Is "Stockholm Syndrome" the white liberal version of "the Democratic plantation"?

[YoungDemCA]

They seem equivalent to me. Both are rooted in deeply racist notions that black people don't know what is best for them (yet whites do), and both are deeply offensive to all decent people, but especially to the actual descendants of black slaves - who were the disposable property of their white owners, legally, economically, and physically.

Fuck that vile racist bullshit, whether it comes from the Right or the Left.

[PeaceNikki]

1. I am so very sorry for the bile that's been posted here.

It's shameful.

[Dawgs]

2. Where did "Stockholm Syndrome" start from and is it still used?

I've heard a lot about it but never knew where it began.

[Dawgs]

3. Forget it. I just found the latest link. n/t

[YoungDemCA]

4. I don't wish to call out a DU'er

but the poster who originally said it continues to be a popular member of this site. Go figure.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

6. That's because Skinner and the other hosts and moderators don't give a damn.

No matter how much we AA try to raise attention to this issue, we are dismissed or ignored.

It's sick!

[Digital Puppy]

11. I don't mind calling out his racist post....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251687330

This isn't the first time a racist in liberal clothing has posted something that is tone deaf but after MANY messages public (and privately), this SOB (whose MO is to post shit and then stand back to watch fireworks) refused to take the post down for almost 4 months. Of course Willie's Teat has a bunch of his minions following every post they find offensive to alert stalk, but that doesn't slow down his blanket insults to minority communities usually under the auspices of something like, "I'm just going to leave this right here" or "Can you believe THIS?!?!" or "Look what XYZ said"....mostly never actually discussing the racist, sexists, homophobic issues he lays like a wet turd.

You can see it in the thread above - all he cared about was making noise and breaking records...no discussion or acknowledgement AT ALL about the racist tone, content, and his history of posting racist crap. The thread is a good one to take note of all the REC's and "atta boys" from the DU community who supports these thoughts.

It was this thread that brought me out of lurkdom...it's his goons alert-stalks that are silencing the AA Forum posters. as well.

My $0.02.

[JustAnotherGen]

12. There's a satire site

Out there where she's been given a new persona - I go there to read and respond to that of one.

[SunSeeker]

18. Finally self-deleted, but not before getting 65 recs.

[Digital Puppy]

35. ...and 3.5 months! n/t

[zappaman]

61. +100

Perfctly said!

[Number23]

62. Yep. Got a hide a few days ago for telling that one all about himself

Felt good then. Feels even better now.

[Digital Puppy]

63. Hmph...I'm sorry to hear that, actually.

You know I love your spirit though!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

5. Yep. And that's unfortunately been the history of how white liberals view non-white people...

Only THEY know what's best for black folk.

I even see this attitude play itself out among the most well-meaning white liberals. They don't even realize how condescending and insulting that attitude is. But the sincere one are willing to listen and open their minds. They attempt to be cognizant of that mindset and correct it.

[randys1]

8. Almost ALL White liberals and white cons have one thing in common, white people think

we know better.

Were white, you know.

All men think they know better than Women.

Black and white, pretty much.

But I digress.

Not all, almost all, but yes 99% of us white folks think we know better even if we dont know we think that, and 99% of all men have the same attitude about Women.

if you are in THIS one percent, good for you.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

10. Being a black woman, I know exactly what you mean. Great points all around!

[JI7]

9. the worst are often the ones who think themselves to be so enlightened

And better than others. And this results in them lecturing black people (or other group) about what is best for them.

[Quayblue]

50. Pretty much.

I don't think they're well meaning at this point though.

It's selective reasoning. As much as liberals can breakdown the diabolicalness of the oligarch, yet skip-to-the-loo-my-darling over passive racism, and participate in it themselves.

It's bullshit and it's purposeful.

[JI7]

7. they are pretty much the same thing

[iandhr]

13. Re: Fuck that vile racist bullshit, whether it comes from the Right or the Left.

To use a British expression. Spot on.

[Trust Buster]

14. The veil has been lowered on some.

[MisterP]

15. some DUers do believe that White pols know what's best for AAs if said pols are pro-DP,

anti-marijuana reform, pro-poverty-doubling, outsourcing, and pro-jail

[1StrongBlackMan]

23. You really don't see what is wrong in what you are saying, right? ...

Hint: We don't think any white politician knows what is better for us ... they strike their positions, we either support them, or we don't ... just like all the smart white people!

[retrowire]

16. hi im a white bernie supporter so please correct me if im wrong but

isn't it just one DUer who used that terminology?

[SunSeeker]

17. How many recs did it get? nt

[retrowire]

19. I'm certain it was plenty

myself not one of them.

but is a group of Bernie supporters on DU representative of all Bernie supporters nationally?

it didn't get over 200 recs as typical of the best pro Bernie posts so, it's not even representative of the majority of DU Bernie supporters right?

[SunSeeker]

20. 65 recs is pretty representative, particularly when you look at who rec'd it. nt

[retrowire]

21. well, when the most commonly liked Bernie posts reach around 200 and higher

65 is a reduced slice of it. So hold those names accountable at least.

But I give the benefit of a doubt in this passionate season to some individuals. Sometimes people just Rec things because its pro bernie or they just skim it and don't see the blatantly offensive points being made. Admittedly, I myself went and double checked the meaning of the term Stockholm Syndrome, then after thinking about it, and realizing that it was bad form to use that term, I didn't rec the thread.

But not everyone does that.

[SunSeeker]

31. It's a little more than "bad form."

[retrowire]

34. ok

it is an egregious term that is distasteful and disrespectful to a demographic that is certainly NOT mentally damaged or traumatized because of the government that oppresses us all.

I am sincere with those words and hope they are better received.

[SunSeeker]

40. No. It was not merely "distasteful." It is not merely "disrespectful."

It is what the OP says it is.


What is distasteful and disrespectful is coming into the African American group, a safe haven group of which you are not a member, and implying they don't know what they're talking about when it comes to racism on DU. You disrupt this thread and attempt to downplay what the OP rightfully called racist. You insist the "Stockholm Syndrome" statement was merely "bad form," "distasteful," "disrespectful." Apparently, you know better than the OP was is and isn't racist.

[Digital Puppy]

46. Agreed, 100% SS...

I'm finding this poster is looking to instigate and excuse this behavior which makes me put them on the list of Rec'ers and foot stompers to Wiliie's Tee OP.

This person can't be that stupid to think they aren't transparent...

Worse yet, they could actually believe that they know best and feel the need - no duty, to educate us poor, stupid, unsophisticated AA Forum members.

I think you, 1SBM, and others have given this person too much time and energy in this thread...half of which is dedicated to dealing with this persons deflections.

[retrowire]

48. So my post 34 isn't condemning enough of that posters actions?

I'm not trying to educate anyone!

I clearly don't agree with that poster's statements. I don't see how anyone thinks I'm trying to educate anyone? Why imply that AA members are "poor, stupid and unsophisticated?" I never, ever, EVER implied that. That is horrid.

[randys1]

22. There is obviously a national problem with Bernie supporters, being very difficult and

obnoxious to sensitive of the race issue

this REALLY pissed me off, a Bernie supporter from before most here knew who he was

[retrowire]

27. its an obvious national problem because of a post on DU?

I agree there's a national problem, but the bad apples of Bernie supporters don't really equate to there being a campaign wide problem for Bernie supporters.

There's alot of stupid people on all sides in this race. Bernie supporters are no exception.

[1StrongBlackMan]

24. 1 Poster and 65+ supporters + the 100s ...

that haven't bothered to weigh in, or condemn it.

Those are depressingly impressive numbers for a website, with so many progressives ... No?

[retrowire]

25. ... so we should hold everyone accountable for the actions of a section of its group?

I never recd the thread and I don't agree with the sentiment but, do all Bernie supporters need to rec a thread denouncing it in order to clear our name?

[1StrongBlackMan]

28. Both, Edmund Burke and Dr. Martin Luther King ...

answered that question ... almost two centuries apart.

[retrowire]

29. alright cool

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1367143

I await the 100's of Hillary supporters to denounce this Hillary supporters denegration of the millennial demographic by suggesting that we all are lazy and too busy playing our xbox's.

or should I make an OP about it?

[1StrongBlackMan]

30. That is exactly the same! Nevermind ... ! eom.

[retrowire]

32. please clarify. exactly the same as what? nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

36. Assigning a psychological condition to Black folks' reason for supporting HRC ...

is exactly the same as suggesting that Millennials don't vote because they are politically unengaged and otherwise occupied is exactly the same.

[retrowire]

37. yes!

and since this OP and you want 100's of Bernie supporters to call it out and denounce it, then I expect the same of those who expect it of me.

since you expect all Bernie supporters to be held accountable because of the actions of one person, why can't I expect that of those that support Hillary?

And thanks for understanding the millennial comment was stupid.

[1StrongBlackMan]

38. One statement was stupid ... the other was malicious and carries 400 years of history ...

but like I said, never mind.

[retrowire]

39. hey no doubt that that statement carried 400 years of history

but let's not pretend that older generations haven't mocked younger generations for ages either.

I'm not here to minimize the severity of either offensive comment. my only point is that neither of us should be expected to be held accountable for every single stupid thing our peers say.

I wouldn't want to be measured by the foolish comments made by the few bad apples in my group, would you?

[1StrongBlackMan]

41. How about we just stop, here? eom.

[retrowire]

42. you really don't like middle grounds do you? nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

43. I detest false equivalencies cast out to make bullshit points. so, Please ...

Just stop.

[retrowire]

47. I never ever ever meant to minimalize the plight of black people.

Nor did I intend to equate it to the timeless generational gap of young and old.

There is no doubt in my mind that black people as a whole have a much more urgent need for immediate action, and that differences of young and old will be a timeless thing.

So please don't misunderstand. I in no way mean to step on what really matters here in this moment. Your struggle, I DO care about.

Again, all I'm saying is, let's not hold everyone accountable for the actions of a few. Is that middle ground really a bad thing?

[1StrongBlackMan]

49. Bullshit! That is exactly what you attempted to do ...

and poorly, at that.

There is no "middle ground" in confronting racism.

[retrowire]

52. Welp.

I'm being considered a racist am I?

You're right, I should end conversing with you. You are truly strong.

You know, despite all of our disagreements I've always kept you off of my ignore list because I've found you so well spoken and knowledgeable. I've found you logical and cool in spite of a lot of bullshit. But no matter what, you and I always seem to lock horns. I don't know what the fuck it is 1SBM. I really don't.

I really thought I could see eye to eye with you. But it really feels like a "my way or the highway" persona with you sometimes. I can tell you point blank that I never tried minimizing the struggle of black people. I can tell you exactly how I intended to come off but fuck it. It's how you see it that matters. My intentions mean jack shit.

I think I know what keeps you from seeing me for what I am, but I won't say it. Do you think there's a chance we could ever see one another eye to eye? At all? Because despite your impression of me, I can assure you, I'm not your enemy.

[1StrongBlackMan]

53. Stop it! Where did I say anything damn thing about you being a racist? eom.

[retrowire]

55. I thought you implied I was being racist

by suggesting that I was minimizing the problems that AA's face today. Apologies if I misinterpreted this...

God damnit.

[1StrongBlackMan]

56. You can trust, if I thought you were I racist, our interactions would be markedly different ...

if I engaged you, at all.

[retrowire]

57. I will continue to try. I won't see you in a bad light. I'm sorry for aggravating you. nt

[Digital Puppy]

45. SMH...

[Digital Puppy]

44. You do realize that you are looking more and more like an instigator and lecturer...

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My take on your contribution to this thread is you are thinking:

1. "You are overstating the problem expressed in the OP...It's not that bad...."
2. "You all should get over it, everyone is doing it..."
3. "You don't understand the larger point *I* am trying to make!"..."Why don't you listen?!?!?"

Now, that may not be your ultimate disposition, but that is my impression reading what you have written in this thread. My suggestion is that if you agree that it's a big f'ing deal that a high-post-count-DU-flamethrower operates under different rules than the minority he pontificates about, then you need to say that and stop making excuses for he and his ilk.

I don't need to understand why an ignorant, racist, smart-ass can exist here at DU, he just does. I get that.

I find it interesting how many people agree with his *pattern* of racism and willful ignorance.

[1StrongBlackMan]

51. I was with you until here ...

I find it interesting how many people agree with his *pattern* of racism and willful ignorance.

They claim not to agree with his *pattern* of racism and willful ignorance, they just think it is what it is, so let's focus on the "bigger" issue ... they ones that affect ME.

[retrowire]

54. I sincerely do NOT intend to instigate anything.

I don't intend to minimize WHAT he said.

I intend to minimize the idea that HUNDREDS of Bernie Supporters agree with it, as the OP implies.

I certainly didn't condone it. But I'm also stating that i'm not my brothers keeper, nor should I, or hundreds of other Bernie supporters be expected to hold accountable the few bad apples on our team. I will call out people time to time. But because of the amount of bad apples (on both sides) I can't be expected to call them all out, none of us can.

That is all I'm saying.

[Digital Puppy]

59. I appreciate that, honestly. It is good to have an ally who listens

I try my best not to post in anywhere other than this forum and have learned a tremendous amount from being here. I am very protective of this forum's content and give a critical eye to those who come in from the outside - especially when I'm not comfortable with their 'delivery'.

I'm not sure I agree with you about the numbers of dumb-ass supporters of ignorance and racism here at DU, but I hope that I am proven wrong.

Please keep your eyes and ears open for those of us who don't venture into the BS/HC/GD-P area.

[santabill]

26. OK

OK

[SunSeeker]

33. K & R

[Starry Messenger]

60. K&R

[thucythucy]

64. I would never have thought of that

but now that you say it, it makes perfect sense.

But I always hate it when people use psycho-jargon to patronize people with whom they disagree. It's doubly hateful when it's done to people who have traditionally been dissed, degraded, dehumanized, and have life experiences that the "expert" in their psychology has made not even the slightest effort to understand.

"Stockholm syndrome." I bet the person who posted thought he was being oh so very clever. Ugh.