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CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 12:57 AM Apr 2013

South City Gun Buyback Pulls 250 Weapons Out Of Circulation (organized by Congressperson Speier)

In case you are tempted to say something snide about Congresswoman Jackie Speier, I've posted her account of being shot at the Jonestown Massacre in Guyana and left for dead. She is braver than probably anybody who will post here. I post this in hopes that the usual snide and disrespectful things said of Democratic Congresspeople in this group will not be said about her, as she is a remarkable person.

SOUTH SAN FRANCISCO (CBS SF) —
South City Gun Buyback Pulls 250 Weapons Out Of Circulation
April 14, 2013 12:53 PM

A gun buyback that took place in San Mateo County on Saturday has been deemed a success by one of its organizers, Rep. Jackie Speier.

An estimated 250 firearms were collected at the gun buyback, which was held at the South San Francisco courthouse, according to Speier’s office.

...

“The success of a gun buyback is measured one gun at a time,” Speier said in a statement. “Each gun turned in today is one less life that may be damaged or lost.”

Nine Peninsula police departments took part in Satuday’s buyback, including South San Francisco, San Bruno, Daly City, Pacifica, Burlingame, Colma Millbrae and Brisbane.

...

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2013/04/14/gun-buyback-250-weapons/




At Port Kaituma, we hurriedly loaded passengers onto two waiting planes. I heard screams and the unfamiliar sound of gunshots as, inside one of the aircraft, Layton opened fire. Within seconds, gunmen leaped from a nearby tractor and leveled their weapons at us. I dived to the ground behind an airplane wheel and pretended to be dead. The next thing I knew, I felt a crushing blow, as if someone had backed over me with a truck. It wasn't a truck, but the first of five bullets, tearing through my flesh.

I was afraid to move for quite some time after the silence resumed. Slowly, I looked around. Bodies lay crumpled on the tarmac. The wounded moved slowly, assessing their injuries. Congressman Ryan, three members of the media, and one of the defectors were dead. I dragged myself to an open airplane door and tried to crawl inside, but the plane's engine had been disabled, so it wasn't going to aid my escape. Some men gingerly laid me on the ground, not noticing that they had placed me on an anthill. I borrowed a reporter's tape recorder and began taping a final message to my family.

For 22 hours I lay, wounded on the muddy tarmac, altering between varying levels of consciousness. Some of the survivors found a nearby bar and brought me Guyanese rum to help dull the pain. At some point, word got to us that Jim Jones had ordered the "White Night," although we had no way of knowing how many of his followers had obeyed his madness.

I was flown to Andrews Air Force Base near Washington. For the next two months, I underwent more than 10 procedures as surgeons tried to save my right leg and arm. At one point, I was told the leg would likely be amputated and I would never use the arm again. Fortunately, the excellent doctors and nurses who cared for me made sure that neither scenario came to pass.

When I returned to the Bay Area, I was not allowed to stay in my home because of death threats. As painful as my injuries were, as much as I cringed looking at my scarred and tattered body, nothing was as debilitating as living in fear. I refused to spend the rest of my life as a victim and was desperate for an opportunity to stand on my own two feet again. I decided to file for the special election to fill Congressman Ryan's now-vacant seat. It was my way of saying that I was done being a victim.


http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Congresswoman-remembers-day-of-horror-3261573.php
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South City Gun Buyback Pulls 250 Weapons Out Of Circulation (organized by Congressperson Speier) (Original Post) CreekDog Apr 2013 OP
at least they are paying reasonable prices gejohnston Apr 2013 #1
i posted this to support gun buybacks, not to personally game them and mock them CreekDog Apr 2013 #2
how was I mocking them? gejohnston Apr 2013 #3
oh, you say they serve a useful purpose, so I'm supposed to take guns there CreekDog Apr 2013 #4
it is a lot more nuanced than that. gejohnston Apr 2013 #5
You took a wrong turn. rrneck Apr 2013 #25
I have no desire to mock gun buybacks. rrneck Apr 2013 #6
you could be honest with us and start by telling us which part is funny CreekDog Apr 2013 #7
Your attitude. nt rrneck Apr 2013 #8
Attitude? It's called knowing how this place works. CreekDog Apr 2013 #9
Oooohhhhhhh. Well then, let me help... rrneck Apr 2013 #10
Yes, help prove my point --now that you can't criticize Speier, you're mocking this in another way CreekDog Apr 2013 #12
I'm mocking the OP rrneck Apr 2013 #23
The choir lol. I like it. beevul Apr 2013 #34
Your saying that she's probably braver than anyone who posts here premium Apr 2013 #29
That was great!! CokeMachine Apr 2013 #27
Hope they rehome the useful/collectable firearms. ileus Apr 2013 #11
Why the double post? ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #13
it's relavant to both groups CreekDog Apr 2013 #14
Its also not getting any action in the safe haven ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #15
only reads and recommendations, sorry to disappoint you CreekDog Apr 2013 #17
Your behavior pattern, attitudes, and intent are quite clear ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #18
well you're talking about that group's reaction to my posts CreekDog Apr 2013 #20
We have Representatives that sponsor NRA certified Concealed Carry and Gun Safety Classes DonP Apr 2013 #16
Safety training is always a good thing ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #19
i love how this group talks about "lockstep" to defend taking a position to the right of Obama CreekDog Apr 2013 #21
if one is logically consistant gejohnston Apr 2013 #24
Ain't it funny? DonP Apr 2013 #26
it appears the only issue that matters to you is the position on guns CreekDog Apr 2013 #38
Your echo chamber not echoing loudly enough for you? shedevil69taz Apr 2013 #22
no replies because nobody over there disagrees --all i have are recommends and views there CreekDog Apr 2013 #30
Well, duh! You've systematically eliminated anyone that might disagree with you. DonP Apr 2013 #35
You're getting to comment on it here, and I have to say, you folks are adding no value whatsoever CreekDog Apr 2013 #37
Lets Compare the Stats CokeMachine Apr 2013 #36
oh, are you saying it would be better if you were in there denying lead pollution from shot? CreekDog Apr 2013 #33
Buybacks are always a good thing hack89 Apr 2013 #28
what about her being anti gun because of her experience? CreekDog Apr 2013 #31
She has a good a reason as any to oppose guns hack89 Apr 2013 #32

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
1. at least they are paying reasonable prices
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 01:46 AM
Apr 2013

at this one. Odds are all of those were left behind by former spouse, pistols sitting in sock drawers for 40 years and now being discovered by grown children.

There is a gun shop in IL that has a wall of awards from Cease Fire because she lets people dump off rusted and junk guns at her shop and sells them at these events.

Next time one of these are advertised, hit the flea markets and look for vintage Clerkes, Jennings, Ravens, buy them and flip them at the event for a profit.

If you are doing it at a city near a state border, some of the sales (I refuse to call them buyback, because you can't buy back what you never owned) would violate the 1968 Gun Control Act. When Portland had one sometime ago, KPOJ website featured someone from Vancouver, WA to unload a gun left behind by her ex husband years ago. Unless Ceasefire Oregon had an FFL, that probably was an illegal interstate sale.

One more thing

I post this in hopes that the usual snide and disrespectful things said of Democratic Congresspeople in this group will not be said about her, as she is a remarkable person.
She sounds like it. She didn't say anything that deserve such things.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
2. i posted this to support gun buybacks, not to personally game them and mock them
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 01:49 AM
Apr 2013


figures. you can't post a single positive thing without forked tongue.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
3. how was I mocking them?
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 02:08 AM
Apr 2013

I have nothing against them, I was point out things to watch for.
Gaming them? The makes I mentioned are not antiques, simply out of business for various reasons and date only back to the 1970s. They are also more likely to be used in a crime than the rifles shown in the pic. I don't see that as gaming. Which would you rather see show up there, someone with five pistols from a Florida flea market or an 70 year old bolt action rifle that has been in someone's garage twenty years?
They do serve a useful purpose, so I don't mock them. I also view them as theater, so I can't overly support them either.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
4. oh, you say they serve a useful purpose, so I'm supposed to take guns there
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 02:09 AM
Apr 2013

to dilute that useful purpose so i can make money.

at leasts be brave enough to not hide your position on the matter.

we know you hate these things, at least the real purpose of them.

not being ashamed of your position would be refreshing at least.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
5. it is a lot more nuanced than that.
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 02:23 AM
Apr 2013

They do provide a service, to get rid of something you have no use for without it falling in the wrong hands. How many would be turned in if there was no financial incentive?
What is the real purpose of them? I'm still getting guns off the street.

If I have a position that I would be ashamed of, I would rethink my position.

rrneck

(17,671 posts)
25. You took a wrong turn.
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 11:21 AM
Apr 2013

This is where public policy is examined for it's efficacy. Aren't you late for cheerleader practice?

rrneck

(17,671 posts)
10. Oooohhhhhhh. Well then, let me help...
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 03:36 AM
Apr 2013

You need to throw mom, the flag and apple pie in there. Nobody could say anything bad about an OP with that much concentrated symbolism.



And fuck, everybody has to like cute babies. We're genetically designed to burble pear shaped vowel sounds at the sight of a baby. Anybody that doesn't dig gun buybacks is a diaper full of poopie.



Hey, if you don't like the OP you're a traitor to the greatest generation. I mean really, our grandfathers fought true evil to preserve the right to buy rusty fucked up piece of shit guns from under a pile of dirty underwear. This picture with the OP will label anybody who doesn't like bun buybacks a dirty fucking fascist. You can't get better proof than that.



It's kittens in coffee cups fer fucks sake! That's like the most awesome internet cuteness that can be imagined! The internet was designed for kittens and coffee! And boobies, but if I posted a picture of them I'd get in trouble.



Holy Christ in a sidecar! It's Shirley fucking Temple! Anybody that disagrees with an OP that has Shirley fucking Temple in it has to be a right wing fascist gun loving camo wearing militia wannabe Glenn Beckkk dittohead troll that has no place here and should be banned immediately! Where's that fucking list? Anybody that says anything bad about an OP that has all this good shit in it oughta whipped with a wet squirrel tail!



Yeah, you know how it works around here all right. Next time, just try to discuss the issue at hand without posting somebody's resume. I'm sure she's a wonderful person, but that don't mean shit in relation to the effectiveness of gun buybacks. And you know it. Oh, wait, I forgot the most important part...




You have to have an embroidery heart, you know, for the symmetry of the thing.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
12. Yes, help prove my point --now that you can't criticize Speier, you're mocking this in another way
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:27 AM
Apr 2013

and yes, this group is where Democratic congresspeople are mocked.

rrneck

(17,671 posts)
23. I'm mocking the OP
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 11:08 AM
Apr 2013

and you are proving my point. You included Speir's history unnecessarily and use it to deflect criticism because you can't defend your position.

There was no reason to include her history at Jonestown, but you included it as a special sanctimony buffet because sure as hell somebody would say something "bad" about gun buybacks. Of course, since guns are "bad" in some fundamentalist circles criticism of any gun buyback is heresy. And heresy is an insult to any leader that proposes them. And we can't have our brave leaders criticized, now can we? All in the name of solidarity, of course. The fact that gun buybacks may do as much or more harm than good and are little more than political theater should not even be considered. We have an orthodoxy to defend, don't we?

Looks like we've got 22 responses here, but nothing in the choir yet. Is revival time already?

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
29. Your saying that she's probably braver than anyone who posts here
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 01:30 PM
Apr 2013

didn't help your case at all, remember, there are a lot of us here who are combat vets, she's no braver than anyone else here.
I'm not saying that what she did should be discounted, just your inane statement about comparing her bravery to the rest of us is, at the least, ludicrous.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
17. only reads and recommendations, sorry to disappoint you
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 10:35 AM
Apr 2013

i'm sure you'd love it if someone mocked or argued with it there.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
20. well you're talking about that group's reaction to my posts
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 10:46 AM
Apr 2013

you seem to be acknowledging that they generally agree with what i post and often recommend or post things related to it and/or things helpful to the topic i post on.

so thank you for pointing that out.

i knew there had to be a reason you mentioned my post of this in the other group. it was a compliment!

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
16. We have Representatives that sponsor NRA certified Concealed Carry and Gun Safety Classes
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 10:34 AM
Apr 2013

Katherine Cloonen (D) Kankakee

Mike Smiddy (D) Hllsdale

SAFE Gun Permits LLC
Utah CCW Class Bonfield, IL

Hosted by State Representative Katherine Cloonen - 79th District!

Hosted by State Representative Mike Smiddy - 71st District!

Isn't it wonderful that our party can embrace a variety of positions and doesn't demand that everyone think in lockstep?

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
19. Safety training is always a good thing
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 10:38 AM
Apr 2013

Guns are more a urban/rural thing than a party line issues, though ideologues claim otherwise.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
21. i love how this group talks about "lockstep" to defend taking a position to the right of Obama
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 10:46 AM
Apr 2013

and the party in general.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
26. Ain't it funny?
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 11:46 AM
Apr 2013

"Lockstep", you know, like getting rid of any and all opinions that differ from your own narrow view of an issue.

Or that you have to come to this "right wing" dominated forum to get any response to your posts?

I've noticed your folks seem to post a lot more more here than in your own "Safe Forum". Why is that?

FWIW our position is in perfect alignment with the President's on gun ownership being an individual right and the 2nd amendment meaning what it actually says as defined by SCOTUS. We may not agree with him on all of his legislative agenda, but then again neither do most folks on DU in one are or another.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
38. it appears the only issue that matters to you is the position on guns
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 09:03 PM
Apr 2013

besides, Speier is a congressperson, the people you list are not.

shedevil69taz

(512 posts)
22. Your echo chamber not echoing loudly enough for you?
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 10:58 AM
Apr 2013

Because this very same post has ZERO replies...seems discussion isn't very lively when EVERYONE agrees with you...

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
30. no replies because nobody over there disagrees --all i have are recommends and views there
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 03:04 PM
Apr 2013

here is where i have disagreement, though my notice seems to have spared Jackie Speier the ridicule this group usually harbors for someone who takes the position she has taken.

so the group is taking out there malice on an easier target --me. which is fine.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
35. Well, duh! You've systematically eliminated anyone that might disagree with you.
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 06:24 PM
Apr 2013

You wanted an echo chamber to safely discuss your ideas, you got it, dumped anyone that disagreed with you and have now declared yourself a winner because everyone agrees with you there. That's kinda circular logic or a self fulfilling prophecy, not sure which is more accurate.

Do you think "no replies" denotes some kind of success?

Maybe it's just me but "Activism" seems to imply that you are somehow changing or influencing minds to your side of an issue that were either neutral or previously disagreed with you. I'm not seeing that happening in your safe haven, in Congress or the judicial branch.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
37. You're getting to comment on it here, and I have to say, you folks are adding no value whatsoever
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:57 PM
Apr 2013


for what it's worth, this thread in this group proves why the other group is needed.
 

CokeMachine

(1,018 posts)
36. Lets Compare the Stats
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:11 PM
Apr 2013
Your thread there:

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CreekDog

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CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
33. oh, are you saying it would be better if you were in there denying lead pollution from shot?
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 03:17 PM
Apr 2013

oh yeah, that's what makes an echo chamber better!

hack89

(39,171 posts)
28. Buybacks are always a good thing
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 01:06 PM
Apr 2013

many people have guns lying around that haven't been used for years - always good to get them out the home.

Speier is a good Congress person. You expect her to be anti-gun given her constituents.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
32. She has a good a reason as any to oppose guns
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 03:09 PM
Apr 2013

I don't question her sincerity but her experience does not give her opinion any extra weight. It is just another opinion.

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