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Anyone can walk into a gun shop and walk out with pounds of gun powder. (Original Post) jpak Apr 2013 OP
Anyone can walk into a organic food shop and walk out with pounds of castor beans. sarisataka Apr 2013 #1
Due to dirty money, castor beans would be regulated first. nt Pholus Apr 2013 #2
Yup! Castor beans....... rdharma Apr 2013 #5
OK, so not the beans ... sarisataka Apr 2013 #8
Keep diggin'! nt rdharma Apr 2013 #9
You need to dig sarisataka Apr 2013 #10
Sorry! My organic health store is fresh out of castor seeds........ rdharma Apr 2013 #12
Get them here then... sylvi Apr 2013 #21
Not exactly, all the nuts bought up the gun powder doc03 Apr 2013 #3
I think.... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2013 #4
Fertilizer may be but diesel fuel no n/t doc03 Apr 2013 #7
You can go to any garden store and buy bags of fertilizer. Jenoch Apr 2013 #16
Not for certain but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2013 #20
I don't know about the Jenoch Apr 2013 #22
In reality I suspect that... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2013 #24
You don't need a ton of the stuff. sir pball Apr 2013 #26
Easily researched solutions for low grade independent terrorists discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2013 #29
You can buy 25lbs bags at Wal-Mart. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #30
This is one reason... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2013 #31
Umm, nope. Same rules apply state by state that apply to guns. DonP Apr 2013 #6
When I built a CVA muzzleloader jpak Apr 2013 #17
Black powder, smokeless and primers are treated the same as guns DonP Apr 2013 #19
You can buy powder by the pound - that is the standard sized container. jpak Apr 2013 #42
Actually, I have to show both a photo ID and my state issued FOID card to even touch ammo or powder DonP Apr 2013 #43
Probably because they never bought any. supernaut Apr 2013 #52
Hell you can make your own black powder Bay Boy Apr 2013 #11
My friend and I made it all the time sylvi Apr 2013 #13
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #14
Ah, the ol' Gilbert's chemistry set. The Big 3 ran out fiest! Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #27
Or wlamart or bass pro or tractor supply or... ileus Apr 2013 #15
has the ATF said it was gunpowder gejohnston Apr 2013 #18
No official statement on that that i've seen so far BUT BAN IT ARGLE BARGLE AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #36
Anyone can make their own. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #23
Ok but does the powder have a pistol grip? kudzu22 Apr 2013 #25
Anyone can JohnnyBoots Apr 2013 #28
Why? rl6214 Apr 2013 #32
Anyone can walk into a gas station and walk out with gallons of gas. virginia mountainman Apr 2013 #33
CALL CONGRESS!!!!11!!!!1!! LAGC Apr 2013 #34
What shall we call them? AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #37
Call them any name you choose. LAGC Apr 2013 #39
Just the other day I bought some flammable solids. oneshooter Apr 2013 #35
Where can I get these pounds of powder? CokeMachine Apr 2013 #38
I'm one of the people that has walked off with pounds of powder. Buzz cook Apr 2013 #40
You can also visit your local welding supply shop. ileus Apr 2013 #41
latest media speculation gejohnston Apr 2013 #44
We used to go to CokeMachine Apr 2013 #46
How about cans of beans and CokeMachine Apr 2013 #45
So did we ever confirm if Black Powder for firearms was used? ileus Apr 2013 #47
As of this morning - Fireworks DonP Apr 2013 #48
Yes, and douchebags never use black powder in pipe bombs jpak Apr 2013 #49
Well, do something about it then DonP Apr 2013 #50
LOL! jpak Apr 2013 #53
Anyone can walk into home depot supernaut Apr 2013 #51

sarisataka

(18,220 posts)
1. Anyone can walk into a organic food shop and walk out with pounds of castor beans.
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:37 PM
Apr 2013

It's time for the USDBC and the bean nuts to get out of the way and allow *strict* regulation of castor beans.

Enough is enough. Regulate everything!!

Yup

doc03

(35,148 posts)
3. Not exactly, all the nuts bought up the gun powder
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:42 PM
Apr 2013

there is none available. I am no expert but I think black powder is fairly regulated and as far as smokeless powder I don't know if it is suitable for bombs or not. I have heard there are also many common household chemicals that can be used for making bombs.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
16. You can go to any garden store and buy bags of fertilizer.
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 09:35 PM
Apr 2013

You don't have to go to a farm coop or fertilizer plant.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,470 posts)
20. Not for certain but...
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 10:26 PM
Apr 2013

...buying 5,000 pounds of ammonium nitrate and nitromethane, and motor-racing fuel might get you some attention.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
22. I don't know about the
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 11:37 PM
Apr 2013

'motor-racing fuel', or the 'nitromethane' but that amount of fertilizer can be purchased in rural America without much notice. All you have to do is find a like-minded farmer.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,470 posts)
24. In reality I suspect that...
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:19 AM
Apr 2013

...obtaining a variety of "dangerous" devices and substances is easier than we would think. I believe that restrictions on sales, transfer and possession will never offer complete effectiveness for anything determined to be "dangerous". Everywhere groups from private companies to governments investigate and "clear" people into "circles of trust". How well does this work? History is full of examples where it didn't. In this country from Mary Elizabeth Bowser to Robert Hanssen misplaced trust is historic. Efforts to prevent disaster by restricting everyone are, IMHO, mostly for show and ass covering. Not that some of these measures aren't easily circumvented by those determined enough but they aren't all bad ideas.

sir pball

(4,726 posts)
26. You don't need a ton of the stuff.
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:32 AM
Apr 2013

Five pounds plus some diesel would have changed things from 3 dead to...I'd rather not think about it.

What's the nitro for though? Not that you can't get a gallon or two of that at a hobby shop for cash..

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,470 posts)
29. Easily researched solutions for low grade independent terrorists
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:50 PM
Apr 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh#Oklahoma_City_bombing

"The bomb consisted of about 5,000 pounds (2,300 kg) of ammonium nitrate and nitromethane, and motor-racing fuel."


I'm just as worried about an individual or small group that is buying fertilizer and fuel as I am about dictators that want to start a nuclear program. I have however accepted that individuals are and probably should be out of my control.


Firearms, IMHO, would not and could not cause the level of devastation seen in Boston.

I just find it incredible that there are folks who can believe that laws will protect them from guys who want an AR-15 but that guys who choose pressure cookers and nails can always get them.

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
30. You can buy 25lbs bags at Wal-Mart.
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 01:08 PM
Apr 2013

Twenty-five pounds of high explosive makes a very big bang. That would be fifty sticks of dynamite.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
6. Umm, nope. Same rules apply state by state that apply to guns.
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:52 PM
Apr 2013

That includes powder, primers, ammo and anything else that can go "boom".

When was the last time you tried to buy powder anyway? Let me guess, your last visit to a gun show?

(As if there was any powder or primers out there now anyway.)

I'm afraid you'll have to find a new way to try and bypass the 2nd amendment.

But if you don't like it, feel free to work on changing Florida's gun laws. By the way. how's your work to repeal CCW in FLA and ME going? Got a lot of petitions signed off yet? Your activism group should be all over that by now, right?

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
19. Black powder, smokeless and primers are treated the same as guns
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 10:21 PM
Apr 2013

Muzzleloaders, even imaginary ones, have different rules in some states, but the black powder they use is treated the same as ammo.

Now that several people have corrected your mistatement, did you have a point lurking there somewhere?

jpak

(41,742 posts)
42. You can buy powder by the pound - that is the standard sized container.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:06 PM
Apr 2013

You don't need a background check to buy ammo now do you.

The Boston Terrorists had no problem getting enough smokeless powder to build several pressure cooker bombs and other IEDs.

Enough is Enough.

yup

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
43. Actually, I have to show both a photo ID and my state issued FOID card to even touch ammo or powder
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 03:05 PM
Apr 2013

Gun show or gun store doesn't matter, same rules.

It's too bad if you home state doesn't have the rules you want.

Bay Boy

(1,689 posts)
11. Hell you can make your own black powder
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:16 PM
Apr 2013

Black powder is a simple mixture of powdered potassium nitrate or saltpeter, charcoal and sulfur. But simply mixing the ingredients together is not going to give you the results you are looking for. Follow these instructions on making black powder--just be careful as you are working with explosives. Whether your motivation is to save a little bit of money or the satisfaction of being able to make your own, you can certainly make your own black powder at home.

Response to sylvi (Reply #13)

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
18. has the ATF said it was gunpowder
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 10:17 PM
Apr 2013

AFAIK, the Chicago Tribune quotes "law enforcement sources", who most likely don't know, and witnesses saying they smelled gunpowder. I don't think modern gunpowder would create the smoke and smell. The smell is most likely black powder used in fireworks and muskets. Modern gunpowder is a propellant, black powder is an explosive. Since it is only the media saying it, I'm not putting much stock in it.

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
23. Anyone can make their own.
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 11:56 PM
Apr 2013

The recipe is centuries old. It isn't cutting edge chemistry.

From common ingredients you can make lots of very deadly stuff. Explosives, poison gasses, other poisons. For some very deadly toxins you don't need to go to the store, just go out into the woods and know what to look for.

kudzu22

(1,273 posts)
25. Ok but does the powder have a pistol grip?
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:51 AM
Apr 2013

The pistol grip is what makes stuff all massacre-y. Just ask DiFi.

 

JohnnyBoots

(2,969 posts)
28. Anyone can
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:50 AM
Apr 2013

get gasoline, a rag and bottle and a lighter with a lot more ease. Should we ban those first?

virginia mountainman

(5,046 posts)
33. Anyone can walk into a gas station and walk out with gallons of gas.
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 07:05 PM
Apr 2013

It's time for the AAA and the car nuts to get out of the way and allow *strict* regulation of fuel sales

Enough is enough.

Yup

Kinda makes you sound silly don't it...

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
35. Just the other day I bought some flammable solids.
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 02:46 PM
Apr 2013

However I buy my black powder 25 lbs at a time. Me and some other shooters get together and purchase in bulk, generally twice a year.

 

CokeMachine

(1,018 posts)
38. Where can I get these pounds of powder?
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 05:28 PM
Apr 2013

Everywhere I've looked there is none available. I need some IMR 4198 -- please let me know if you see any. I'm reloading some 7.62/308 and am running low. It's for a bolt rifle from India.

Thanks in advance.

Buzz cook

(2,470 posts)
40. I'm one of the people that has walked off with pounds of powder.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 09:07 PM
Apr 2013

I'd have no problem if the government knew that I did so.
I would have a problem if the government took away my ability to buy powder without just cause.

For the jokers who sarcastically want to ban fertilizers and fuel; I'd just like to point out that it's much much easier to make bombs with gun powder.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
41. You can also visit your local welding supply shop.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 06:52 AM
Apr 2013

or stop at a petrol station and pump liquids into plastic containers...


 

CokeMachine

(1,018 posts)
46. We used to go to
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 12:00 AM
Apr 2013

Alpine Junction to get our fireworks and Everclear (drinking age was 18 then).

Oh, the good old days!!

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
48. As of this morning - Fireworks
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 10:13 AM
Apr 2013

I heard an interview this AM with a New Hampshire Fireworks stand owner who identified the older brother and said she recalled them buying $400 of heavy duty fireworks e.g. mortars etc. and paying cash.

So I guess we need more bottle rocket control.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
50. Well, do something about it then
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 09:49 AM
Apr 2013

Oh that's right, all you do is whine and snark online.

You don't really ever do anything in the real world to support your so called issues.

Let us know when you and your friends have succeeded in having any state even consider repealing concealed carry and when you've successfully wiped the scourge of fireworks stands off the face of the earth.

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