Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumAnyone can walk into a gun shop and walk out with pounds of gun powder.
It's time for the NRA and the gun nuts to get out of the way and allow *strict* regulation of powder sales.
Enough is enough.
Yup
sarisataka
(18,220 posts)It's time for the USDBC and the bean nuts to get out of the way and allow *strict* regulation of castor beans.
Enough is enough. Regulate everything!!
Yup
Pholus
(4,062 posts)rdharma
(6,057 posts)sarisataka
(18,220 posts)you start with the seeds...
rdharma
(6,057 posts)sarisataka
(18,220 posts)to plant
rdharma
(6,057 posts)sylvi
(813 posts)[url]http://www.outsidepride.com/seed/flower-seed/castor-beans/castor-bean-zanzibariensis.html?gclid=CNT1heHY0LYCFYU-Mgod1GYA_Q[/url]
or here...
[url]http://www.henryfields.com/product/Castor_Bean/other_flower_seeds?p=0613778&utm_source=shopzilla[/url]
or here...
[url]http://www.gurneys.com/product.asp?pn=15285&sid=0515548&utm_medium=shopping_engine&utm_source=googleshopping&CAWELAID=1889729591&catargetid=1815666664&"cagpspn=pla"&gclid=CLLO5K7Z0LYCFaxaMgodun4ALQ[/url]
doc03
(35,148 posts)there is none available. I am no expert but I think black powder is fairly regulated and as far as smokeless powder I don't know if it is suitable for bombs or not. I have heard there are also many common household chemicals that can be used for making bombs.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,470 posts)....fertilizer and diesel fuel are bit harder to get now.
doc03
(35,148 posts)Jenoch
(7,720 posts)You don't have to go to a farm coop or fertilizer plant.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,470 posts)...buying 5,000 pounds of ammonium nitrate and nitromethane, and motor-racing fuel might get you some attention.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)'motor-racing fuel', or the 'nitromethane' but that amount of fertilizer can be purchased in rural America without much notice. All you have to do is find a like-minded farmer.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,470 posts)...obtaining a variety of "dangerous" devices and substances is easier than we would think. I believe that restrictions on sales, transfer and possession will never offer complete effectiveness for anything determined to be "dangerous". Everywhere groups from private companies to governments investigate and "clear" people into "circles of trust". How well does this work? History is full of examples where it didn't. In this country from Mary Elizabeth Bowser to Robert Hanssen misplaced trust is historic. Efforts to prevent disaster by restricting everyone are, IMHO, mostly for show and ass covering. Not that some of these measures aren't easily circumvented by those determined enough but they aren't all bad ideas.
sir pball
(4,726 posts)Five pounds plus some diesel would have changed things from 3 dead to...I'd rather not think about it.
What's the nitro for though? Not that you can't get a gallon or two of that at a hobby shop for cash..
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,470 posts)I'm just as worried about an individual or small group that is buying fertilizer and fuel as I am about dictators that want to start a nuclear program. I have however accepted that individuals are and probably should be out of my control.
Firearms, IMHO, would not and could not cause the level of devastation seen in Boston.
I just find it incredible that there are folks who can believe that laws will protect them from guys who want an AR-15 but that guys who choose pressure cookers and nails can always get them.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)Twenty-five pounds of high explosive makes a very big bang. That would be fifty sticks of dynamite.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,470 posts)...why I think many laws aimed at preventing violence are all show and no go.
DonP
(6,185 posts)That includes powder, primers, ammo and anything else that can go "boom".
When was the last time you tried to buy powder anyway? Let me guess, your last visit to a gun show?
(As if there was any powder or primers out there now anyway.)
I'm afraid you'll have to find a new way to try and bypass the 2nd amendment.
But if you don't like it, feel free to work on changing Florida's gun laws. By the way. how's your work to repeal CCW in FLA and ME going? Got a lot of petitions signed off yet? Your activism group should be all over that by now, right?
jpak
(41,742 posts)try again.
yup
DonP
(6,185 posts)Muzzleloaders, even imaginary ones, have different rules in some states, but the black powder they use is treated the same as ammo.
Now that several people have corrected your mistatement, did you have a point lurking there somewhere?
jpak
(41,742 posts)You don't need a background check to buy ammo now do you.
The Boston Terrorists had no problem getting enough smokeless powder to build several pressure cooker bombs and other IEDs.
Enough is Enough.
yup
DonP
(6,185 posts)Gun show or gun store doesn't matter, same rules.
It's too bad if you home state doesn't have the rules you want.
supernaut
(44 posts)They purchased fireworks from a shop in NH.
Bay Boy
(1,689 posts)Black powder is a simple mixture of powdered potassium nitrate or saltpeter, charcoal and sulfur. But simply mixing the ingredients together is not going to give you the results you are looking for. Follow these instructions on making black powder--just be careful as you are working with explosives. Whether your motivation is to save a little bit of money or the satisfaction of being able to make your own, you can certainly make your own black powder at home.
sylvi
(813 posts)back when we were kids.
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Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)AFAIK, the Chicago Tribune quotes "law enforcement sources", who most likely don't know, and witnesses saying they smelled gunpowder. I don't think modern gunpowder would create the smoke and smell. The smell is most likely black powder used in fireworks and muskets. Modern gunpowder is a propellant, black powder is an explosive. Since it is only the media saying it, I'm not putting much stock in it.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)The recipe is centuries old. It isn't cutting edge chemistry.
From common ingredients you can make lots of very deadly stuff. Explosives, poison gasses, other poisons. For some very deadly toxins you don't need to go to the store, just go out into the woods and know what to look for.
kudzu22
(1,273 posts)The pistol grip is what makes stuff all massacre-y. Just ask DiFi.
JohnnyBoots
(2,969 posts)get gasoline, a rag and bottle and a lighter with a lot more ease. Should we ban those first?
virginia mountainman
(5,046 posts)It's time for the AAA and the car nuts to get out of the way and allow *strict* regulation of fuel sales
Enough is enough.
Yup
Kinda makes you sound silly don't it...
LAGC
(5,330 posts)RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!1!!!
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)LAGC
(5,330 posts)I kind of like "Congresscritter" myself.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)However I buy my black powder 25 lbs at a time. Me and some other shooters get together and purchase in bulk, generally twice a year.
CokeMachine
(1,018 posts)Everywhere I've looked there is none available. I need some IMR 4198 -- please let me know if you see any. I'm reloading some 7.62/308 and am running low. It's for a bolt rifle from India.
Thanks in advance.
Buzz cook
(2,470 posts)I'd have no problem if the government knew that I did so.
I would have a problem if the government took away my ability to buy powder without just cause.
For the jokers who sarcastically want to ban fertilizers and fuel; I'd just like to point out that it's much much easier to make bombs with gun powder.
ileus
(15,396 posts)or stop at a petrol station and pump liquids into plastic containers...
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)Last edited Tue Apr 23, 2013, 11:47 PM - Edit history (1)
They used powder from fireworks.
CokeMachine
(1,018 posts)Alpine Junction to get our fireworks and Everclear (drinking age was 18 then).
Oh, the good old days!!
CokeMachine
(1,018 posts)bycycle tires? Almost forgot long staffs.
ileus
(15,396 posts)DonP
(6,185 posts)I heard an interview this AM with a New Hampshire Fireworks stand owner who identified the older brother and said she recalled them buying $400 of heavy duty fireworks e.g. mortars etc. and paying cash.
So I guess we need more bottle rocket control.
jpak
(41,742 posts)in the Land of OZ anyway...
Yup
DonP
(6,185 posts)Oh that's right, all you do is whine and snark online.
You don't really ever do anything in the real world to support your so called issues.
Let us know when you and your friends have succeeded in having any state even consider repealing concealed carry and when you've successfully wiped the scourge of fireworks stands off the face of the earth.
supernaut
(44 posts)and walk out with pounds of potassium chloride.