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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 03:00 PM Mar 2016

Can I just point out, I have an OP in GDP asking about the source of HRC's white support

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511390864

It has 3 comments, one of which is from me.

But, honestly, I think that's actually a more interesting question in some ways than "why do black people like Clinton?" It's actually kind of a much more interesting question than what this group gets asked daily, and frankly it's something I think the party should ask, explicitly.

I would really like somebody to talk about white voting patterns as racial voting patterns, which they are even though no commentator calls them that.

More to my actual rage: nobody can admit that white identity is actually a racial issue, which it completely is. "Oh, I'm so non-racist I just never see color". Congratulations. Because the cops you hire fucking do.

What do I want? an actual racial accounting that gets people to simply admit that race exists. That would be a start. We'll move on from there.
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Can I just point out, I have an OP in GDP asking about the source of HRC's white support (Original Post) Recursion Mar 2016 OP
most of her white support is from white women isn't it ? JI7 Mar 2016 #1
I read an article, which of course I can't find now... Starry Messenger Mar 2016 #2
I responded to you question about why I like comradebillyboy Mar 2016 #3

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
2. I read an article, which of course I can't find now...
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 07:00 PM
Mar 2016

that suggested that all of us voting in this coalition together view voting not just as an individual choice, but as a collective social act of good. If I only voted, for instance, for a candidate that reflected 99% of my views, I'd only have Barbara Lee to vote for. But I don't use personal metrics of that kind as the basis of who I support.

I think the extra scrutiny of the voting patterns of Black voters is a result of the Democratic Party's demographic shift. Women are getting the vagina voter charge, in smaller doses here on DU, but it is enough that you can tell the anxiety and anger comes from a certain demographic that is coming to the unpleasant conclusion that they aren't running the table anymore. My .02

comradebillyboy

(10,119 posts)
3. I responded to you question about why I like
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 08:14 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary in your other post so I won't repeat it here. With respect to your other point I can only give you my perspective. As a white man I understand that I am a member of the dominant culture in America. I certainly see other races. I am a product of white middle class values of the 50s and 60s. I understand that other people have different outlooks related to their own life circumstances but I have never been the victim of discrimination based on my race or gender so it is quite difficult for me to see the world in the same way as a person who has been subject to racism. It's just not a part of my life experience. I am old enough to remember de jure segregation. I have gone to segregated schools and integrated schools. I remember my uncle's gas station in Albany Ga with men, women and colored restrooms. I know racism and discrimination continue to exist but I don't have any great solutions to these very difficult questions. But I do know everybody sees color and we see differences more than we see the things that unite us.

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