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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:26 PM Jan 2016

Racial Profiling Alleged At Bernie Sanders Rally In St. Paul

THURSDAY, JANUARY 28, 2016
BY MIKE MULLEN


<...>

A handful of black activists are claiming they were racially profiled and denied a privilege they hadn't even asked for. The claims led to an ongoing fight on Twitter; the messy fallout is another example of the fragile alliance of liberals, radicals, and youths Sanders has to capture and preserve to overcome Hillary Clinton.

Initially the tale unfolded in a long train of tweets from a number of different people. Fortunately, someone in the affected group gave a more comprehensive version of the story to the This Week in Blackness podcast, which retold that side's story yesterday. A group of seven young black women had gone to the rally to hand out fliers to raise awareness about Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), and its effect on the local African immigrant population.

After they arrived, someone from the Sanders campaign approached the group, and asked if they'd want to stand on the platform behind the candidate during the speech.
These spots are prime real estate for winding up on local or national TV coverage, and event planners are known to go out of their way to throw together a collage of people with varying ages, looks, and races.

<...>

Soon enough, a campaign organizer had a change of heart. Someone had tipped Sanders' people that this group was planning a disruption of some kind during the senator's speech.

<...>

The Sanders staffer approached the crowd waiting to get on stage, and identified a handful who were no longer welcome to those special spots. The moment was caught on cellphone video, later tweeted out by one of the people barred from the stage. According to the people involved, the campaign worker pointed out black attendees, only, including some who weren't even affiliated with the activist group

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Racial Profiling Alleged At Bernie Sanders Rally In St. Paul (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 OP
I was just saying the Bernie staffer did a GIGANTIC disservice to his boss. randys1 Jan 2016 #1
Interesting how all the posts are multiplying with "allegations" about Sanders as HRC's numbers drop guillaumeb Jan 2016 #2
This was alleged by people at the rally Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #3
I did read the article. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #4
It's so fascinating that you are willing to completely dismiss this story because you find it Number23 Jan 2016 #9
You are mischaracterizing my point. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #13
it does matter if those supporting him are doing this, the fact is most black people don't hate JI7 Jan 2016 #15
Thanks for weighing in on this JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #20
no, SAnders would not JI7 Jan 2016 #24
I agree JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #26
I agree with your comments about some of his supporters. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #73
unlike the trumpchumps supporting heaven05 Jan 2016 #119
You don't get to tell an AA focused forum discussing something that happened to other AA people Number23 Jan 2016 #18
I am not telling anyone what they should consider to be important. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #74
You actually wrote Number23 Jan 2016 #76
you will heaven05 Jan 2016 #104
I have really missed you Number23 Jan 2016 #110
somewhat heaven05 Jan 2016 #115
I've learned so much from DU, I could write a book. For YEARS I never understood why the American Number23 Jan 2016 #117
That is what you did like it or not Coolest Ranger Jan 2016 #99
That's exactly what you are doing Empowerer Jan 2016 #111
So he gets a free pass forever because of some marches and some votes in Congress? pnwmom Jan 2016 #77
How would they know Cali Dem is AA? are they? morningfog Jan 2016 #52
He has stated it many times on DU. But even if they didn't know, the name of this forum Number23 Jan 2016 #53
I don't know the race of most posters. morningfog Jan 2016 #56
Well now you know. And instead of chasing him into this forum to discuss whether or not he's Number23 Jan 2016 #58
Oh please. Spare me. morningfog Jan 2016 #61
"this is not the first time I've posted here before" It's amazing how many people that are clearly Number23 Jan 2016 #66
Learn something everyday. morningfog Jan 2016 #72
"I don't believe the OP posts in good faith" Number23 Jan 2016 #75
Coming into the AA group to insult Cali_Dem is offensive. A personal attack.. Cha Jan 2016 #112
"You claim Cali is an AA" mcar Jan 2016 #68
Cali Dem doesn't "post flame bait posts." Unless by that you mean posts pnwmom Jan 2016 #78
LOL! morningfog Jan 2016 #81
Exactly.. it's so damn obvious. Cha Jan 2016 #113
And you wonder why black folks aren't "feelin' the bern". Look no further than the nearest mirror. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2016 #11
Please see post #13 guillaumeb Jan 2016 #14
Ugh. pnwmom Jan 2016 #79
What's the problem? Bernie's campaign just trying to be inclusive. Akicita Jan 2016 #5
The News Cycle JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #21
Answer to - Yes, Invite them to disrupt your event - No. Akicita Jan 2016 #28
This is America JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #31
I don't diagree with anything you say. I'm just asking why would the Sanders campaign invite Akicita Jan 2016 #38
Asked answered JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #39
O'Malley was mayor of Baltimore. He's had lots of practice pandering. Based on the conditions there Akicita Jan 2016 #71
You should start that post JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #94
actually i think compared to african americans in other parts of the country the ones in Baltimore JI7 Jan 2016 #95
Thanks. I don't know much about the conditions in Baltimore except what's been on the Akicita Jan 2016 #107
the problem with cops is nationwide JI7 Jan 2016 #108
Agreed about the cops nationwide. I'll check out the O"Malley group. Akicita Jan 2016 #109
Yes we did win in Furgerson yesterday! FrenchieCat Jan 2016 #41
That is fantastic, glorious news, Frenchie Number23 Jan 2016 #43
I put up the links on some of the News stories feature those organized protests on that thread here FrenchieCat Jan 2016 #46
Where did you put them???? Number23 Jan 2016 #48
Over at the other thread here...the one on Ferguson! FrenchieCat Jan 2016 #50
Awesome! JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #45
Kudos for your daughter. Hopefully reform will start spreading. Akicita Jan 2016 #70
She sounds as kind and caring lovemydog Jan 2016 #96
the whole human race is an anti-bernie conspiracy except the sanders forum lol nt msongs Jan 2016 #6
You are actually going to have the nerve to come in the AA GROUP and post that garbage Coolest Ranger Jan 2016 #100
"Are you saying they're part of some kind of conspiracy to help Hillary?" Yes. kristopher Jan 2016 #23
I'm an O'Malley Supporter JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #34
"Focus on policy and voting record - not personal attacks." kristopher Jan 2016 #36
Knock it off JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #37
This thread is a sleazy attack on Sanders. kristopher Jan 2016 #40
We ask people two things JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #42
Well.... kristopher Jan 2016 #51
I don't get it? JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #54
Are you with us? JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #57
Are you with us on Holtzclaw? JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #59
Are you with us (UN investigation) JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #60
Are you with us? Say Her Name! JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #62
The only people that have ever called Sanders a "racist" has been his supporters Number23 Jan 2016 #44
You have the patience of a Saint JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #47
Girl, half of this board would STRONGLY disagree with you! Number23 Jan 2016 #49
That boy won't go away JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #55
No one here lovemydog Jan 2016 #97
What are the precise numbers, and on what objective measure are those numbers based? LanternWaste Jan 2016 #7
If you can't discuss the piece then why bother posting in this forum? Number23 Jan 2016 #8
There are three in here JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #65
BEYOND transparent. Though they -- as usual -- claim to have posted here before Number23 Jan 2016 #67
One did just looked back two years JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #69
Here's a link to an interesting interview about the incident. Sancho Jan 2016 #10
Mahalo for this, Sancho. Cha Jan 2016 #118
Can anyone here give me a bit more info about this bit of the story? Number23 Jan 2016 #12
I'm digging into it JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #17
Thanks, baby! Number23 Jan 2016 #19
I have acces to some OFAC BIS stuff JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #22
There are some 90k immigrants from Africa in Minneapolis JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #25
Wow, so they are basically refugees from disease ravaged places in Africa Number23 Jan 2016 #29
More than 40k JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #35
Thanks Cali JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #16
this is a good point, Bill Clinton was regularly heckled by black protestors JI7 Jan 2016 #27
My thing with O'Malley JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #33
. Perogie Jan 2016 #30
It wasn't just the seven JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #32
. Perogie Jan 2016 #63
On the stage JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #64
The black people on the stage were told to get off -- even ones not part of this group. n/t pnwmom Jan 2016 #80
Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #82
Something tells me you're not gonna be around for very long. Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #83
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2016 #84
For now. Unfortunately, they'll be back. uppityperson Jan 2016 #86
Racist poster called out! (And hopefully will be banned!) Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2016 #85
What did the post say? Number23 Jan 2016 #87
Said we "niggers" (exact word) better vote for Sanders and some other stuff. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2016 #88
Oh now, LS, I'm sure he meant "nigger" in his most complimentary and persuasive terms Number23 Jan 2016 #89
Of course. We "niggers" need to stop being so sensitive and know our place. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2016 #90
Complimentary indeed. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2016 #91
You guys are just too hard on people! Number23 Jan 2016 #92
You're right. I'll try to do better in future. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2016 #93
+1000 heaven05 Jan 2016 #105
I had a couple of his supporters on facebook Coolest Ranger Jan 2016 #101
not surprising or shocking heaven05 Jan 2016 #106
K&R! stonecutter357 Jan 2016 #98
I don't post in this group very much. Mainly just read in here. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #102
if found to be true heaven05 Jan 2016 #103
"As he spoke, there was indeed a lengthy interruption during Sanders' speech, as seen on live-stream Cha Jan 2016 #114
K&R betsuni Jan 2016 #116

randys1

(16,286 posts)
1. I was just saying the Bernie staffer did a GIGANTIC disservice to his boss.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:28 PM
Jan 2016

I would want them on that stage ESPECIALLY if they were going to protest.

I could then let them, show that I dont want to silence them, and then I would get $1 million worth of free publicity from all national news outlets

I want to believe someone on that staff understands this now.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
2. Interesting how all the posts are multiplying with "allegations" about Sanders as HRC's numbers drop
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:40 PM
Jan 2016

The negative posts about HRC seem to consist of factual posts about actual positions and behavior.

Amazing how desperation can lead people to throw mud. Not very inspiring, not very progressive, just negativity.

By the way, this is the second, identical post with these allegations.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
3. This was alleged by people at the rally
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:43 PM
Jan 2016

Did you read the article?

Are you saying they're part of some kind of conspiracy to help Hillary?

This story has nothing to do with Hillary.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
4. I did read the article.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:48 PM
Jan 2016

And allegations are called allegations because they are unproven.

A conspiracy? Only in the sense that the corporate media, seeing Sanders popularity growing, recognizes that he does constitute a threat to business as usual. Thus the media will search out such stories.

Thus all the stories about impossibility of really changing things. Better to vote for cautious incrementalism rather than substantive change. Real change makes the 1% unhappy.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
9. It's so fascinating that you are willing to completely dismiss this story because you find it
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 04:59 PM
Jan 2016

unimportant. And will come into the AA forum to tell an AA poster (Cali_Dem) and others that we shouldn't find it important either.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
13. You are mischaracterizing my point.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 06:32 PM
Jan 2016

If Sanders had a history of ignoring minority issues, if he voted against issues that are important to minorities, this might be relevant. But he does not have such a history. He has never had such a history.

So a story like this, an unsubstantiated (so far) allegation, should be given little credence. If more information is presented, if information shows that this ejection represents official policy, my view would change.

JI7

(89,174 posts)
15. it does matter if those supporting him are doing this, the fact is most black people don't hate
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 06:49 PM
Jan 2016

Clinton. even in 2008 against Obama most did not hate her and would have supported her if she had won the nomination.

so if people feel the same about both candidates things like this can make a difference.

but this has gone so beyond that.it's just fucking offensive .

his own campaign told his supporters to behave.

JustAnotherGen

(31,681 posts)
20. Thanks for weighing in on this
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 07:04 PM
Jan 2016

If Senator Sanders had known - do You think he would have approved?

This man has been winning for many years - he knows how to win. Would he have approved?

I don't think so.

JI7

(89,174 posts)
24. no, SAnders would not
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 07:13 PM
Jan 2016

i think this is one reason his campaign finally had to tell his supporters to respect others.

i wonder if people like Natalie Jackson who endorsed Sanders and was attorney for trayvon martin's family said some things since she probably knew what happened to Sybrina FUlton when she endorsed Clinton.

it's clear there is a lack of control in this campaign and i don't think he was prepared for it . and i think people with not the best intentions may have been able to take advantage and get on it .





guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
73. I agree with your comments about some of his supporters.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 10:26 PM
Jan 2016

This type of stereotyping is counterproductive and revealing.

The sad fact is that bigotry is everywhere. I have seen coded language at DU, sometimes directed against blacks, sometimes directed against Muslims. It should be called out whenever it comes up.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
119. unlike the trumpchumps supporting
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 11:15 AM
Jan 2016

Last edited Wed Feb 3, 2016, 10:38 AM - Edit history (2)

The fascist, who by the way is rolling in their adoration like a dog in a pile of manure, I can't believe that Sanders appreciates some supporters like are found here who claim to be progressive and liberal yet have shown their TRUE political, cultural and racial inclinations/leanings by statements that leave a POC out in the cold, politically and racially, again.

HRC is a centrist, just like many here, who's past voting record and perceived racist shenanigans by both she and Bill during her run against our current POTUS and during the other democratic administration leaves a lot to be desired by this POC

Sanders only has to let his staff filter it down through the ranks that racist, ignorant supporters better go back underground with their hate and hide the racist knives and get back to smiling in the faces of those they hate, as has been done for generations, and continuing to fake their enforcing liberal progressivness. IF he should win the nomination he would as HRC would get my vote. Even if O'Malley should slip in the same goes.

Yet it cannot be denied that a lot of dubious supporters of Bernie have caused a lot of problems to their candidate by offending good POC who possibly would have voted for BS and have poisoned the air for decent and civil debate irredeemably. And I see civility degrading much much more here, racially and politically, in the coming year.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
18. You don't get to tell an AA focused forum discussing something that happened to other AA people
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 06:54 PM
Jan 2016

what is and is not important and what is and is not relevant.

We are fully capable of determining that for ourselves and find your intrusions unnecessary and unwanted. Primarily because it is very clear that they are coming solely from your desire to protect a presidential candidate and do not even remotely stem from a genuine interest in the issue at hand.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
76. You actually wrote
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:10 PM
Jan 2016
If Sanders had a history of ignoring minority issues, if he voted against issues that are important to minorities, this might be relevant. But he does not have such a history. He has never had such a history.


So you were coming here to tell us what we should consider important and relevant.

Your attempt to shut this thread down served the entirely opposite purpose. And I think I'm done explaining all of this now so it would just be great if you could please just drop this. It's a waste of time and especially mine.
 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
104. you will
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 10:42 AM
Jan 2016

Never get past the entitled blindness of the many here and elsewhere. You are right on the mark

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
115. somewhat
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:16 PM
Jan 2016

Just basically watching the kabuki theatre here. And the descent into madness by many here. I've been taught some very good lessons on hypocrisy from this site. Also it has made me understand racism, expected entitlement of a subculture of Americans much better. Have made only the decision to vote for whoever we put out there for the GE. Just to try to keep the fascists out of power. Will be the further degradation of our 'democracy'. Glad to see you and the few true thinkers still trying to pierce the darkness here....I'm out here letting people know about how our system really works for people who are not sheep and followers of the 'verbal bling'.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
117. I've learned so much from DU, I could write a book. For YEARS I never understood why the American
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 06:33 PM
Jan 2016

left seemed to be so ineffective and actually reviled in certain quarters.

And not that I think for one minute that the vast majority of the folks here screaming about much of a "corpratist" everyone is and how they are perfectly willing to let America burn so that it can be "rebuilt" represent the legitimate left but if they show up even every once and a while at leftist causes, I can totally understand why so few want anything to do with them.

Coolest Ranger

(2,034 posts)
99. That is what you did like it or not
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 09:02 AM
Jan 2016

it's a common trait among many of Senator Sanders supporters and its why the BBC is calling them out on it

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
111. That's exactly what you are doing
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 10:43 PM
Jan 2016

And the facts that: 1) you felt perfectly entitled to come into this forum and do that; and 2) you either don't realize that's what you are doing or you are being purposefully disingenuous, are perfect illustrations of the attitude and behavior of many Sanders supporters that many African Americans find to be condescending and tone-deaf.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
77. So he gets a free pass forever because of some marches and some votes in Congress?
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:33 PM
Jan 2016

Sorry, it doesn't work that way. If this happened, whoever did it SHOULD be criticized.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
53. He has stated it many times on DU. But even if they didn't know, the name of this forum
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:43 PM
Jan 2016

is clear at the top of every page making it pretty clear who that poster is trying to convince that this is not an important issue.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
56. I don't know the race of most posters.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:47 PM
Jan 2016

And I know that posters in the forum are not all African American. I have never seen Cali dem say they are AA. Obviously, I'm my saying they haven't said that or that they aren't. I simply don't know.

But I know they post flame bait posts, almost exclusively.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
58. Well now you know. And instead of chasing him into this forum to discuss whether or not he's
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:50 PM
Jan 2016

actually black, you could put him on ignore and spare yourself his "flamebait" as well as the trouble of visiting this forum, which you have done for the first time ever for the sole purpose of discuss Cali_Democrat and not to discuss any of the hundreds of topics on issues of importance to black Americans.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
61. Oh please. Spare me.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:54 PM
Jan 2016

Last edited Thu Jan 28, 2016, 10:05 PM - Edit history (1)

I isn't chase anyone anywhere. This post is on the latest page and this is not the first time I've posted here. Save your petulance.

I now know that you claim Cali is an AA. That doesn't change a thing about their posting habits.

And I'll make my "ignore" decisions on my own, thanks.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
66. "this is not the first time I've posted here before" It's amazing how many people that are clearly
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:29 PM
Jan 2016

not interested in this forum or its posters always make that claim.

I now know that you claim Cali is an AA. That doesn't change a thing about their posting habits.

I never said that it did. You started this pointless exchange by coming in here -- one of the apparently HUNDREDS of times you've posted in this group though I've never seen it -- to ask if he was really black in response to my post asking a non-black DUer why they are trying to instruct black posters in this forum on what is and is not important to black people.

So given what you have and have not taken issue with in this very thread, it doesn't surprise me in the least that you find Cali's posts to be "flamebait."

Now that I've informed you that Cali is indeed AA, if there's nothing else....?

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
72. Learn something everyday.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 10:05 PM
Jan 2016

This is an immensely valuable forum, one that I read often and have posted in and recced posts in. Certainly not hundreds of times, never claimed that.

The post came up in the latest feed. I generally distrust everything the OP posts because I don't believe they post in good faith. Their motives are suspect. I responded to your post simply to ask how one would know the race of anyone on DU. With a very few exceptions (now including Cali), I don't know the race, sex, gender expression, sexual orientation or nationally of any poster. I generally know only what they post of their politics.

So, no, nothing else.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
75. "I don't believe the OP posts in good faith"
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:05 PM
Jan 2016

You've made that immensely clear. Why you are still doing so now is the only question.

So, no, nothing else.

Finally.

Cha

(295,905 posts)
112. Coming into the AA group to insult Cali_Dem is offensive. A personal attack..
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 08:15 AM
Jan 2016

That would be like me going into the BS group and saying I don't think one of you "posts in good faith".

I would be blocked in a NY second. Course I never would because I respect boundaries. But, even if it weren't the AA Group where Cali_Dem is a member.. wherever.. it's a bogus accusation.

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
5. What's the problem? Bernie's campaign just trying to be inclusive.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:07 PM
Jan 2016

When informed that the group may be planning a disruption they were not invited. I don't see the problem. Why would a campaign want to put people who may want to disrupt their campaign event up on the podium?

JustAnotherGen

(31,681 posts)
21. The News Cycle
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 07:05 PM
Jan 2016

It could have been a moment for - I agree!

Instead - its now a 'defense'.

These people either want to work for us or currently do. That means you have to answer to people - the good and the bad.

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
28. Answer to - Yes, Invite them to disrupt your event - No.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 07:23 PM
Jan 2016

If they had grievances with Bernie it seems a private meeting to discuss would have been more appropriate. If they weren't satisfied then they could try to disrupt but why should Bernie's campaign invite them up on stage ahead of time to do so?

JustAnotherGen

(31,681 posts)
31. This is America
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 07:36 PM
Jan 2016

The mouth and the pen are as I important as the gun.

Good, bad, indifferent - the next President is going to have to deal with loud black people.

We won in Ferguson yesterday

And we didn't need a savior (other than Eric Holder) to make it happen.

God bless Eric Holder and Obama for giving him the avenue to get it done.

Tip of the iceberg - America - not just Sanders supporters have to accept -

While you were hating bankers - we are indifferent to America. Indifference is dangerous.

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
38. I don't diagree with anything you say. I'm just asking why would the Sanders campaign invite
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:00 PM
Jan 2016

anybody to disrupt their event.

JustAnotherGen

(31,681 posts)
39. Asked answered
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:02 PM
Jan 2016

O'Malley walked his ass into the eye of the storm in Baltimore. He rubs shoulders and isn't afraid of angry black folks. It showed grit.

Sanders needs a moment like that in the black community.

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
71. O'Malley was mayor of Baltimore. He's had lots of practice pandering. Based on the conditions there
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 10:04 PM
Jan 2016

for AA's it doesn't look like he did much good. But I may be wrong. What wonderful things did O'Malley do
to turn things around for Baltimore AAs during his term?

JustAnotherGen

(31,681 posts)
94. You should start that post
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:50 AM
Jan 2016

In the group. This is about a Sanders employee's behavior.

Click the start thread option at the top of the group, type content, then click post. Type in subject line - Posted to African American Group then subject.


Or type that disclaimer at the top of the OP so you get regular responders to the group.

This way, the Group Hosts will know it is a topic to watch closely.

JI7

(89,174 posts)
95. actually i think compared to african americans in other parts of the country the ones in Baltimore
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 04:28 AM
Jan 2016

are in a better situation .

o'malley also ended the death penalty.

and most black people know one individual isn't going to be able to change things but they can see who is trying to do it.

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
107. Thanks. I don't know much about the conditions in Baltimore except what's been on the
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:25 PM
Jan 2016

news lately with the cop problems. The complaints from AAs I have heard on the news do not shine a good light on Baltimore or justice for AAs there.

Good that he ended the death penalty. I look for results from career politicians, not how well they pander to their constituencies. I admit I should take a deeper look at what O'Malley has accomplished as mayor and gov. before I accuse him of pandering. What are his other major accomplishments?

JI7

(89,174 posts)
108. the problem with cops is nationwide
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:37 PM
Jan 2016

I can't tell you much about him but he had some good supporters who can including in the O'malley group.

FrenchieCat

(68,867 posts)
41. Yes we did win in Furgerson yesterday!
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:20 PM
Jan 2016

My daughter who lived in St. Louis till this past June was quite active on that front!

She organized protests against some of the jails there, and because she is accredited (Master & PHD Harvard/WASHU), she was a spokesperson to the press, and got great press....and so did the issue of the awful jails there....which were detaining folks who didn't have the money to pay BS fines! Jails in horrendous conditions, where guards have prisoners fighting each other, while the guards were betting on the winner, like it was a cock fight!

She's so happy with the fact that changes are happening....even if they are relatively slow! Just thought I'd share!

Number23

(24,544 posts)
43. That is fantastic, glorious news, Frenchie
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:25 PM
Jan 2016

Please pass along my most sincere thanks to your amazing daughter.

Serious props to both of you. You deserve them for raising such an amazing individual.

FrenchieCat

(68,867 posts)
46. I put up the links on some of the News stories feature those organized protests on that thread here
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:32 PM
Jan 2016

about Ferguson changes.

Yes, I'm very proud! of all of our young people! They get it!

FrenchieCat

(68,867 posts)
50. Over at the other thread here...the one on Ferguson!
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:35 PM
Jan 2016

""Justice Department deal with Ferguson MO - a good start" by JustAnotherGen

JustAnotherGen

(31,681 posts)
45. Awesome!
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:31 PM
Jan 2016

Thanks for sharing! I read out loud to my husband - and he said post my theme song for the BLM movers and shakers!

https://m.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
96. She sounds as kind and caring
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 06:25 AM
Jan 2016

as you. Bravo!

Someone from Columbine recently told me that their high school is now a model for anti-bullying. Let's hope Ferguson becomes a model for better community policing. Let's keep spreading the word. Let's keep fighting that good fight.

Thank you for sharing. Thank you to your daughter.

Coolest Ranger

(2,034 posts)
100. You are actually going to have the nerve to come in the AA GROUP and post that garbage
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 09:04 AM
Jan 2016

I don't know if I want to scream or puke at this point

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
23. "Are you saying they're part of some kind of conspiracy to help Hillary?" Yes.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 07:11 PM
Jan 2016

Compared to you saying that Bernie is a racist, your statement is clearly the most likely. Hillary is known for her sleazy tactics, Bernie is known for NOT being racist.

You do the math.

JustAnotherGen

(31,681 posts)
34. I'm an O'Malley Supporter
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 07:43 PM
Jan 2016

What are these 'sleazy' tactics.

Have you ever met her?

She's very warm and she's not a fakey fake phony baloney.


Does she hit all the points on my checklist this election? Nope. But sleazy?

Your words - i remember them in the 90's from GingriNch.


Focus on policy and voting record - not personal attacks.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
36. "Focus on policy and voting record - not personal attacks."
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 07:48 PM
Jan 2016

JAG says while engaging in sleazy, Hillary campaign instigated personal attack on Bernie.

JustAnotherGen

(31,681 posts)
37. Knock it off
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 07:54 PM
Jan 2016

For a first timer in this group - you are acting awfully uppity to a group host who did no such thing.

Be angry elsewhere. We have very little tolerance for that nonsense in this group.

Yes - I chastised you. Because your response was over the top. We just had HUGE win in Ferguson (I started an OP this morning in the group).

You couldn't celebrate a win for black Americans? In the AfAm Group. Really? You could only accuse a Fluffy Princess Sparkle Bunny O'Malley Supporter of "sleazy Clinton tactics"?

Redemption songs . . .

ETA
2 posts - nothing searching back to 2015. You aren't my ally.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
40. This thread is a sleazy attack on Sanders.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:15 PM
Jan 2016

If you want to hide behind the group's ability to exclude rebuttals, that is your prerogative. But anyone pushing the meme that Sanders and/or his campaign is racist on DU should expect pushback.

JustAnotherGen

(31,681 posts)
42. We ask people two things
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:21 PM
Jan 2016

Be respectful of the groups intent.

If you can't - then leave.

It was not a rebuttal - it was a direct personal attack on me - you called me sleazy.

Would you like it if I referred to your wife or mother that way? Why is it acceptable for you? Would it be okay if my husband called your mother that? Because if he knew who you were - he would go out of his way to do it in retaliation.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
44. The only people that have ever called Sanders a "racist" has been his supporters
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:29 PM
Jan 2016

every time they howl and scream when minorities dare to discuss his policies and/or numerous shortcomings in this area.

That's not our fault or our problem. Every politician has shortcomings in this area. But the only ones who howl are a certain cadre of Sanders supporters who are well known for being as homogeneous as they are intolerant of any and all attempts to discuss their candidates actual record. I'm sure that's just a coincidence.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
7. What are the precise numbers, and on what objective measure are those numbers based?
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:58 PM
Jan 2016

"Interesting how all the posts are multiplying with "allegations" about Sanders as HRC's numbers drop..."

What are the precise numbers, and on what objective measure are those numbers based?

Or is yours merely (and I find this somewhat more likely) an allegation unsupported and lacking evidence (which would be somewhat ironic given that it would be the very thing you're indicting others for)?

Number23

(24,544 posts)
67. BEYOND transparent. Though they -- as usual -- claim to have posted here before
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:32 PM
Jan 2016


I don't feel like digging out my microscope and determining whether or not it's actually true. It doesn't have anything to do with how transparent they're being in THIS thread anyway.

Sancho

(9,065 posts)
10. Here's a link to an interesting interview about the incident.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 05:02 PM
Jan 2016

I'm not familiar with the group, but got the link from someone who is...so I listened. Really starts about 9 minutes in...

http://thisweekinblackness.com/aaron-rand-freeman/twib-prime-ep-786-2nd-degree-berns/

The part that got my attention was both the actual story, but also the comment that economic solutions don't fix social injustice. I agree.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
12. Can anyone here give me a bit more info about this bit of the story?
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 05:16 PM
Jan 2016
A group of seven young black women had gone to the rally to hand out fliers to raise awareness about Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), and its effect on the local African immigrant population.


To me, this is the most interesting bit about this story. Much obliged!

JustAnotherGen

(31,681 posts)
22. I have acces to some OFAC BIS stuff
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 07:07 PM
Jan 2016

Let me see if there are alarms/alerts there that I can also find online.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
29. Wow, so they are basically refugees from disease ravaged places in Africa
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 07:23 PM
Jan 2016
More than 40,000 from the three countries live in the Twin Cities, most of them in the north metro. It’s hard to say how many relatives and friends traveled to Minnesota to flee the epidemic last year. Kiatamba estimates between 500 and 1,000 might have arrived.


I think this is an amazing humanitarian policy by the president. And this is the first I'm hearing about it too.

David North of the nonprofit Center for Immigration Studies says he doesn’t think the U.S. government should deport people to a country grappling with a deadly epidemic. But he says giving immigrants an 18-month deportation reprieve and a work permit is an “overreaction.”


What the hell, David? If sending them back to their country is inhumane and horrible -- which it is during an epidemic -- they why is allowing them the right to have a job while they're here an "overreaction?" Apparently he, like most conservatives, think that people should have to choose between being dying in their homes or getting to another country and being treated like prisoners.

Thanks for that article, JAG. It definitely helped explain some things.

JustAnotherGen

(31,681 posts)
16. Thanks Cali
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 06:52 PM
Jan 2016

I have the keyword Bernie trashed to clean up the latest threads feed.

I've got to agree with randy up thread. That campaign employee gave away a lot of free advertising.

JI7

(89,174 posts)
27. this is a good point, Bill Clinton was regularly heckled by black protestors
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 07:20 PM
Jan 2016

but his response to it always made him popular among most african americans. i think because he took control and addressed the issue . he didn't let them continue to disrupt him but he did address what they were saying.

i think it's the same reason clinton's conversation with the blm member did not get a negative reaction from most black people . it's because even if there might have been a difference she still came off as interested in wanting to do something about it .

but in this case with SAnders these people may not have even been protestors but supporters. what would have been the best way to deal with it is to let sanders know about them and what they were doing and sanders could mention them and point them out during his speech as an example of people who are getting involved and doing things and that's what everyone needs to do to get change .

dealing with hecklers is a regular part of this job and it will happen even once they become president. we see it with obama and he is always able to turn it into his favor.

JustAnotherGen

(31,681 posts)
33. My thing with O'Malley
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 07:40 PM
Jan 2016


but his response to it always made him popular among most african americans. i think because he took control and addressed the issue . he didn't let them continue to disrupt him but he did address what they were saying.


I remember those days (first election. I voted in was 92) -

When O'Malley went to Baltimore he became 'real'. He showed that 'grit'.

Sanders needs a 'grit' moment and his staff failed to give it to him.

Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #83)

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
85. Racist poster called out! (And hopefully will be banned!)
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:31 AM
Jan 2016

Christ
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=37678

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is very racist.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:29 PM, and the Jury voted 7-0 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Escort this disgusting BS'er off the premessis.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Hide the post. Ban this first time poster.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This can't be a real user. Can it?
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Racism is alive and well at Democratic Underground. This poster should be BANNED!
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Went back on forth on whether or not this was satire but it goes too far.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
89. Oh now, LS, I'm sure he meant "nigger" in his most complimentary and persuasive terms
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:22 AM
Jan 2016

And with such a sweet and convincing pitch, I know who I'll be voting for now!

Number23

(24,544 posts)
92. You guys are just too hard on people!
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:51 AM
Jan 2016

So what if people call you nigger or minimize or dismiss your issues EVERY FUCKING CHANCE THAT THEY GET. Just like who they tell you to like and everything will be fine!1one

Tarheel_Dem

(31,207 posts)
93. You're right. I'll try to do better in future.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:55 AM
Jan 2016

Last edited Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:51 PM - Edit history (1)



That being said, this is the third time in as many weeks that I've seen the "n" word pop up at DU, and not in a good way. I don't know if it's the same troll that keeps getting zapped, or if it really is a passionate BS supporter. It's getting harder and harder to tell the difference.

Coolest Ranger

(2,034 posts)
101. I had a couple of his supporters on facebook
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 09:14 AM
Jan 2016

call me that same word yesterday. I reported the offending post to facebook before blocking them. then I got notification that their post got removed.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
106. not surprising or shocking
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:02 AM
Jan 2016

Glad their post was not allowed to stand....need more of that oversight on DU generally. Not enough in the political season that people feel allows them to spew their most base and crude comments which turn out to be a true reflection of American culture. Sometimes I wonder why Americans can't get it's program together racially. But then I just end up at the realization(s)again. It and it's large and growing racist subculture doesn't want to. PERIOD!!!!!

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
102. I don't post in this group very much. Mainly just read in here.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 09:34 AM
Jan 2016

I read a short post from #23 yesterday that was really to the point of some things we are seeing. POC at flat out used as a political football here. I truly feel it is a majority of posters doing so. I tried to find some things out about this event yesterday and was either ignored or outright dismissed. I would like to omit many O'Malley supporters from this thought I'm sharing. Overall, they really seem to want to discuss social justice in a very thoughtful manner. I say that as an unapologetic Clinton supporter.

I have to say, I find the conversation here only a bit better. Seems some people who never post in this group have found their way here to bring trouble and completely deflect from the issue. Thanks to those here who have hit on some solid points.

Points with respect to Sanders. This is not a direct reflection on him and his beliefs with race and race relations. The only way I attach anything negative to him is in management. They should have had something in place for an issue such as this. I mean it is simply something all candidates know is going to happen. The young man dealing with this was 1) in way over his head, and 2) completely lacked awareness to race relations. I believe I am being fair and kind in my assessment. I only know him from the video. I believe that is about all that can truly be known from the video alone.

The Sanders campaign cannot have a major dust up that would take over the last couple of days of media coverage before Iowa. The young man was out of his league but he understands this. I think it would be difficult to assess the true intent of the anger he showed. He panicked and showed his lack of sensitivity at best, instinctive racism at worst. People do really messed up things when they are charged with tasks to great for them to handle.

Overall, the issue to me has little to do with Sanders. It is an enormous issue and should be pointed out and discussed. When a cop pulls someone over for DWB, we are all outraged. Here it is becoming clear at least one person was removed for "sitting while black." It is an extension of similar oppressive thought patterns and we should recognize that.

I have zero problem with known protesters being removed from an event like this as politely as the protestors will allow. I also have enormous respect for protesters who use these events to elevate causes. It is a provably effective method. No one should be deflecting, dismissing, or flat out mocking a situation where it appears a person was removed for SWB.

Final note. Am I reading correctly that they were there to protest failed immigration policies? Hero's is what they are.

Edit: FC, after reading on of your posts I felt a moment of pride. Your daughter sounds amazing and seems to be someone fighting on the front lines. That is huge. If I felt proud just reading I can't imagine how proud you must be as a mother.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
103. if found to be true
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 10:36 AM
Jan 2016

Wouldn't surprise me. I have learned a lot about BS supporters by reading their comments on DU and in attending local BS meeting. It was enough for me to understand what an outsider could expect from a lot of his base supporters

Cha

(295,905 posts)
114. "As he spoke, there was indeed a lengthy interruption during Sanders' speech, as seen on live-stream
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 08:22 AM
Jan 2016
video of the event. A small group of black women near the front of the crowd chanted — "Black lives matter!" — at Sanders for an extended period of the speech. The women later told the This Week in Blackness host that they only felt compelled to do so after they felt racially profiled."

I don't blame them for being pissed.. how dare they profile them. How disgusting.
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