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virginia mountainman

(5,046 posts)
1. Well they got their vote...they are NOW on record...
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 05:52 PM
Apr 2013

This is what some wanted after all. I wonder what the NRA ads will look like for the midterm elections.

shedevil69taz

(512 posts)
2. That wasn't the only amendment that failed
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 06:05 PM
Apr 2013
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/04/17/senate-to-vote-on-amendments-to-gun-bill-with-background-check-plan-in-doubt/

A couple that I would actually like to see didn't pass either (national reciprocity and increased penalties for straw purchasers)

But yes very glad the "assault weapons" amendment got shot down
 

Atlatl

(57 posts)
6. But Chuckie Schumer said...
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 07:43 PM
Apr 2013

that national reciprocity is a bad thing and should be defeated. He wanted people on the other side of the gun issue to vote his way but he wasn't willing to vote their way.

Straw Man

(6,613 posts)
14. Yes, and he said ...
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:43 PM
Apr 2013

... that some other states' CCW rules are too lax and those people would be dangerous running around NY State with weapons.

There used to be an automatic exemption from the NICS check if you had a CCW permit. Then a few years ago, the Feds rescinded that privilege to several states whose permit procedures they deemed to be substandard. Guess who lost the privilege? New York. Guess who kept it? Texas.

What was that you were saying, Chuck?

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
4. Senator Feinstein made the same mistake that often dooms the pipedreams of authoritarian extremists
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 06:52 PM
Apr 2013

Demand so much that your zealotry becomes obvious to level-headed people; and you end up getting nothing.

spin

(17,493 posts)
5. Exactly. By shooting for the moon, the gun control movement shot themselves in the foot. ...
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 07:35 PM
Apr 2013

The sad thing to me is that had the word "ban" never been mentioned, Congress might have been able to improve our existing laws and find ways to better enforce them.

it doesn't appear at this time that some in the gun control movement learned any lessons as there is talk of trying again to pass an AWB. The hope is that they can convince enough voters to throw pro gun rights politicians out. I could be wrong but I feel this will also backfire and many good Democrats will lose their seats in Congress to pro-gun Republicans. It is quite possible that a high percentage of the 80,000,000 gun owners in our nation will show up at the polls in the midterm and the next presidential election to vote against any Democrat regardless of his rating from the NRA.

You might suspect that I might favor this as I do support gun rights. You would be wrong as I have little trust in Republicans. I feel that if Mitt Romney had won the presidency, the AWB would have passed. I don't believe Romney was a true friend of gun owners but was merely pandering to them to get their vote.

I consider Bill Clinton to be a very shrewd and wise politician. Perhaps some in our party should have listened to his advice.

Bill Clinton Warns Democrats Against Overreaching On Gun Debate
DOUG MATACONIS · SUNDAY, JANUARY 20, 2013 ·

***snip***

Former President Bill Clinton warned a group of top Democratic donors at a private Saturday meeting not to underestimate the passions that gun control stirs among many Americans.

“Do not patronize the passionate supporters of your opponents by looking down your nose at them,” Clinton said.

“A lot of these people live in a world very different from the world lived in by the people proposing these things,” Clinton said. “I know because I come from this world.”

***snip***

And Clinton said that passing the 1994 federal assault weapons ban “devastated” more than a dozen Democratic lawmakers in the 1994 midterms — and cost then-Speaker of the House Tom Foley (D-Wash.) his job and his seat in Congress.
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/bill-clinton-warns-democrats-against-overreaching-on-gun-debate/

kudzu22

(1,273 posts)
7. They thought that Sandy Hook was so horrific, they could get anything they wanted
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 08:35 PM
Apr 2013

It was horrific indeed -- the second worst news story I can remember seeing (after 9/11). But 9/11 didn't make me want to give up my constitutional right to privacy, even a little bit. Likewise, Sandy Hook didn't make me want to give up my RKBA. I suspect I'm not alone in that assessment.

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
8. 3000 vs 30,000 Every Year
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 04:51 PM
Apr 2013

one million since 1980.

I suspect if 1000 were killed in our next mass shooting - you still wouldn't want you to give up your metal manhood device.

 

sylvi

(813 posts)
9. So it's a matter of numbers to you.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 06:20 PM
Apr 2013

Not an absolute principle of the sanctity of life.

If so, what makes your cut-off number for loss of a freedom any more arbitrary or capricious than anyone else's? You judge what's important to you personally and stand ready to accept that some people may die as a cost of that freedom. Yet when someone else does the same thing for a freedom they hold valuable it's because they "don't care about dead children" or something else just as nonsensical.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
10. "Metal manhood device"?? Seriously?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 07:32 PM
Apr 2013

What is it with you anti-gun people always equating intimacy and sex with firearms. That just plain weird. Maybe you weren't hugged enough as a child.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
12. "Metal Manhood"? Wow, I have to stop carrying Snubbies I guess
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 08:49 PM
Apr 2013

Excuse me, while I schedule some time with the shrink.

All this time I thought it might be a repressed memory from childhood. Now, thanks to a gun control fan, I know it's that 2 inch Colt Detective Special.

Thanks self appointed amateur psychiatrist! I'm going shopping for a Buntline Special now. I suggest you all do the same to "cure" your problems.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
11. Never give up the only right that levels the playing field....
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 08:08 PM
Apr 2013

Or at least in theory levels the playing field between those that wish to harm your family, and you.

Refuse to let others decide if you should be a willing victim.

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