In Hamas TV show, Gaza children sing praises of suicide bombing

[shira]

Last edited Mon Oct 14, 2013, 04:39 PM - Edit history (1)

Hamas recently broadcast a children’s television program in which kids who appeared to be no older than 10 extolled the virtue of suicide attacks and expressed their desire to blow themselves up in order to liberate Jerusalem and the entirety of Palestine.

The al-Aqsa TV program broadcast in the Hamas-run Gaza Strip, translated by the MEMRI (Middle East Media Research Institute), featured the grandchildren of Umm Nidal, a former Hamas MP from Gaza who celebrated the deaths of her three sons who carried out suicide attacks against Israelis. Umm Nidal died in March in Gaza.

Umm Nidal’s granddaughter said she was proud of the actions of her father — who produced the first Kassam rockets to hit southern Israel — and wished to be a martyr for Hamas as well.

Another granddaughter launched into a rousing speech in which she called “upon all Muslim mothers, daughters, and sisters – Al-Aqsa Mosque expects us to be the next generation to march toward it. Do not spare us the commanders, the soldiers, and the martyrdom-lovers. The mothers send their sons to victory or to paradise, Allah willing,” she said.

The assembled grandchildren of Umm Nidal, none of whom looked older than 10, then sang in chorus: “Jihad bestows pride and glory upon you when you become a martyrdom-seeker. Oh explosive device of glory – with her blood she created freedom. Ask (suicide bomber) Fatima Al-Najjar how one should live a life of pride.”

more...
http://www.timesofisrael.com/gaza-children-extol-virtues-of-jihad/

[oberliner]

1. "A man in a chicken costume received the singing with applause."

That was one weird looking chicken.

[Turbineguy]

2. Pathetic really.

[DesertFlower]

3. i've seen videos similar to this.

really sick.

[Purveyor]

4. translated by the MEMRI (Middle East Media Research Institute)...enough said.

MEMRI offers specialized content for a fee.[2] Critics charge that it aims to portray the Arab and Muslim world in a negative light, through the production and dissemination of inaccurate translations and through selectivity in choosing extreme views to publicize.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Media_Research_Institute

[holdencaufield]

5. So ... you're saying it didn't happen?

Perhaps it was a cooking show that was mistranslated?

I have no doubt that MEMRI's choice of media is selective but, judging from the volume they produce, they don't seem to have a hard time finding examples to select.

If anything, they probably have much more than they can possibly handle. I would be curious to see what ends up on their cutting-room floor.

[shira]

17. Right, nothing to see here! Let's move on with more anti-Israel propaganda. n/t

[delrem]

7. Quite honestly, I didn't see much wrong with it.

The chicken costume seems to be edited in. Or the context edited out. As per the MEMRI project...

The segments were obviously cut to emphasize the term "martyr", disregarding the wealth of connotations that Palestinians associate with the term, emphasizing negative connotations that Israelis and Americans (US citizens) have been drilled in. Aiming for a totally negative emotional response.

There was no intent to show *reason* here.

These are people/children living in a state of unrelenting siege with no end in sight. This is after decades of an occupation which decimated their economy, infrastructure, and morale, continuing to this day. This is a state of siege/occupation that has no easy parallel in the totality of it, and the racially motivated absolutism of it.

"Martyr" is the (in translation) term used for one who pays the ultimate price for resistance. I've read that it's used more widely to cover those who die indirectly and simply support the resistance. Considering the incredibly bad odds against the survival of the Gazan people, 80% of whom are refugees, whose economy and social/physical infrastructure has been repeatedly destroyed, who have little or no access to the outside world, I thought these children showed terrific spirit. I applaud them. I applaud them some more.

But I don't blame, or castigate, the large majority of Palestinian children who despair, who suffer depression, absence of hope, and see no future. I think it's terrible that the majority of Palestinian children feel this way, and I don't blame them. These children aren't to blame for their psychological
condition, for the never-ending oppression of their lives, of their parents lives and of the lives of everyone in the community that surrounds them.

They aren't to blame for e.g. IDF trucks spraying a sewage type mixture specially blended to nauseate them on their homes, their neighborhoods. It must have been people straight from hell who decided on *that* tactic of oppression, but it wasn't the oppressed. Nor are they to blame for the cause of the helplessness they feel when those same IDF conduct arbitrary night raids and abduct members of their family, the families of their neighbors, and subject them to kangaroo courts.

I blame MEMRI for omitting these tiny details.

My opinion might bother a right-wing Israeli, one who simply *blinks* when there's criticism of Operation Cast Lead. Who blame the Gazan people when the conditions of their deteriorating water supply are explained. Who blame the Gazan people when it is said that the massive refugee population has been and is subject of disgraceful injustice.

[holdencaufield]

8. So then ...

... encouraging children to become suicide bombers is OK, in this instance?

I'm sure Hamas appreciates your moral support

[shira]

16. Obviously, these children do not need encouragement from Hamas....

...to become suicide bombers who wish to blow innocent people up.

What you're seeing is a natural reaction from kids to what Jews do to an occupied people. We should applaud these kids for wanting to blow up more Jews. Hamas has nothing to do with brainwashing these kids.

Even Mickey knows that...

[delrem]

43. You have the tropes down pat.

I say that Palestinians have the right to resist a decades long occupation/siege which continuously "cleanses" them from their land and essential resources (esp. water) as the oppressors annex it, and which leaves them under seige in a tiny area of Gaza where 80% are refugees and the necessities for life are successively destroyed and denied.

I know you don't give a shit about the conditions Gazans live in, and you don't take a bit of credit for the destruction of the social/political infrastructure that you promote. That whole realm is outside your universe of thought. So I know there's no fucking way to get through to a person like you, to explain why the people you and yours are killing slowly but surely resist, and have a right to resist.

It's always the same when reading/listening to you and yours, you present the spirit of resistance that always exists so long as the oppressed continue to have hope, in their besieged ghettos, as sufficient reason for continuing and furthering the pogrom, the racist crime -- until that hope is entirely extinguished.

OK, I kinda know where you are at, holdencaufield.

[shira]

55. You say the Palestinians have the right to resist via encouraging kids to be suicide bombers....

Says it all, really.

[King_David]

9. "My opinion might bother a right-wing Israeli, "

I'm pretty sure your opinion would bother a Democratic president and a majority of elected Democratic Party representatives too as well as Thomas Mulclair .

[delrem]

10. Like I said, I expected that those like you and holdencaufield would be upset. Even outraged. nt

[holdencaufield]

11. Being upset ... or even outraged ...

... would imply I'm the slightest bit surprised.

[delrem]

12. So, I care? nt

[holdencaufield]

13. Apparently ... yes

You can't seem to stop responding

[delrem]

14. one chickenshit point to holdencaufield. nt

[holdencaufield]

15. I'd like to thank all the little people who made this award possible

[King_David]

20. Extremist views especially on a Democratic Party supporting website

are disappointing and upsetting .

Such marginal extremist views can be found in the most right wing websites freely available on the web.

[delrem]

23. You're upset that I interrupted your hate fest.

[King_David]

24. Hatefest

Views supporting Hamas are to be found on ultra right wing websites such as David Dukes or Rense as well as antiZionist sites.

As a Gay Jew I feel the hate...they don't let me in on those circles.

[delrem]

26. your hatefest.

[King_David]

32. They do do not accept me into these hatefests,

Even when I mention you

[delrem]

33. Selective MEMRI would welcome you and your team with open arms.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/aug/12/worlddispatch.brianwhitaker

[King_David]

34. Oh I thought you were talking about hatefests

Like on Rense,

Google Rense + Memri

Hope that's not where you got your link?

[delrem]

35. I was talking about you and yours, after this OP, of course. The hatefest on I/P, after this OP.

What else?

That you can't see it is because it's part of you, just as you cannot see your own face. A part that you're unwilling to acknowledge. An acknowledgement that you've trained yourself to deflect from, as have other members of your team.
The contributor who posted the OP is, like you, a master of deflection - but then, that contributor is your soul-mate and posts a continuing series of such OPs, all of which encourage you, this OP being one of the least of its kind.

[King_David]

36. 'as have other members of your team'

To you it is US and THEM ?

Reflect please , Jews ,Blacks,Hispanics,Arabs,Muslims and Gays are ALL equal.

STOP THIS !!!

[delrem]

37. please.., your fake outrage is unbecoming.

You poor victim, you.

[King_David]

38. Thought so,

learn acceptance, this is a progressive website.

End of my discussion here with you....

[delrem]

39. That was a discussion?

[Shaktimaan]

42. Sigh. Yet more outright falsehoods from our resident propaganda mill. Np

[shira]

54. Of course you don't see much wrong with it. None of you see child exploitation / abuse.....

...by Hamas, the PLO, and other assorted warmongers encouraging these children to blow themselves up along with a shitload of Jooz.

[shira]

19. You cannot claim to know anything about the conflict when you deny....

...the root causes of it.

[oberliner]

25. What do critics charge about 972mag?

The mind boggles at such hypocrisy.

[Purveyor]

44. Do tell. You are one of the most prolific of 927mag critics. Pull up your file and 'cut and

paste away...

[Shaktimaan]

41. Seems its good enough for Thomas Friedman.

Thomas L. Friedman, a political opinion columnist for The New York Times, has praised MEMRI, and has credited MEMRI with helping to "shine a spotlight on hate speech wherever it appears."[59] Friedman has written in The New York Times that "what I respect about Memri is that it translates not only the ugly stuff but the courageous liberal, reformist Arab commentators as well." In addition, he has cited MEMRI's translations in his op-eds.[60]

From memri's wiki page.

[Purveyor]

45. "Thomas Friedman, Iraq war booster"...

Need anything more be said about "Thomas Friedman"? I'm sure he has his own special table at the AIPAC dinners.

"Thomas Friedman, Iraq war booster"...

At the end of May 2003, America was on the verge of one of its longest-running, most expensive wars in Iraq. Yet Iraq war boosters were feeling vindicated by the swift march on Baghdad, which had fallen within weeks, and the swift collapse of the regime.

New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman, a fan of the Iraq war, appeared on Charlie Rose to crow about this rousing success on May 29 2003. The brief clip below from that interview (the full interview can be found here) is a fascinating glimpse into the id of Washington insiders like Friedman before the invasion in March of that year and for the first few months, at least, of what was to prove a long occupation.

He appears to still think it was the right choice. He wrote last June, in a column on Syria, that: "You can’t go from Saddam to Switzerland without getting stuck in Hobbes — a war of all against all — unless you have a well-armed external midwife, whom everyone on the ground both fears and trusts to manage the transition. In Iraq, that was America" and "the only reason Iraq has any chance for a decent outcome today is because America was on the ground with tens of thousands of troops to act as that well-armed midwife, reasonably trusted and certainly feared by all sides, to manage Iraq’s transition to more consensual politics."

MORE...

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2013/0318/Thomas-Friedman-Iraq-war-booster

[Shaktimaan]

53. Implying what?

That he can't be trusted to use accurate sources. The man has three pulitzer prizes and has authored several books on the middle east. Just because you disagree with him about the Iraq War doesn't really do much to discredit him.

[Fozzledick]

6. THIS is why there is no peace.

And yet some people just can't comprehend it. Could it possibly be more obvious?

[shira]

18. The anti-Israel brigade doesn't wish to "get it". n/t

[muxin]

21. Yes that, and that alone causing there's no peace

the Israel occupation and barricade has nothing to do with it


These children probably don't need any encouragement from anybody to have that feeling toward Israel, how would you feel if you were born and spend all your childhood in an occupied territory and isolated from the world? you thank the people who put you there?

All children in the world are being taught about patriotism, for these children it's simply that, patriotism. Just checkout the lyrics of "Star Spangled Banner" or "When The Saints Go Marching In", those songs are speaking about struggle, fight, sacrifice, blood, and all American children know the lyrics by heart.

Even though I agree, they should tone it down a little and don't get too extreme with the patriotism, creating a TV show where children are talking about rockets is rather disturbing, they should concentrate more on education.

But saying this is the reason why there's no peace is just plain bullshit.

[Fozzledick]

22. THIS IS the reason for the occupation and barricade.

This is what Israel has been defending against for 65 years, long before there was an occupation and barricade. It's not patriotism, it's genocidal belligerence.

If you can't comprehend that, I can only assume that you've chosen to ignore it.

[muxin]

29. Oh please..

You're speaking as if Israel is in a defensive position, are you delusional? They are the aggressor, if they're just defending themselves then why the Palestinian territory keeps shrinking? When you steal people's land and killing them continuously you should've expect this kind of reaction.

And Israel already killed more than 6000 Palestinians so far by the way, including children, now that's the real genocide.

[muxin]

31. My nose does feel a little itchy

and all the things I said ARE historical facts

[Shaktimaan]

40. Really?

You're speaking as if Israel is in a defensive position, are you delusional?

Israel plays both offensive and defensive roles as does Palestine. In a general sense though, the current situation is due to Palestinian aggression. That's plainly obvious to anyone aware of the facts.

They are the aggressor, if they're just defending themselves then why the Palestinian territory keeps shrinking?

It doesn't. It's been greatly expanded in the past decade. And in Gaza especially. Israel withdrew entirely in 2005, even leaving behind a greenhouse infrastructure to kick their economy, paid for via US Jewish philanthropy.

The gazans showed their gratitude by restarting rocket attacks later in the very same day the withdrawal was completed. Then by electing Hamas who dedicated gaza's sparse resources to attacks against Israeli civilians.

When you steal people's land and killing them continuously you should've expect this kind of reaction.

Really? So all the land stolen from Jewish refugees by Arabs would condone the same behavior by them?

And no one is killing Palestinians continuously. They have the lowest casualty rate of just about any 20-21st century conflict on earth and the highest levels of literacy in the whole Arab world. Their refugee agency is one of the largest and best funded of all UN agencies despite the fact that gaza's population aren't technically even refugees at all, having merely left one part of Palestine to resettle in another part.

And Israel already killed more than 6000 Palestinians so far by the way, including children, now that's the real genocide.

6000 out of 6 million is a genocide in your eyes? Where'd you even get that number? 6000 since when? The real number is closer to 15,000... For the entire conflict. All 80+ years of it.

Genocide, please... Jordan killed more Palestinians in a month during black September than Israel has in the past 100 years and no one seems to care about that. Except the Palestinians of course.

[muxin]

49. As for determining who the aggressor is ..

Let's see what the good ol' David Ben Gurion has to say about this:

"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country."
-- David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan's "Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.

It's been greatly expanded in the past decade.

Really? how big? do you even consider how much they have lost?

So all the land stolen from Jewish refugees by Arabs would condone the same behavior by them?

Stolen? When? Which lands? Let's say it happened after the '67, now compare the territory map in 1967 and today, see how much Israel territory has expanded, in other words that's just how much land they have stolen as far as I concern, so there are actually no land stolen from the Jewish refugees, the Arabs just taking back what was theirs, that's a simple logic.

They have the lowest casualty rate of just about any 20-21st century conflict

Low is not zero, so it's still continuing, thanks for clarifying that.

6000 out of 6 million is a genocide in your eyes?

Yes, maybe I'm wrong about the term I was just replying what the other poster said, but 6000 dead is too much already

*By the way there's no minimum number for a mass murder to be called genocide, but let's not argue about that

[Shaktimaan]

52. A question.

If your argument here was truly valid, and your stalwart belief in it were based upon facts and evidence as opposed to bigotry and prejudice then I imagine that you would have just presented honest, truthful evidence that supported your claim. The fact that you saw the need to mutilate these "quotes" to the extent that they eventually appeared to mean something very different than the original text implied, says to me that you do not have much faith in your argument, and even less respect for honesty or the truth. Rewriting history does not make your version the truth you know. That you felt the need to do so in order to protect a point of view that was otherwise defenseless suggests that you value being right over being honest.

Bewn Gurion's complete, un-cut quote within it's original context says the opposite of what you imply here.

Really? how big? do you even consider how much they have lost?

Well, they started with absolutely nothing, then Israel gave them sovereignty over land for the first time in recorded history.

Stolen? When? Which lands? Let's say it happened after the '67

Or we can try using facts instead of a totally "arbitrary" number. I realize that might not be your preference though.

Low is not zero, so it's still continuing, thanks for clarifying that.

You do know that "continuous" and "continuing" are entirely different words with different meanings, right?

Yes, maybe I'm wrong about the term I was just replying what the other poster said, but 6000 dead is too much already

Too much for what, exactly? What do you mean, "too much?"

[Jefferson23]

27. Teaching children to hate each other

Feb 8th 2013, 15:36 by N.P. | JERUSALEM

WHAT should Israel do about a report claiming that Israelis and Palestinians delegitimise each other in their schools? Delegitimise the report, is the response from the Israeli side. Sounding more amenable, Salam Fayyad, the Palestinians’ prime minister, asked for help to improve the curriculum.

“Malicious slander,” cried people in the office of Binyamin Netanyahu, Israel’s prime minister, when a study funded by the American government that compared Israeli and Palestinian textbooks found that both sowed negative stereotypes of each other. After failing to suppress the report, Israeli officials tried to delay its publication. A meeting requested by the researchers and the ministry’s lawyer never materialised. A deputy prime minister and former head of the armed forces expressed irritation that Israelis were being judged by the same yardstick as Palestinians. “We teach peace, they teach war,” said his spokesman.

The report says that Israeli and Palestinian teachers both portray their neighbours as enemies, though Israel does so considerably less. After ploughing through nearly 30,000 pages of text, the researchers found that 49% of texts dealing with Palestinians in Israeli state-issued schoolbooks are negative; in government-funded Orthodox Jewish academies the figure rises to 73%. One such textbook depicts Arabs as “bloodthirsty” and “a nest of murderers”.

In Palestinian textbooks 84% of the references to Israelis are negative. In both Palestinians and Israeli state schools the books promote “martyrdom-sacrifice through death”. Each side glorifies itself, while denigrating the other.

Moreover, the textbooks tend to deny each other’s existence. Of 800 maps of their contested land studied by the researchers, 87% of the Israeli ones mark none of the land between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan river as Palestinian, whereas 96% of Palestinian maps make no mention of Israel. “Israeli school maps feed into the Palestinian narrative that Israel wants to grab more and more land, and Palestinian school maps feed an Israeli narrative that Palestinians want to throw them into the sea,” says Bruce Wexler, the Yale professor who oversaw the project. Israeli critics of the report have panned the Council of Religious Institutions of the Holy Land, an association of local rabbis, imams and priests, who commissioned Mr Wexler, a Jewish American.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/pomegranate/2013/02/israeli-and-palestinian-textbooks

Should be noted that your sources about Hamas are not from a legitimate source such a B'Tselem,
HRW nor AI.

[shira]

48. LOL. Since B'tselem, HRW, and AI avoid the subject, it must not be happening? n/t

[Jefferson23]

50. None of those groups avoid anything. It is your pure desire to imagine your

sources are legitimate.

[mwrguy]

28. Good thing Israelies would never do anything like that

Oh wait

[shira]

47. what are they writing on those bombs? do you know? n/t

[azurnoir]

46. More about MEMRI's 'translations' they like to leave out words mostly little ones

about the translation of the video in comment #16

In 2007, CNN correspondent Atika Shubert and Arabic translators accused MEMRI of mistranslating portions of a Palestinian children's television programme.

"Media watchdog MEMRI translates one caller as saying - quote - 'We will annihilate the Jews,"' said Shubert. "But, according to several Arabic speakers used by CNN, the caller actually says 'The Jews are killing us."'

CNN's Glenn Beck later invited Yigal Carmon onto his program to comment on the alleged mistranslation. Carmon criticized CNN's translators understanding of Arabic stating: "Even someone who doesn't know Arabic would listen to the tape and would hear the word 'Jews' is at the end, and also it means it is something to be done to the Jews, not by the Jews. And she (Octavia Nasr) insisted, no the word is in the beginning. I said: 'Octavia, you just don't get it. It is at the end'". Brian Whitaker, the Middle East editor for the Guardian newspaper (UK) later pointed out that the word order in Arabic is not the same as in English: "the verb comes first and so a sentence in Arabic which literally says 'Are shooting at us the Jews' means 'The Jews are shooting at us'".[39]

Naomi Sakr, a professor of Media Policy at the University of Westminster has charged that specific MEMRI mistranslations, occurring during times of international tension, have generated hostility towards Arab journalists.[55]

Brian Whitaker wrote in a blog for the Guardian newspaper that in the translation of the video, showing Farfour eliciting political comments from a young girl named Sanabel, the MEMRI transcript misrepresents the segment. Farfour asks Sanabel what she will do and, after a pause says "I'll shoot", MEMRI attributed the phrase said by Farfour, ("I'll shoot&quot , as the girl's reply while ignoring her actual reply ("I'm going to draw a picture&quot .[56] Whitaker and others commented that a statement uttered by the same child, ("We're going to [or want to] resist&quot , had been given an unduly aggressive interpretation by MEMRI as ("We want to fight&quot . Also, where MEMRI translated the girl as saying the highly controversial remark ("We will annihilate the Jews&quot , Whitaker and others, including Arabic speakers used by CNN, insist that based on careful listening to the low quality video clip, the girl is saying "Bitokhoona al-yahood", variously interpreted as, "The Jews [will] shoot us"[56] or "The Jews are killing us."

This page was last modified on 16 April 2013 at 01:18.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Media_Research_Institute

bolding mine

[Jefferson23]

56. Where do you come off going after MEMRI like that? They rock.

[azurnoir]

57. well I guess I'm just

anti-semantic or something

[Jefferson23]

58. You're interfering with the " truth " and you need to stop doing that.

One thing I noticed, in the relatively new thread on suicide bombers
and their IDF expert, said poster had brought out an AI link regarding the exploitation
of children and suicide bombings.

In this thread, months old, I was told the following:

48. LOL. Since B'tselem, HRW, and AI avoid the subject, it must not be happening? n/t

That is progress for the poster, at least on some level...well, maybe.

But MEMRI was long ago exposed as part of the RW of Israeli political propaganda.

[ZombieHorde]

51. I wish there was a way to verify what is being said.

If the translation is relatively accurate, then that video is pretty fucked up, in my opinion.