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Mosby

(16,168 posts)
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 04:27 PM Apr 2013

UKIP candidate claims Jews murdered each other in the Holocaust in masterplan to create Israel

A UKIP candidate has sparked outrage by reportedly claiming that Jews deliberately murdered each other in the Holocaust as part of a masterplan to create Israel.

The extreme views were posted in Mrs Anna-Marie Crampton’s name on a conspiracy theory website called ‘Secrets of The Fed’.

Crampton, 57, is allegedly quoted as saying: “Holocaust means a sacrifice by fire. Only the Zionists could sacrifice their own in the gas chambers.

“The Second World Wide War was engineered by the Zionist jews and financed by the banksters to make the general public all over the world to feel so guilty and outraged by the Holocaust that a treaty would be signed to create the State of Israel as we know it today.”

Mrs Crampton posed with UKIP leader Nigel Farrage at a rally in Tunbridge Wells, Kent, two weeks ago – and proudly posted a photo on her Facebook page.

http://swns.com/news/ukip-candidate-claims-jews-murdered-holocaust-masterplan-create-state-israel-34642/

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UKIP candidate claims Jews murdered each other in the Holocaust in masterplan to create Israel (Original Post) Mosby Apr 2013 OP
The true face of the anti-zionist movement. n/t shira Apr 2013 #1
Nah. True face of British Libertarianism, perhaps. n/t Scootaloo Apr 2013 #3
The true face of the British hard-right, I'd say. LeftishBrit Apr 2013 #6
Hardly a difference b/w them and the hard-left. Partners in crime. shira Apr 2013 #7
Not all of either the hard right or hard left are against Israel LeftishBrit Apr 2013 #10
Are they like the Libertarians of England? oberliner Apr 2013 #2
The name stands for United Kingdom Independence Party. LeftishBrit Apr 2013 #5
The party has now dumped her LeftishBrit Apr 2013 #4
yes she was something that was reported hours prior to this OP azurnoir Apr 2013 #8
quote Mosby Apr 2013 #9
quote from where not your OP not in the snip not in the article azurnoir Apr 2013 #11
It's a quote from the article I posted Mosby Apr 2013 #12
you mean the article picked up from Eldar of Zion or is it just coincidence that EoZ links to the azurnoir Apr 2013 #13
the paragraph I posted comes from the link in my OP. nt. Mosby Apr 2013 #14
and??? so this is all about I/P because the person in article supposedly made some random comment azurnoir Apr 2013 #15
It's just as much about I/P as dozens of articles cali Apr 2013 #20
This is stupid. bravenak Apr 2013 #16
Congrats on finding an extreme antisemitic quote, in England. delrem Apr 2013 #17
Are you nominating them for the highly-coveted Polished Turd award? n/t Scootaloo Apr 2013 #18
highly polished. worthy of their posts. delrem Apr 2013 #19
There are tons more. Anti-zionism is unquestionably anti-semitism.... shira Apr 2013 #21
Only if you believe all Jews are Zionists, and Zionism is inherent to Jewishness n/t Scootaloo Apr 2013 #23
Besides this "team" fight your engaging in here on this forum, King_David Apr 2013 #22

LeftishBrit

(41,192 posts)
10. Not all of either the hard right or hard left are against Israel
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 07:46 PM
Apr 2013

In any case, attitudes to Israel are not all that matter, in either direction.

Hard-rightists and any sort of leftists generally have different views on what as far as I am concerned is one of the most important issues of all: the social safety net.

People on the left are certainly not always right; but the right is ALWAYS wrong!

LeftishBrit

(41,192 posts)
5. The name stands for United Kingdom Independence Party.
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 06:13 PM
Apr 2013

They are first and foremost in favour of Britain getting out of the EU. They call themselves 'Eurosceptic' but 'Europaranoid' would be a better description.

They include:

(1) Single-issue Eurosceptics. Not as many as all that.

(2) Hard-line right-wing Tories who feel their party has gone down the drain since Maggie Thatcher lost the party leadership, and regard Cameron in the same way that teabaggers regard 'RINO's. This is probably the largest group.

(3) Middle-class racists who would be BNP or EDL members if they didn't associate the BNP and EDL with the 'Lower Classes'.

(4) Fruitcakes full of conspiracy theories. This woman is an extreme example.

(5) People who are disillusioned with the three main parties and want something anti-establishment.

There is a lot of overlap between the five groups.

Most are very right-wing economically and socially, though those in group (5) may not always be. Global warming denial is a common thread.

LeftishBrit

(41,192 posts)
4. The party has now dumped her
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 06:00 PM
Apr 2013

You know someone is nuts when they are even too nuts for UKIP! They are roughly speaking the British version of the teabaggers.

From HopeNotHate:

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/news/article/2672/east-sussex-ukip-election-candidate-in-holocaust-storm

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
8. yes she was something that was reported hours prior to this OP
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 06:53 PM
Apr 2013

Ukip Candidate Anna-Marie Crampton Suspended in Anti-Semitism Row over Holocaust

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/461399/20130425/ukip-anna-marie-crampton-jewish-holocaust-suspended.htm

eta as awful as her distorted claims are the question remains - exactly what has this to do with I/P?

Mosby

(16,168 posts)
9. quote
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 07:17 PM
Apr 2013

‘The Second World Wide War was engineered by the Zionist jews and financed by the banksters to make the general public all over the world to feel so guilty and outraged by the Holocaust that a treaty would be signed to create the State of Israel as we know it today. By the way, Holocaust means a sacrifice by fire. Only the Zionists could sacrifice their own in the gas chambers. No others, since you and I cannot sacrifice that which is not ours. I am anti Zionist, not antisemit. I love the true Israel and the Jews, but I love the son and daughters of Ihsmel, who are also the children of Abraham. We need to defend Palestine by joining the true Jews…. thanks go to Alan Schiller for this info.’

Bolding mine.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
11. quote from where not your OP not in the snip not in the article
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 08:15 PM
Apr 2013

so give us a link please?

eta albeit what she said is awful the OP as posted is not germane to I/P and some random unlinked quote does not make it so

Mosby

(16,168 posts)
12. It's a quote from the article I posted
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 08:20 PM
Apr 2013

Second paragraph from the bottom.

There is more text below the FB screenshots btw.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
13. you mean the article picked up from Eldar of Zion or is it just coincidence that EoZ links to the
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 08:27 PM
Apr 2013

exact same article, BTW at least EoZ is what comes up first in Google search, albeit I'm sure you never ever visit what is essentially a hate site IMO, that was banned from DU2 your quote appears to be from Facebook though

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
15. and??? so this is all about I/P because the person in article supposedly made some random comment
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 08:55 PM
Apr 2013

well I'm sure that's good enough for some here. thanks you just set a brand new standard, in any number of ways

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
20. It's just as much about I/P as dozens of articles
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 04:05 AM
Apr 2013

posted here, some of which you've commented in and haven't raised a tiny peep questioning what those posts had to do with I/P. It looks silly and petty for you to go on about this piece, hon.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
17. Congrats on finding an extreme antisemitic quote, in England.
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 09:31 PM
Apr 2013

Congrats to shira for explaining that the quote is representative of all who disagree with her, and your, views. Once shira had pointed it out, the connection was clear to see.
Congrats to KD, who in another thread explained to me that he, you, shira, etc., aren't in any way part of a self-supporting "team", and to suggest otherwise is somewhat racist. Of course that is true.
Congrats to you all for keeping the tone of I/P to such a high standard.

Last of all, I want to congratulate the team that isn't a team for not alerting on 100% of my posts, even though they all deserve it, but only alerting on 9 out of 10. Chances would increase, of course, if it were 100%, so I realize the sacrifice being made.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
21. There are tons more. Anti-zionism is unquestionably anti-semitism....
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 06:46 AM
Apr 2013

It doesn't need to be, and there are anti-zionists who are not anti-semites but they are rare.

Here's a challenge for you:

Name any recognizable, popular anti-zionist organization you believe is legit, humane, and not a hate group. A nice, clean organization you can be proud of. Give it your best shot.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
22. Besides this "team" fight your engaging in here on this forum,
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 06:59 AM
Apr 2013

Anything else about the OP or Israel Palestine conflict you want to comment on?

Or is this all about some kind of reality show fraternity "competition " with opposing "teams"?

Who's on your "team"? Are you going camping or for beers this weekend? Do you get together and discuss strategy? Has your "team" got a name?

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