Teen that wore the NRA shirt to school, returns to school, wearing the same shirt.

[GreenStormCloud]

Lots of other teens wore similar shirts to show their support for him.
http://news.yahoo.com/eighth-grader-arrested-over-nra-shirt-returns-school-130218866.html


The town, Logan City, WV, has a population of 1,779.

Back during the Vietnam war SCOTUS decided that you don't lose all your 1A rights at the door of the school.

[geckosfeet]

1. As much as I can't stand Lapierre, I don't get the big deal here.

It's a t-shirt. If he wore a US Marines t-shirt with a pic of a fully armed battle brigade charging across Iraq it would probably be fine.

I also understand the need to reduce gun violence and criminal gun activity. How is telling a kid he can't wear an NRA t-shirt do anything to help?

[Jenoch]

10. Apparently, a Marine t-shirt

was a 'problem' to at least one teacher.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/27/junior-high-teacher-tells-kid-to-remove-marines-t-shirt-or-get-suspended/

[Bjorn Against]

2. The school says he was not suspended for his shirt

O'They say he was suspended for behavior that nearly invited a riot at the school. The link you provide is to the Daily Caller, a far-right racist rag ran by Tucker Carlson. When faced with conflicting accounts with teachers on one side and Tucker Carlson on the other I tend to believe the teacher's version over the bow-tied blowhard.

[gejohnston]

4. do you have a link about

"nearly inviting a riot'? It wasn't in the Yahoo regurgitation.

[Bjorn Against]

6. Read the link in the OP again, it is in there

Of course the article was written by a right-wing nut so it just dismisses what the school says and pretends it must be the shirt, but it does report it.

[gejohnston]

7. the town marshall claimed it

which a police chief of a town that size really is. In all likelihood, he was exaggerating, or the school administration was exaggerating to him. I have a hard time buying that an NRA tee shirt would nearly cause a riot in a rural WV school. I tend be skeptical of all of the media.

[virginia mountainman]

11. I can see a teacher demanding such a shirt be removed.

Causing quite a stir in Logan WV.... I have been to Logan many times, my wife's parents lived their until recently. I cannot think of a more "pro gun" area of a very "pro gun" state. The person at the school that started it over that shirt is beyond clueless.

[GreenStormCloud]

9. Until today I never heard of The Daily Caller.

I don't keep a list of which sources are on what side. Do you claim that he did not return to school wearing that shirt and that there were not lots of other students wearing similar shirts in support of him?

[GreenStormCloud]

12. The story I posted is supported in the following sources. Are they all RW?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/west-virginia-teen-arrested-wearing-nra-shirt-school/story?id=19017896#.UXftyL4o6os

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/21/student-nra-shirt_n_3128715.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

I have noticed that when someone gets all excited about the source it means that they can't debate the article itself.

[Bjorn Against]

15. If you had posted reputable sources initially...

I would not have challenged it, citing the Daily Caller is no different than citing Rush Limbaugh as your source. When you cite known liars don't be surprised when people don't believe then.

[GreenStormCloud]

17. I simply took the top one from Google.

I notice that you still aren't commenting on the story itself.

[Bjorn Against]

18. I did comment on it

I said in the first post I made that the school is saying he was not suspended for his T-shirt, they are saying he was suspended for his behavior.

Before you cite stories in the future you might want to make sure you are citing sources that are actually credible rather than just posting the first thing you see.

[GreenStormCloud]

19. Are you claiming that he didn't go back to school wearing the shirt?

Are you claiming that there wasn't a strong showing of support for him by the other kids?

You didn't comment on him being back in school wearing the shirt or the other kids wearing similar shirts. Those were the items I posted about. You changed to topic to the original story of whether or not he caused a disruption.

And I also commented about the Vietnam school decision on 1A rights, and gave the population of the town.

I linked to Yahoo News.

[Bjorn Against]

21. I never changed the topic, you are trying to narrow the topic

I never said anything about whether he had support from other kids, I am sure he did but I don't think a high school kid getting support from other high school kids for wearing a gun shirt is a huge national news story that I need to concern myself with.

[CokeMachine]

22. Why did you comment then?

It must of been of some concern to you

"I don't think a high school kid getting support from other high school kids for wearing a gun shirt is a huge national news story that I need to concern myself with."

I could be wrong howervr???

[Bjorn Against]

23. I am not concerned about what 8th graders think of a gun shirt...

I do however have a problem with posting articles from a right-wing racist trash site as if it were news.

[CokeMachine]

25. I do believe other links were posted but

if you weren't/arent' concerned then why this comment:

"I don't think a high school kid getting support from other high school kids for wearing a gun shirt is a huge national news story that I need to concern myself with."

I don't believe your comment has anything to do with right wing racist sites.

Again: "I don't think a high school kid getting support from other high school kids for wearing a gun shirt is a huge national news story that I need to concern myself with." Not my words but yours.

[Bjorn Against]

26. My very first comment was about the right wing racist site

You may not have noticed but Green Storm Cloud insisted I give my opinion on what the other eighth graders thought so I gave my opinion that I don't consider it a huge news story. Apparently you don't think I should have responded to him because now you jump on me for responding to the point he insisted I respond to. If I don't respond I get shit from Green Storm Cloud, if I do respond I get shit from you, guess you are both a waste of time.

[GreenStormCloud]

35. But you haven't responded to the OP, except to dismiss it,

and try to change the subject.

[GreenStormCloud]

27. Please notice my OP.

The support that he got from the other kids WAS the topic of my OP.

YOU are trying to change it to a different aspect of the story. It looks like you don't like the fact that he is getting support and are trying to dodge it.

[Bjorn Against]

28. My comment was directly related to the link you posted.

Sorry, you don't get to set the terms as to what I say about the link you posted. My comment was relevant to the article, you can not demand I only focus on one aspect of the article and ignore the rest, nor can you stop me from pointing out that you are posting shit from a right-wing trash site.

[GreenStormCloud]

30. IOW, You are upset that he is getting lots of local support.

So you are trying to thread-jack to change the subject.

[Bjorn Against]

31. I could care less that he is getting support

I am pointing out that his version of what happened is not the same as the school's version and the story is from a right-wing website with a history of racism. You may not want me pointing those facts out, but it is not thread jacking to point out facts directly related to the article.

[AtheistCrusader]

32. You could care less? So you do care...

[Bjorn Against]

34. I don't know enough about the situation to care

I am a big supporter of free speech so I might even take his side if the story is the way he reports it despite the fact that I think the organization he is promoting is disgusting, but I know the school has a different story and I don't know enough about the behavior the school cites to know if the suspension is warranted.

I will probably never know enough about the case to take a side on whether the suspension was justified, but I know more than enough about the Daily Caller to say they are a right-wing racist site.

[GreenStormCloud]

38. Until this thread, I never heard of The Daily Caller.

I linked to Yahoo, which I consider a major site.

[AtheistCrusader]

40. I just thought it was funny that you are nit-picking, while using the phrase incorrectly.

[Bjorn Against]

41. I wouldn't call pointing out that it is an extremely unreliable source nitpicking

The Daily Caller is in the same league as Rush Limbaugh, it is hardly nitpicking to point out that this is a source that can not be trusted.

[AtheistCrusader]

44. Two things.

He mentioned he didn't know that, and it didn't alter the nature of this story.

So who cares. Point out the particular source isn't reliable and move on. Not hard to do. It was easy enough to see this particular story was accurately re-told on more reputable sites.

[GreenStormCloud]

33. Yahoo is RW?

The link that I posted was Yahoo.

And the fact that you are hanging on in this thread, acting like a self-appointed DU zampolit suggests that you do care that he was getting support.

[Bjorn Against]

36. The link goes to a Daily Caller article that was posted on Yahoo, Yahoo did not write the story.

[GreenStormCloud]

42. In tiny print.

And the facts that I referred to are backed up by other sources.

Here is another source: http://wtvr.com/2013/04/24/w-va-teen-arrested-for-nra-shirt-goes-back-to-class/

I have not, and don't plan to, research the history of the site for past political leanings.

Officials said 14-year-old Jared Marcum walked into his classroom wearing the exact same shirt, which depicts a hunting rifle with the statement, “protect your right.”

But dozens of other students wore similar shirts to show their support on Monday.

That isn't all of the story, but it is the part that I am interested in, and that I started the thread about.

You want to talk about something else.

[gejohnston]

37. how is it directly related to the article?

it isn't.

[Bjorn Against]

39. So the people who wrote the article are not related to the article?

The fact that the school has a different version of events than the boy the article is centered around is not related to the article?

These things are obviously related to the article, you would just prefer they did not get pointed out.

[gejohnston]

43. you were not ranting about the people who wrote the article

nor what the school said, but who printed it. While I have heard of the DC, I don't read them. While they very well could have the loathsome reputation you say, there is this thing called the genetic fallacy that makes it irrelevant.

[Bjorn Against]

45. So why don't we just start citing Rush Limbaugh and the National Enquirer as sources?

Sorry, but the credibility of sources matters. Try citing Rush Limbaugh in a college term paper and then tell the professor that she can't mark you down for not using credible sources because to do so would be a "genetic fallacy". I can pretty much guarantee the professor would laugh in your face and mark you down even more.

[AtheistCrusader]

46. Funny you should mention the Enquirer.

I recall they broke some very big stories in the last couple years.

It doesn't matter who reported it, it matters if it is accurate or not. RL is a 'reliable source' for some things. Depends on what the term paper is about, doesn't it?

[gejohnston]

47. funny you should mention that

Try citing Rush Limbaugh in a college term paper

I did just that once. The term paper was on propaganda, and I cited something Rush said as an example. The professor didn't have a problem with it.

[GreenStormCloud]

48. It was the National Enquirer that broke the story that stomach ulcers are caused by bacteria.

Dr. Warren and Dr. Marshall wrote their discover up in a medical journal in 1982, but it went against the prevailing view and was ignored by the medical establishment. NE broke the story March 13, 1990. Prior to the story being published, ulcer treatment was a billion dollar a year industry. Not they can be cured with antibiotic pills.

So don't be so quick to commit the generic fallacy. It has already been shown to you that the facts of the OP were correct.

[HockeyMom]

3. Banned Tshirts with any writing on them

My daughters school did this almost 20 years ago. The only writing on a shirt they could wear was the name of their school or the name of the school's sports teams.

The only alternative to this is school uniforms, which the public school district did use where I worked in Florida.

[gejohnston]

5. where I went to high school

there was no dress code, no banned slogans, no problems. There was a shirt that showed a mouse flipping off the hawk just before it becomes lunch, with a caption saying "the last great act of defiance".
God, I miss the 1970s, other than disco.

[CokeMachine]

24. Yep -- I wore beer t-shirts and hats all the time.

They were free from the distributors and I took advantage. Plus I was kinda a rebel and they pissed off the Mormans (90% of the population).

[Jenoch]

8. It appears to me that the

t-shirt was not a problem until the teacher made it into a problem in the lunchroom.

[virginia mountainman]

13. Yep, that teachers mouth wrote a check on the Logan County's school budget...

....And soon the 8th grader will be cashing it....

[Jenoch]

14. I generally agree that

schools can enforce dress codes but im this case it appears that the dress code was mpt violated. I think the teacher borrowed trouble and did mot need to.

[GreenStormCloud]

16. I would love to see a follow-up story on this during the next school board elections.

Logan City is the country seat of Logan County. Since it has only 1,779 people and is a country seat then it is reasonable to conclude that the county is rural and lightly populated. It is one of those places where everybody knows everybody else, or knows somebody who does. School board members are certainly hearing about this from the local voters, and will have to answer to them in the next election. You can bet that they are going to be pressuring the principal and the teachers to show more respect for student's rights on issues like this. I will be surprised if the teacher and principal are still employed there next school year.

Added to that is that the principal and teacher have to live there and shop there where people-on-the-street can tell them what they think. With dozens of kids going to school wearing similar shirts (Obviously with parents knowledge) as a show of support for the student, it has to serve as a warning that they have gotten the community riled up against the school administration.

[virginia mountainman]

20. Yes, you are correct..added a bit more..

Logan County is the very heart of West Virginia coal country. The teacher clearly was not from the area, and picked a fight he/she never had a prayer in winning. My in laws lived in worked in Logan County for years, and it is completly understandable and belivable that asking a student to remove a shirt with a rifle photo and the NRA logo on it would cause a high level of disruption, with lots of "F-offs" being told right to the offending parties face. I am about as laid back as they come, and even I would have told them to "f-off"

I would go as far as to even bet that their would be MULTIPLE CARSin the school parking lots with NRA/pro gun stickers on them.... I would also bet their would not be a "gun control" sticker ANYWHERE to be found.

Heck even the statue in front of the school has a military rifle, with a couple of hand grenades on him..

Yea, school admin, screwed this one up on an epic scale.... Their will be community backlash against those that chose to make this an issue in the first place. But if you wish to take a stand, you better be ready to deal with the consequences of that stand, and NO i am not talking about the student, I am talking about the teacher..

They keep talking about the "disruption" as the reason he was arrested and suspended, they are doing their level best to defect the criticism of their action. The want you to forget that the reasons their was a disruption was because of a teachers poor behavior.

It is a classic case of "blame the victim" No problem, though, in his community, he is being viewed as a hero, and will have a nice fat check from the county soon.

[GreenStormCloud]

29. The city only has a weekly newspaper.

I have bookmarked it to check on from time to time. It is the Logan Banner.

[no_hypocrisy]

49. 2007 Federal Court said high school kids could wear Hitler Youth buttons/badges

in school without punishment.

http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?xmldoc=20071147514FSupp2d633_11081.xml