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group posters and REGULAR participants in the African American forum. Edit: Although I should qualify that to say that every poster of color on DU is welcome to vote.
To be blunt, I genuinely couldn't care less about the opinions of people who never post in this forum but suddenly want to chime in with who they're voting for.
The beauty of the poll system is that everyone can see who is voting for what. So, if you are not a regular participant in this forum, please refrain from voting. TIA! 
group!" folks who still voted anyway and, as you can see, left their votes even after it was explained to them who we wanted to vote. 
This thing isn't even new anymore. It didn't show up in the Latest tab or anything. And yet... all of these folks are still wandering in to cast their votes. That doesn't look sad and desperate or anything. 
Edit: Just noticed you haven't voted! Why not??? It's for all people of color on DU and/or regulars in this forum.
Because this poll is asking REGULAR CONTRIBUTORS to the AA forum for their opinion. And since we can see who's voting, we can see that alot of you guys' votes don't count even a little bit.
But thanks for playing though, all 9 months late and everything!! 
I don't know why I bother. Might have to bold that bit about regular posters. Doesn't seem to be sinking in.
always lurking, keeping an eye on "things".....
Which is not all that surprising considering there has not been very much lobbying of any candidate in this forum and I think alot of us are pretty ambivalent. I think we've just been spoiled rotten by having a Barack Obama to choose from the last two elections. 
I think what Bernie says resonates with alot of people, but like you said, that doesn't necessarily resonate into votes. There was a really interesting article that I just read that talked alot about how since the 1980s, there has always been a (predominantly white, male) Democrat that gets the early buzz, the big crowds, gets touted in the media as the "one to watch" and then fizzles out. From Gary Hart to Howard Dean and they were very quick to put Sanders in that list as well. The article was written by a former Obama advisor.
His record and platform -
Climate change is creating an opportunity for us to transform our economy - with a living wage - with jobs that cannot be exported and that do not require H1B visa workers. We can have young urban and rural people job ready in a year and ready to build our infrastructure with sustainable methods and procedures.
Hell - those same young people with tuition assistance could be working and then pursuing a collegiate level degree and ready to take leadership positions supported by field experience and hire the strictly collegiate kids when they graduate in 4 or 5 years.
Since they will be earning a solid wage - they will be able to contribute to our social security fund - and me on the other end (per o'Malley) will be paying in based on my entire salary . . .
This will enable us to give our Seniors a raise and our hammer swinging and stood on their feet all day older boomers who physically cannot be asked to put their bodies through that in their 60's can feel comfortable with retiring and knowing we will make sure they have everything they need.
God dammit! They are tired and the rules of the game changed half way through their lives (thanks Reagan for nuttin') - they worked hard they paid in - let them retire comfortably.
But they can't do that without a high earning job secure group of Xers and milkenials. And the Xers can't put their kids through college, keep a roof over their head, pay off their college loans from the 80's and early 90's, AND take care of mom and dad. Milkenials won't be able to start families and make sure their little ones have their basic needs met unless
We change our economy and focus on what is happening now - this minute - and Climate Change adjustment is now.
Note - I started with educating urban and rural young people. Who is in that group.
but now am leaning towards O'Malley (unless Biden decides to run). I like what Sanders says economically overall, but much of it sounds vague (such as when he talks about political "revolutions" , and what his campaign devotes attention to lacks balance between economics, social policy, and foreign policy. O'Malley on the other hand seems to be more accomplished through his political career. I'm still not 100% decided. I'd have very few problems with any of the choices in the GE with the exception of Jim Webb. If JW were to somehow get the nomination, that would be a true "lesser of 2 evils" choice. Forget what people say about Clinton and Obama being "center-right" and "third-way" or whatever--that guy Jim Webb is a true RWer.
are UNDECIDED. 
And a pretty strong majority of minority posters too.
Again, that comes as little surprise. And I think it speaks to the fact that we are still a long way out from the election and that alot of us aren't nearly as charged as we were when he had an Obama on the ballot.
I know that there are still quite a few regulars here that haven't voted yet but I'll be keeping my eye on this poll. I know it's not in any way scientific but it's still interesting.
This is the reason he was called every insult under the sun. This is why they have tried their fucking hardest to run us off this board.
We have been accused of "race baiting," "lying," not actually being black, not actually being Democrats, only caring about rich black people and a whole slew of other unadulterated BULLSHIT. All because we kept trying to tell these stupid, INSULAR people the same thing that those brothers and sisters SCREAMED to them at Netroots Nation.
And now, the whole thing is "well, why are they" (PLEASE notice the people who keep using "they"
yelling at the person who's most likely to help them??11one!" 
Maybe, it's because they don't think that ANYONE is going to help, and especially not the guys on the stage that DON'T CARE ENOUGH ABOUT OUR ISSUES TO HAVE ANSWERS ON HOW THEY ARE EVEN GOING TO ADDRESS THEM.
I'm not even mad. Because the polls and the few remaining black posters here tried to tell these people. And as usual, so convinced of their own intellectual superiority when they are the DUMBEST mother fuckers on the planet, our perspectives were ignored, minimized and completely disrespected.
Brother Malcolm talked about chickens coming home to roost. And a whoooole bunch of 'em just walked through the front gate.
Especially this -
"And as usual, so convinced of their own intellectual superiority when they are the DUMBEST mother fuckers on the planet, our perspectives were ignored, minimized and completely disrespected."
I'm undecided and have been and will be until the nominee is presented. But I watched some footage of Bernie reacting to BLM exercising their RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH and I was so, so, SO turned off. Man... wow...
I tell my daughter all the time that free speech is fine for white dudes but it's not okay for me as a woman, or you as a bi-racial girl. 
to undecided in 24 hours, from reading posts here.
I try not to hold all the arrogant, ignorant posts that are pro-Sanders actually against Sanders. I figure there are ignorant fools who support every candidate. But man oh man. I just can no longer ignore the blindness to racial matters that these so-called liberals keep demonstrating over and over again. I've tried telling them a hundred times that I'm sick of hearing 'economic justice includes racial justice.' I've tried telling them a hundred times that racial matters can be separate from economic matters. I think I've mentioned a dozen times that merely quoting MLK or Malcolm X on economics doesn't mean they weren't first and foremost about racial equality, and that there are many other black writers since then, apart from Cornell West. I've tried telling them a thousand times that President Obama is the best President in my lifetime and that the attacks on him are ignorant at best, downright nasty at worst. Sometimes I think they are all trolls, trying to make the Sanders campaign look racially ignorant. But a lot of them were posting bullshit about the President long before the Sanders campaign. I don't know. Trolls against democrats? I just don't know. I'm undecided for now. It feels better. I want to see a candidate who most strongly understands and supports black lives matter. Frankly I think that's going to happen most locally and at State levels.
Meanwhile I am so fed up with arrogant tone deaf white self-described 'liberals' who are paternalistic fools that I just feel like posting here for a while.
And really it's just a few bad apples. The ones who are terrible don't seem to know because their fellow supporters do not check them on their bullshit. They rec it. And I have never had sooo manh white people DETERMINED to teach me the REAL TRUTH about Dr. king. So Many damn lectures after all the books I've read? What assholes.
Got told by a white dude that ge owns black civil rights just as much as me. I felt like he thought he OWNED ME. Fuck. I have never in all my life...
Lord lord lord!! How did the slaves deal with these paternalistic nincompoops? It was hell on earth, had to be. The blind stupidity.
And all those tips and pointers on how black people should act and protest. Really? Always in ways that won't bother then.
Black lives only matter if black people DO NOT inconvienience white people. Damn shame we gotta have this war. Of course I choose black lives while they choose, 
while it's not my primary reason, the ugliness that has been shown to my President on this board seemed to shift to Hillary, and in most cases by the very same posters.
Job #1 is knowing who your allies are, and it sounds like black folks got an eye opening reminder at Netroots. As many have already stated, the warning signs have been there all along. And 1SBM, among others, has been vindicated.
in a world leader. I don't know about others, but I'm not looking forward to another 4 to 8 years of the obstruction & stalemate we've seen for the seven. If there's a "Democrat" who can get us back to some semblance of regular order, then they get my support.
Capitol Hill shouldn't be some political junkie reality show. Lives & livelihoods are at stake. Currently, we see the simplest things that used to be a matter of routine, bringing our government to the brink, time & time again. It's almost like a sport. The crazies have taken over, and I don't see BS bringing us back from that. If anything, with his rigid ideological stances, I see things continuing to deteriorate.
I'm all for our democratic leaders being strong & decisive, but I don't need them to be a left version of the Tea Party.
voting for. So even though you don't post much, I'd love for you to vote in the poll for who you're supporting!
I would like to see some younger, female, poc being mentored.
I feel exactly the same way.
She can succeed Hillary's two terms.
Thanks for a ray of sunshine Tar! 
<--- but here I am!
And it reflects poorly on their candidate of choice. The challenge, if they really care about BS' campaign, is to get out of the single digits with POC, and with the mistreatment that's going around the web, I don't see that happening.
I saw a strategist on Rev. Al's show last week, and while she was complimenting Sanders on his ability to attract large crowds, she just happened to mention that the crowds all look very much alike. She later reported that she received some of the nastiest, most racist email she had ever gotten from so-called "liberals"/BS supporters. I'm sorry, but these are not people I want as "allies".
I would say...
Finally! Glad, cause I was worried about you!!!
I must have been sleep duing.
Folks keep dropping in and off, numbers keep moving around and folks just insist on voting even though they know their vote is unwanted and unwelcome.
And all that and they're STILL LOSING to undecided.
According to various articles and Twitter. Imagine how door knocking is going to go? They are organizing though.
Ismnotwasm said she was walking around a lake in Seattle, and a guy ridding a bicycle covered in tinsel, playing a tambourine, also covered in tinsel, stopped her. "Do you know Bernie," he asked her.
(Insert your own commentary). 
The rest - I've never seen back here.
I'm serious. I keep thinking 'Why do I have to b th one to explain shit?'
I guess I just do. I'll send my op to him.
I wish there were reliable ways to poll who would win in November before we pick someone
I dont think there are, though
group but are openly and clearly HOSTILE to black posters here. I guess this is yet another fun and exciting way for them to give their ashy middle fingers to the perspectives of minority posters here. I don't know why they think they need to bother. Even if I could erase their votes from this poll, I wouldn't because folks here need to see the quality and caliber of far too many folks that post here and what we have to deal with on a regular basis though I think most are pretty hip by now.
And I wanted to do the poll in the first place because a person who is well known on these boards for being incredibly divorced from reality kept running around hollering that there were more minorities supporting Sanders than Clinton on DU.
YET AGAIN, reality appears to have failed them. 
I try to read a candidates positions before I watch them stump or debate and try to think about my vote as a valuable resource and investment in the future. Which candidate will be more likely to yield returns? It is too easy to get emotional with images. I feel that I can exercise better critical thinking if I read first.
After reading both candidate websites, I felt there was a lot of rhetoric and very little substance to many of Sanders' positions. I agree with him on many issues, but see no concrete plan on how to get them accomplished.
Clinton's statements are full of policy detail. So for instance, she has a policy statement on how to make things better for small business. It might not sound exciting to someone who does not actually own a small business. But I do and can attest that she really gets it there. She has clearly talked to a bunch of business owners and knows the nickel and dime of what we need to succeed. Sanders is talking about big picture economics. But I don't see that he has formulated much policy beyond that. So that was the first point for Clinton, in my book.
On racial justice, Clinton has a bunch of concrete suggestions to make the system better. Some of these are already a priority with my regular, local political organizers, and because I trust their judgment, I trust that she is also correct. Sanders is clearly aware of the problem, but it is all rhetoric. And also, the way he wrote that section borrows terminology heavily from the writing of MLK and Coretta Scott King, which kind of bothers me. This is the one I am thinking of:
“I must remind you that starving a child is violence. Neglecting school children is violence. Punishing a mother and her family is violence. Discrimination against a working man is violence. Ghetto housing is violence. Ignoring medical need is violence. Contempt for poverty is violence.”
Sanders goes on about "Political Violence" "Economic Violence" etc. and talks a bunch about MLK. I love MLK, but using his legacy extensively for a campaign rubs me wrong. So second point for Clinton.
And there is the online Sanders supporters. Third point for Clinton.
She has done more to protect women's reproductive choice, which is huge for me right now. I strongly believe that women should have dominion over their own bodies. The fact that I have a 16 year old daughter is my skin in the game.
On the negative side, I was really angry with her at the end of the last primary. She was desperate, angry and said some things that were hurtful and wrong. Point against Clinton
I liked her debate and Benghazi performances. +2
I was a very early Obama supporter last time, so it is not like I was Hillary Clinton's greatest fan, "voting my vagina" 
, or only willing to go with the sure thing. I was completely persuadable to another candidate.
but I am an AA Forum member. I joined because I find the posts and posters here to be the kinds (great posts, wonderful people) that made me join DU in the first place. This is the only DU forum that I belong to.
Thanks for the poll, bravenak.
I am a proud Hillary Clinton supporter because I believe that she is, by any measure whatsoever, the best qualified candidate for the office of President in 2016. Period.
candidate without trashing and sliming everyone else's.
You can tell alot about a candidate by the type of people drawn to their campaign. Which is something the entire Internet seems to be finally catching on to lately.
BehindtheAegis would be the first person I'd go to about this. He is an incredibly smart, honest and decent person. And he's got exquisite taste in television.
B, I love you but I don't understand this need you have to keep fighting with these people. And if it's leading you to say stupid and hurtful things, you need to own up to them. I am really glad to hear that you have already typed several apologies. But look at the crowd you're dealing with. Do you think that's going to be enough for them?
Look, I'm old but I ain't THAT old...at least I don't think I am...
Truer words have rarely been said.
and so is number23. You have a big heart and I know you are hurting when your friends are attacked for something you said, but don't keep beating yourself up over this. The ones who will continue to drag it up are folks who simply don't matter, and they are going to find a way to abuse you no matter what. Let it go.
I haven't seen this thread since it was posted in July until this a.m. when I followed a link. I am behind HRC and have changed my vote in the poll.
To be honest, at this point given the way a hell of a lot of people and organizations have been treated both online and in person, I believe that you may have been on the cutting edge of a genuine and probably very significant movement.
Standing with Hillary...for Spite
Anyone that could get someone as awesome as you to say such great words about them must be pretty impressive indeed.
Or they just don't care because they must be heard whether anyone likes it or not.
Glad you're off admin. review!
warmhearted.
you can say any damn thing back and no hide. The down side is that they will keep coming at you like a scene from The Birds.... Really glad I took my personal info off the account BEFORE this awful primary began.
You can take the Twitter account private for a period of time if you can't keep up with the blocks. Bothering your family members is sick behavior. I am so sorry to hear about that.
I didn't even notice you were cleared.
I noticed earlier after somebody told me.
