly at AAs who even remotely use or hint at a certain word, whether open to misconstruction or not. That word is the prerogative of certain people only, it seems.
Irony anyone?
brer cat
(24,544 posts)racism, it would be over!!!!1111ONE
BlueMTexpat
(15,366 posts)see the light, whoosh and racism would be gone.
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)We have to go to our corner and make sure we don't upset the white folks too much...they can only take so much of us...
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Because if I don't laugh, I'll cry. Seriously!
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(175,729 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,971 posts)Disgusting hide.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)I think some of the jurors lack perspective, to say the least.
This should be posted to the administrators.
SCantiGOP
(13,867 posts)for using the word "moron" in a thread. That was all. That was when I knew the jury system was being used as a tool of censorship by a certain faction here.
Number23
(24,544 posts)and it damn sure was NOT a joke, falling seamlessly in line with this person's constant, rage-filled and half-literate attacks on black posters every chance she gets, and a jury let it stand.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Dubiously and allegedly black, truly crazy stuff.
brer cat
(24,544 posts)of the alert stalking that we are told doesn't happen, of the silencing of AA voices..."oh, it was only because they were impolite and didn't play nicely with others"... of thin-skinned alerters and jurors who see only what they want to see and want to make damned sure they only hear what they want to hear. This was a bull-shit hide and I have no doubt there is joyful grave dancing going on in certain quarters. There are times I am embarrassed to be a member of this forum.
"Most definitely misconstrued, and I am afraid purposefully so." +1, brother...you are sadly right.
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)They go and prove you wrong
randys1
(16,286 posts)That is what that hide means.
We knew it all along, sounds about right, GOP 99.9%, DNC 60%...
Number23
(24,544 posts)in a thread that was designed to discuss the endless micro-aggressions on this web site towards black posters and the black community as a whole.
I was like "so let me get this straight. In a thread about micro-aggressions and the endless race-based paternalism on this site towards black people, you decide to leap into this thread and scream at a black poster that DU is not racist and thus unintentionally prove the entire point of this OP?"
It was so stupid I swear the OP must have paid them $5 to illustrate the exact counter-productive and race-based paternalism that he was denouncing in his OP. It was beyond ridiculous.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)Alert/Hide.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Just political humor on a political site. I could post that and no one would give a single shit
1SBM
vdogg
(1,384 posts)They're like the damn wraith. How many members have we lost so far?
vdogg
(1,384 posts)You should be required to give an explanation for your vote. That way the Admin can act as sort of an appeals court and throw out inappropriate hides.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)The overall issue (which occurs also with real-world juries) is that, if you use juries to get some kind of community input into the decision-making process, there will be opportunity for prejudices, misunderstandings, inconsistent verdicts, etc. Many of the proposed "reforms" amount to saying "Do something about the juries that disagree with me."
If an explanation were required, some jurors might just write "violates community standards" -- would that count as an explanation? Even if it would, the requirement of writing at least something, however minimal, might push people toward being a little more responsible.
In view of the consequences of a hide, maybe require the explanation only from Hide voters.
I was on the jury for one of 1SBM's recent hides, and it's notable that the only explanations were from two of us in the minority (I was Juror #5):
And DU:white has a NEW hero ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1365713
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
One of quite a few ugly personal attacks made against johnlucas in this thread. DU deserves a lot better than this.
JURY RESULTS
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Feb 28, 2016, 11:11 PM, and the Jury voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: He said what he said. So be it. It's up to the other poster to decide if he wants to follow up on it.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't see any personal attacks on anyone in the alerted post, and I'm not going to wade through the whole thread to see if johnlucas has been attacked elsewhere and is therefore entitled to a sympathy hide. Alert the posts with the attacks.
The alerted post has a regrettable and unnecessary nastiness toward "DU:white". As a white DUer, I take the alerted post to mean that people are more likely to praise posts they agree with. That valid point could have been made without an insinuation of a racial element. Nevertheless, the transgression isn't great enough to warrant a hide.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
I wonder if requiring the Hide voters to give an explanation might have caused them to stop and think a bit. Perhaps such a requirement would have flipped a vote and prevented a bad hide.
OTOH, I agree with the two oldest hides. "You are a very shallow person" and the reference to "assholery" are personal attacks.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)this shit is ridiculous.
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)from the one he responded to?!?!? And that one didn't get a hide? Ridiculous. They're after the messenger. See his name and they lose their minds.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)This is wrong, esp because 1SBM was an immense help to me talking with him. I'd heard that joke a few times as a kid, but didn't really understand it till I was older-- this is horseshit. ESPECIALLY with the previous poster.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Hackman's character thinks it's kind of funny and Dafoe's character is appalled....
I like the scene where Hackman beat the shit out of the racist guy who beat his wife.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)My mother used to quote it all the time though. But just thinking how that must have gone over... Yeah. Something like that.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,867 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)Last edited Sat Mar 5, 2016, 02:26 PM - Edit history (1)
in Wild at Heart. It was all in the teeth, sort of like Turturro in O Brother, Where Art Thou?
See?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I am trying to recall his work from memory now.
I am going to check IMDB.
bvf
(6,604 posts)the Richard Pryor and David Lynch connection while you're at it. Two true American geniuses.
bvf
(6,604 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)When I checked IMDB I was reminded he was in Born On The Fourth Of July and now remember the scene where his character and Tom Cruise's character got in a fight in their wheel chairs.
I know he was in a movie with Madonna that I didn't see because I remember my female boss seeing it and saying he was ugly. I never really thought about any actor like that.
BTW, what happened to the Hispanic soldier in Platoon who collected Catholic icon figures to keep him safe. Did he make it?
Also, could you please explain the Richard Pryor reference?
I have seen many Pryor movies including the "autobiographical" JoJo Dancer... I remember a scene where he had a fight with his girlfriend and she said "F--- you and anybody who looks like you." I thought that was a great line.
BTW, as I am sure you know him mom was a prostitute and he was raised around brothels where the clients were mostly white. I can't imagine how that informed his view of the world.
bvf
(6,604 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I thought we were discussing the cinematic careers of Willem Dafoe and Richard Pryor.
bvf
(6,604 posts)Quite right.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Thank you in advance.
bvf
(6,604 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)No shit
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=44686
Why did you follow me to the African American forum to disrespect, denigrate and dehumanize me?
For all the faux superiority you assign to yourself it makes you look petty and in possession of a character deficit.
Number23
(24,544 posts)It's a shame that some people think that getting the last word is so much more important than looking well.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)You need to read the thread in its entirety. What a charmer.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)This is just beyond ridiculous.
blm
(113,037 posts)at DU and even worse than they had in past elections.
I am so sorry - no, I am HORRIFIED that this happened.
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)I don't think I have your optimism that the issues aren't with long-standing members of DU. We have plenty of evidence that high-post DU'ers have engaged in 'tone def' (at the best) dispositions and there are a bunch of "me too" REC's and replies to racist OPs and sub-threads.
I'll have to disagree with your assertion.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)23. You make a very valid point & apparently the diehard BernieBros
would prefer that our votes never counted. It's weird how they tout BS's marching with MLK Jr as a reason minorities should jump on the bandwagon yet argue to disenfranchise us at the first opportunity.
A Jury voted 6-1 to hide this post on Thu Mar 3, 2016, 02:01 PM. Reason: This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
The hypocrisy is astronomical & pathetic.
To 1SBM ignore the haters & hopefully this madness will simmer down.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)and then when you reply with how you actually perceive them, those same posters can alert stalk you and vote to hide your post.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Can't deal with the Jonestown-esque groupthink. I'm on the verge of just trashing both groups, Bernie's and Hillary's, and watching at this point since both my home of record and the state I'm stationed in have had their primaries.
Number23
(24,544 posts)That is post of the freaking week right there.
3catwoman3
(23,965 posts)Did some reading before joining. One of the things that attracted me to DU was how freely people were able to express themselves, quite colorfully at times, and in ways that made my eyes pop open on many occasions, often in admiration and sometimes in astonishment.
What's with all the special snowflakes lately? If something annoys me here, I just move on by.
The requests for jury service have become so frequent that when I get one, my first thought is, "Jeez, another one?"
I don't recall ever having alerted on anything, and have had only one post hidden. I referred to Ann Coulter as "a cold-hearted "rhymes-with-witch," and was shocked at the hide as I was completely unaware that this word is apparently a huge no-no here on DU. I haven't used it again, altho I do stand by my opinion of Ms. Coulter.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)That was a bullshit alert.
I think the jury was huffing paint on that one....
steve2470
(37,457 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)^^^^ Obscenely bullshit hide!!!
What the fuck is wrong with this place?
You hide a joke from a person who is named 1 Strong Black Man?
A well-respected poster here at DU for years. A true friend and mentor to many posters here, black and white, straight and gay, male and female.
To give him his fifth bullshit hide. This was a deliberate declaration of racist trolling.
Whoever alerted on and voted to hide this post should be banned immediately.
Racist trolls: fuck you!
This is my opinion. I am furious.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7655216
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)emulatorloo
(44,096 posts)GusBob
(7,286 posts)Shake my damn head
Complete bullshit
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)WTF????
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)The best defenders of reason are getting repeatedly silenced while callout threads bashing fellow DUers get hundreds of recs even while the person that posted it gets banned by MIRT.
Cha
(297,029 posts)Thank you for this, DSB.
Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)the same candidate, but I still say this is way past ridiculous.
How on God's Green Earth does this even get an alert, much less a hide?
I am teetering on the edge of an "un-forced" hiatus.
I happen to feel the mock-indignation that is being used to bash one candidate or the other is distracting (and destructive), but that is something I can address, and/or ignore, when it happens.
But claiming it's authentic and using it to silence our voices . . . that's the same s*** we've dealt with our whole lives.
Thanks for the post DSB, even if I am ONCE AGAIN saddened.
SCantiGOP
(13,867 posts)I was on the thread were he got his 5th hide; it was absolutely absurd.
He needs to have his suspension lifted.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)They will find outrage in innocence.
I support 1SBM.
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)It may have been indelicate as a post (to some who don't acknowledge that racism can be enhanced by jealousy), but 1SBM was not malicious.
yardwork
(61,585 posts)betsuni
(25,442 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)They've lifted the 'five hides and one can't post' rule.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10135098
I look forward to communicating more with you whenever you wish. Hope you're doing well my friend.
To DSB and everyone who defended our dear friend, a big thank you.