Meet Israel's most popular comedian. He's Arab.

[shaayecanaan]

Amjad embodies an exaggerated version of Kashua's own troubled identity. In Israel, a nation plagued by xenophobia and casual racism, Kashua is the quintessential good Arab, the Arab who passes, who dares not to offend.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/04/12/the_outsider_sayed_kashua?page=0,0

Good article, well worth a read.

[holdencaufield]

1. "Israel, a nation plagued by xenophobia"

That just so happens to be one of the most multicultural countries on this planet -- kind of boggles the mind, don't it?

[delrem]

2. Israel promotes an unicultural, Jewish, ideology.

Israel discriminates against those who aren't Jews, for they can't enjoy the privilege of claiming Israeli nationality, which is *exclusively* Jewish. In fact this circumstance forces the rest of the world to parse the singular meaning that Israel attaches to the term 'nationality' since Israel's usage is, as far as I know, unique.

Multiculturalism promotes a plurality of cultures living side by side and prospering to promote the whole from the interaction, everyone being equal in all respects before the law of the land (the courts being full with cases arguing injustice w.r.t. this ideal). Multiculturalism does NOT contradict legislation that protects certain essential aspects of a culture from the danger of loss through absorption, e.g. language or religious observances, so long as such protections do not deny the rights of others.

Just saying that Israel, established after the Nabka to be a Jewish state (and which demands that Palestinians explicitly recognize it as a Jewish state) "so happens to be one of the most multicultural countries on this planet" does not make it so.

[holdencaufield]

3. "Israel discriminates against those who aren't Jews"

Prove it. Non-Jewish Israeli citizens enjoy all the rights and privileges that do Jewish Israelis. Show me a statutory exception to that.

"... for they can't enjoy the privilege of claiming Israeli nationality, which is *exclusively* Jewish."

This is bald-faced bollocks -- at least 25% or Israel's population are non-Jews -- all of who claim Israeli nationality.

So, it looks like your hatred of that specific ethnicity is based on misinformation (willful or otherwise).

[shaayecanaan]

4. Family reunification

An Israeli can marry someone from Israel, Belgium or Timbuktu and would be entitled to have their spouse migrate to Israel.

An (Arab) Israeli who marries a Palestinian, or someone from Iran, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Libya, Sudan, Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, or Yemen, is not able to have their spouse migrate to Israel.

If such a marriage produces a child, that child could stay with its Israeli mother until he or she is twelve years of age. Thereafter, the child will be deported. Most countries would not accept a child being deported in such circumstances, but in the case of the Palestinians, the IDF can just take the kid and dump them in the West Bank.

[holdencaufield]

5. You're speaking of immigration restrictions...

... which every country -- including our own -- practices.

No American who marries a foreign national is guaranteed the right to bring that foreign national to the US to live. They are subject to the same immigration procedures and restrictions as anyone else. Anyone who would not normally be allowed to immigrate into the US on their own would not be allowed to do so by virtue of being married to an American. The same holds true for Israel.

[shaayecanaan]

7. You are spouting a complete crock of horse shit, as usual...

Anyone who would not normally be allowed to immigrate into the US on their own would not be allowed to do so by virtue of being married to an American.

Completely and utterly false.

http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants/types/types_2991.html

A person who validly marries an American citizen is entitled to lodge an application for an IR1 or CR1 visa, and subject to health and criminal checks will normally be granted that visa, unless there is a reasonable belief that the marriage is not genuine.

[holdencaufield]

8. "You are spouting a complete crock of horse shit, as usual..."

Well, as long as your argument is well-thought out and coherently explained -- Thanks! Mr Oscar Wilde

[holdencaufield]

9. " subject to health and criminal checks will normally be granted that visa"

Do you even read what you post?

You just agreed with me. A person who doesn't pass these checks would not be eligible for immigration and would be denied a visa, regardless of marital status. Marriage is no guaranteed of immigration, in ANY country. But, I know you're only interested in the foibles and follies on ONE country.

Thanks for the confirmation.

[shaayecanaan]

10. You're a liar

Anyone who would not normally be allowed to immigrate into the US on their own would not be allowed to do so by virtue of being married to an American.

That was your claim. It is absolutely false.

If a person is not married to an American citizen, they must either be eligible for a refugee visa (ie have a well-founded fear of persecution) OR qualify for one of the employment based visas, by having qualifications in demand equivalent to a doctorate level or above OR have trade qualifications and an offer of full time employment (which is pretty unlikely as the backlog for that last visa category is six years).

On the other hand, if they are married to an American citizen, they can apply for and receive a residence visa irrespective of whether they hold skills or job prospects or not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_residence_%28United_States%29#Immigration_eligibility_and_quotas

[holdencaufield]

11. In your zeal to vilify Israel ...

... or just Israelis of a specific ethnicity ... you have chosen (I suspect deliberately) to ignore what I wrote and go off on a tangent. However, anyone reading this thread will quickly realize that what I said was ....

"Anyone who would not normally be allowed to immigrate into the US on their own would not be allowed to do so by virtue of being married to an American."

Anyone who fails to pass the physical or criminal screening to be allowed immigration to the US will be denied a visa -- even if they are married to Bill Clinton's daughter (maybe especially until they change those laws).

[shaayecanaan]

12. More horse shit...

I for example, do not hold a Phd., nor do I have an offer of full-time employment from an American firm. Therefore at the present time I would not currently be "allowed to immigrate into the US on my own".

On the other hand, if I were married to an American citizen, I would be able to migrate to the US, as there are no health or background reasons that would preclude me from doing so.

Therefore, while I would not be able to migrate to the US independently, I would be able to do so in the event that I was married to an American. And indeed the situation would be similar for 99% of people currently living in the world.

Therefore your claim that:-

"Anyone who would not normally be allowed to immigrate into the US on their own would not be allowed to do so by virtue of being married to an American."

is false.

[Dick Dastardly]

24. This is full of half truths and falsehoods

Israels immigration laws are similar to those of any other liberal democracy. They are looser than some countries and tighter than others.

An Israeli can marry someone from Israel, Belgium or Timbuktu and would be entitled to have their spouse migrate to Israel.

True. Any Israeli citizen whether Jewish, Arab or whatever can marry a citizen from these and most any country and can have the spouse granted automatic residency. Not all countries grant automatic residency like Israel but have a more in depth process though the end result is usually the same in time. Israel like all countries have some common exceptions like a criminal record that make granting residency to a spouse not automatic and a more in depth process that can also result in denial.

An (Arab) Israeli who marries a Palestinian, or someone from Iran, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Libya, Sudan, Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, or Yemen, is not able to have their spouse migrate to Israel

False. Any Israeli citizen whether Jewish, Arab or whatever(not just Arab as you say) who marries a resident/citizen (not as you allude to someone of those ethnic background) from one of those countries or the Palestinian territories who is under 35 if husband or under 25 if wife is not eligible for automatic residency. They are not banned as you try to allude to but must go through a more in depth process rather than getting granted automatic residency. Since 1993 100,000 Palestinians have been granted residency or citizenship.
This was a temporary law enacted in 2003 due to waves of terrorism that hit Israel. The law has been renewed several times and targets enemy/hostile states that are hotbeds of terrorism. It does not target all Arab or Muslim countries as most are not listed. Many countries have similar restrictions some less and some stricter based on security concerns. Some countries don't grant residency on an automatic basis like Israel and makes everyone go through a regular or more in depth process which is what Israels law makes those from the countries in question do. Some countries list so many exceptions that are wide and vague that it can include just about anyone.
The US does this as well as allow the State Dept to issue temporary security regulations.
http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/ineligibilities/ineligibilities_1364.html

If such a marriage produces a child, that child could stay with its Israeli mother until he or she is twelve years of age. Thereafter, the child will be deported. Most countries would not accept a child being deported in such circumstances, but in the case of the Palestinians, the IDF can just take the kid and dump them in the West Bank.

False. The child of an Israeli citizen is an Israeli citizen with full rights. Such children are not deported when they reach the age of twelve. Did you just make this up?




You can legitimately argue the rightness or wrongness of the temporary law but as usual that is not enough and the MO of using half truths, twisting facts and outright falsehoods in order to demonize Israel is par for the course.
When it comes to Israel it does not matter if there is nothing wrong with something it will be twisted to be something wrong. If it is questionable or wrong it will be twisted to be much worse. If it is something that is commonly done by countries and or is an accepted practice it will be twisted to be wrong and only done by Israel. When such tactics and other various fallacious arguments are so commonly used as is the case with the anti Israel crowd, its pretty obvious they are used due to a lack of legitimate facts and arguments to support their position.



Birth
A child born to an Israeli citizen (including children born outside of Israel as first generation out of Israel) is considered an Israeli citizen. Persons born outside Israel are Israeli citizens, if their father or mother holds Israeli citizenship, acquired either by birth in Israel, according to the Law of Return, by residence, or by naturalization.[1] In other words, the principle of jus sanguinis is limited to only one generation born abroad. Despite this limitation, the descendants of an Israeli national abroad may be eligible to obtain Israeli citizenship through other methods, such as the Law of Return.
[edit]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_nationality_law


From the UN



4. Nationality by birth

(a)The following shall, from the date of their birth, be Israel nationals by birth:

(1)a person born in Israel while his father or mother was an Israel national;

(2)a person born outside Israel while his. father or mother was an Israel national

(a)by return;

(b)by residence in Israel;

(c)by naturalisation;

(d)under paragraph (1).

(b)For the purposes of this section, where a person is born after the death of one of his parents, it shall sufficient if that parent was an Israel national it the time of his or her death

http://www.refworld.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/rwmain?page=country&category=LEGAL&publisher=&type=LEGISLATION&coi=ISR&rid=4562d8cf2&docid=3ae6b4ec20&skip=0








Acquisition of Israeli Nationality

Israel's Nationality Law relates to anyone wishing to settle in Israel, as well as those already residing or born there, regardless of race, religion, creed, sex or political beliefs. Citizenship may be acquired by:

Birth
The Law of Return
Residence
Naturalization


Acquisition of Nationality by Birth is granted to:

Persons who were born in Israel to a mother or father who are Israeli citizens.
Persons born outside Israel, if their father or mother holds Israeli citizenship, acquired either by birth in Israel, according to the Law of Return, by residence, or by naturalization.
Persons born after the death of one of their parents, if the late parent was an Israeli citizen by virtue of the conditions enumerated above at the time of death.
Persons born in Israel, who have never had any nationality and subject to limitations specified in law, if they:
apply for it in the period between their 18th and 25th birthday and
have been residents of Israel for five consecutive years, immediately preceding the day of the filing of their application.


Clip

Acquisition of by Residence

Special provision is made in the Nationality Law for former citizens of British Mandatory Palestine. Those who remained in Israel from the establishment of the State in 1948 until the enactment of the Nationality Law of 1952 became Israeli citizens by residence or by return.

According to an amendment (1980), further possibilities to acquire citizenship by residence were included in the law.


Acquisition of Nationality by Naturalization

Adults may acquire Israeli citizenship by naturalization at the discretion of the Minister of the Interior and subject to a number of requirements, such as:

they must have resided in Israel for three years out of five years preceding the day of submission of the application;
they are entitled to reside in Israel permanently and have settled or intended to settle in Israel;
they have renounced their prior nationality, or have proved that they will cease to be foreign nationals upon becoming Israeli citizens.
The Minister of the Interior may exempt an applicant from some of these requirements.
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/2000_2009/2001/8/Acquisition%20of%20Israeli%20Nationality

[shaayecanaan]

26. Your post is mostly wrong...

Firstly, a lesson or two in statutory interpretation:-

From the Citizenship and Entry Law http://www.knesset.gov.il/laws/special/eng/citizenship_law.htm :-

During the period in which this law shall remain in force, despite what is said in any legal provision, including article 7 of the Citizenship Law, the Minister of the Interior shall not grant the inhabitant of an area citizenship on the basis of the Citizenship law, and shall not give him a license to reside in Israel on the basis of the Entry into Israel Law, and the Area Commander shall not grant a said inhabitant, a permit to stay in Israel, on the basis with the security legislation in the area.

Effectively, this means that the CEL takes precedence over the general provisions of the Citizenship Law.

Further:-

The Minister of the Interior, or the Area Commander, as the case may be, is entitled to grant an inhabitant of an area a license to reside in Israel, or a permit to stay in Israel, for a fixed period, for the purpose of work, or in order to receive medical treatment, and also for some other temporary purpose - for a cumulative period of no more than six months, as well as a license to reside in Israel, or a permit to stay in Israel in order to prevent the separation of a child, aged up to 12, from its parent who is staying in Israel legally;

and:-

The provision also applies to children from the territories (West Bank and Gaza) who wish to live with an Israeli Arab parent.

Children will be affected as well: those over the age of twelve will be denied citizenship and removed from Israel.

http://www.law.northwestern.edu/journals/jihr/v3/5/

Now Israeli Arabs who marry Palestinians from the West Bank or Gaza Strip will either have to move to the occupied territories, or live apart from their husband or wife. Their children will be affected too: from the age of 12 they will be denied citizenship or residency and forced to move out of Israel.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0801-07.htm

They are not banned as you try to allude to but must go through a more in depth process rather than getting granted automatic residency. Since 1993 100,000 Palestinians have been granted residency or citizenship.

And virtually all of them were granted citizenship prior to the introduction of the CEL:-

Within six weeks of the Interior Ministry's halt in requests, the cabinet officially approved the policy, solidifying the freeze and preventing the family unification for thousands of Arabs. A rough estimate of the number of affected Arabs can be drawn from the number of applications for citizenship that have been granted over the past few years. Each year since 1994, the government has granted citizenship to 12,000 Palestinians from the West Bank, Gaza Strip and Jordan who married Israelis.22 Approximately 100,000 individuals, including children, have been added to the Israeli Arab population in the past eight years.

About the only correct point you make in your post is that since 2005, the law no longer precludes husbands older than 35 years or wives younger than 25 years from applying for citizenship, although in Arab culture where people tend to marry young, that is still an effective bar to the vast majority of Palestinian spouses and children married to Israelis.

[delrem]

14. Arab Israeli citizens aren't Israeli nationals. Israel is a specifically Jewish state. nt

[holdencaufield]

15. If you're going to smoke dope and post ...

... bring enough for everyone.

It's just common courtesy.

[delrem]

18. You deny that Israel is a Jewish state, belonging to the Jewish people? nt

[holdencaufield]

19. Israel is a Jewish State ...

... a state for Jews ... but not a state ONLY for Jews. Japan is a state for Japanese that has non-Japanese citizens (less than 15%) China is a state for Chinese that has non-Chinese citizens (less than 9%), Ireland is a state for the Irish with non-Irish citizens (less than 16%) ... starting to get the picture? Israeli is a state for Jews with a non-Jewish population of over 25%.

You know why (though you will refuse to acknowledge publicly) why a Jewish state is necessary in today's world. But, Israel is not, nor ever has been a state only for Jews. Neither is it a state where non-Jews are not equal citizens under the law. There are non-Jewish public officials, high court judges, and members of the Knesset. So, the story you're peddling that only Jews are citizens of Israel is a demented fantasy.

If you're going to attempt to slander Jewish Israelis, at least chose a slander that isn't so demonstrably untrue. If you would accept a suggestion, I think you should go with the baby's blood matzot conspiracy or the international Jewish banking conspiracy -- they're much harder to disprove.

[delrem]

20. You say that Israel is a Palestinian state as well? Do you understand Israel's national anthem? nt

[shaayecanaan]

28. This is absolute bullshit...

An Irish citizen is Irish, a Canadian citizen is Canadian, an American citizen is American. But an Arab Israeli is not Jewish, and therefore the state in which they live is not "for" them.

Only the most inept and inarticulate hasbarados even bother to try and peddle this false analogy even more.

[Shaktimaan]

56. What do you mean

It's not "for" them? What exactly are you talking about?

There are Palestinian citizens of Israel. Israel is the Jewish state like Ireland is for the Irish. There's not a big minority population of indigenous people in Ireland. But the concepts of the state, citizenship and ethic nationality are the same. You can be an Irish citizen without being ethnically Irish. And vice versa. This isn't an uncommon thing.

[Dick Dastardly]

25. This is false. Arab citizens are Israeli nationals.

This has been shown to you many times but you continue to repeat this nonsense.



Here is some links for you.


Acquisition of Israeli Nationality

Israel's Nationality Law relates to anyone wishing to settle in Israel, as well as those already residing or born there, regardless of race, religion, creed, sex or political beliefs. Citizenship may be acquired by:

Birth
The Law of Return
Residence
Naturalization

Full
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/2000_2009/2001/8/Acquisition%20of%20Israeli%20Nationality



Here is something from the UN

http://www.refworld.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/rwmain?page=country&category=LEGAL&publisher=&type=LEGISLATION&coi=ISR&rid=4562d8cf2&docid=3ae6b4ec20&skip=0




From Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_nationality_law

[delrem]

35. Will respond later. In the meantime enjoy yr illusions.

[delrem]

38. "Arab Israeli citizens aren't Israeli nationals. Israel is a specifically Jewish state." A defense.

I wrote this over some time in notepad and it has more the character of a formal argument or exposition than a typical forum rejoiner. On the other hand I post now in reply to a person who quite evidently hasn't read my other responses in the threads that he mentions, so the task I set myself wasn't to enlighten *him*, but rather to collect some important information and put it into an order that makes seeing connections a bit easier.

The dispute:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=39719
Response to holdencaufield (Reply #3)
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 05:14 AM
delrem (862 posts)
14. Arab Israeli citizens aren't Israeli nationals. Israel is a specifically Jewish state. nt

in direct response:
holdencaufield (2,829 posts)
15. If you're going to smoke dope and post ...
... bring enough for everyone.
It's just common courtesy.

Also in direct response:
Dick Dastardly (818 posts)
25. This is false. Arab citizens are Israeli nationals.
This has been shown to you many times but you continue to repeat this nonsense.
++++++++++++++++++++

delrem April 18, 2013
In defense of the 2-part statement
Arab Israeli citizens aren't Israeli nationals. Israel is a specifically Jewish state.

1. Israel is a specifically Jewish state.

Both proof and meaning of this is laid down by Israel's high court, which hearkens
to the definition of Israel.

/begin 1/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Jewish_and_Democratic_State#Israeli_High_Court_of_Justice.27s_commentary
"Regarding the meaning of the definition of "Jewish and Democratic State" in this section of the law,
then President of the Supreme Court of Israel, Aharon Barak, wrote that a narrow interpretation should be given to it,
since it limits a basic right, in contrast to the broader interpretation that should be given to laws concerning
Human rights.

Concerning the minimal interpretation of "a Jewish State", Justice Aharon Barak ruled that:

"What, then are the 'core' characteristics shaping the minimum definition of the State of Israel as a Jewish State?
These characteristics come from the aspects of both Zionism and heritage. At their center stands the right of
every Jew to immigrate to the State of Israel, where the Jews will constitute a majority;
Hebrew is the official and principal language of the State and most of its fests and symbols reflect the
national revival of the Jewish People; The heritage of the Jewish People is a central component of its religious
and cultural legacy".
--Aharon Barak
/end 1/

2. Nationality is distinct from citizenship.

/begin 2/
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Politics/theocracy.html
In a landmark Supreme Court decision, Justice Agranat
ruled against a man who wanted to have his nationality registration changed from "Jewish" to "Israeli" saying:
"There is no Israeli nation separate from the Jewish people." He asserted further that "the Jewish people is composed
not only of those residing in Israel but also of Diaspora Jewry.@ (Oscar Kraines, The Impossible Dilemma: Who is a Jew
in the State of Israel, NY: Bloch Publishing, Co., 1976, p. 67) This conception of nationality does not fit with the
conventional understanding of the term as Menachem Begin explains:

"In Western Europe or the United States, "nationality" is synonymous with "citizenship." A national of a given state is
a citizen of that state, or at least one born under its jurisdiction. In Central and Eastern Europe citizenship and nationality
are distinct. We have Israeli citizens of diverse religions. on the other hand, Jewish nationality and religion must
always go together. (In Eliezer Goldman, Religious Issues in Israel=s Political Life)"
/end 2/

3. This is important enough for the Israeli high court to be involved in judgments re. "Who is a Jew"

/begin 3/
http://www.jewishagency.org/JewishAgency/English/Jewish+Education/Compelling+Content/Eye+on+Israel/Activities+and+Programming/Law+of+Return/20.+High+Court+ruling+in+Who+is+a+Jew+case.htm

IN THE SUPREME COURT SITTING AS HIGH COURT OF JUSTICE
Before the President (Justice Agranat), the Deputy President (Justice Silberg), Justices Sussman, Landau, Berinson, Witkon, Cohn, Many and Kister.
Binyamin Shalit, Petitioner, v. 1. Minister of Interior, 2. Haifa Registration Officer, Respondents (H.C. 58/58).

The High Court, by majority decision, made absolute an order nisi calling upon the Minister of the Interior and the
Haifa Registrar of Inhabitants to show cause why the petitioner's children should not be registered as being "Jewish" by
ethnic affiliation.
/end 3/

4. 'nationality' and 'citizenship' are distinct terms in Hebrew, but often presented as equivalent or the same
in translation.

/begin 4/
Jewish Nationality

http://www.hic-mena.org/documents/HC%20Israel%20mission%20ltr.pdf

The legal distinction between le’om (nationality) and ezrahut (citizenship) became most clear
in the case of George Tamarin v. the State of Israel (1970), wherein a Jewish Israeli had
petitioned to have the official registration of his nationality changed from "Jewish" to "Israeli."
The High Court denied his request as "there is no Israeli nation separate from the Jewish
nation...composed not only of those residing in Israel but also of Diaspora Jewry." Then
president of the High Court Justice Shimon Agranat explained that acknowledging a uniform
Israeli nationality "would negate the very foundation upon which the State of Israel was
formed."
It is incorrect to refer to a status of "Israeli nationality"; it simply does not exist.
Therefore, nationality status in Israel is not linked to residence in a territory, as is the norm in
international law. Instead, the basic theocratic preference of the Israeli legal system
establishes ethnic criteria as the grounds for enjoyment of economic, social and cultural
rights

Also see:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-there-are-no-israelis-in-the-jewish-state/18521
Why There Are no ‘Israelis’ in the Jewish State
Citizens classed as Jewish or Arab nationals
By Jonathan Cook
Global Research, April 06, 2010

Also tightly connected:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/court-rules-judaism-not-place-of-birth-is-grounds-for-israeli-citizenship-1.430676
Court rules Judaism, not place of birth, is grounds for Israeli citizenship
Israeli court denies petition by anti-coercion activist to be recognized as Israeli
without connection to Judaism, says citizenship is solely determined by law of return.
"In his ruling on Tuesday, Judge Daniel Fisch said that it was without a doubt that the petitioner,
Prof Uzzi Ornan, was born to a Jewish mother, and was therefore Jewish, which the law of return
states as the source of his citizenship."

And more recently reconfirmed:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/126858#.UW9u1LUqbIo
Court Rejects Group Appeal to Be Declared "Israeli" in IDs
A group of citizens, most of them Jews, asked to have the "nationality" box in their IDs changed
from "Jewish" to "Israeli." The court refused.
First Publish: 7/15/2008

This can get very picky and mean:
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israeli-investigated-on-his-jewish-status-after-haaretz-interview-1.367961
Israeli investigated on his Jewish status after Haaretz interview
Kibbutz resident Itai Bar believes a Family Affair article is to blame for his case being 'blocked'
at the population registrar office; in the article, Bar is quoted as calling himself a 'Shabbes goy.'

"Bar arrived at the population registrar office in Be'er Sheva to obtain a document he needed.
To his surprise, the clerk there told him his case was "blocked." He said that there was an alert
about my nationality, following a report."
/end 4/

5. Until recently, when the same information was encoded in numbers (easily recognized by any Israeli)
an Israeli Idenity Card openly displayed this information

/begin 5/
http://books.google.ca/books?id=_gAtsgfO6S0C&pg=PA406&lpg=PA406&dq=ezrahut+le'um&source=bl&ots=7xCgjPXxLg&sig=HCLect6RT2f4AFxM6S1M63GCoMw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=bVdtUfDeNIGeiQLehIGYDA&sqi=2&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=ezrahut%20le'um&f=false
The Identity Card of a Hebrew resident of the State of Palestine would read:
Citizenship (Exrahut/al-Jinsiyya): Palestinian
Peoplehood ('Am/al-Shaab): Palestinian-Hebrew
Nationality (Le'um/al-Qawmiyya): Hebrew
Religion (Datlal-Din): None/Muslim/Christian/Jewish/Other

The identity Card of an Arab resident of the State of Israel would read:
Citizenship (Exrahut/al-Jinsiyya): Israeli
Peoplehood ('Am/al-Shaab): Palestinian-Arab
Nationality (Le'um/al-Qawmiyya): Arab
Religion (Datlal-Din): None/Muslim/Christian/Jewish/Other

The identity Card of a Hebrew resident of the State of Israel would read:
Citizenship (Exrahut/al-Jinsiyya): Israeli
Peoplehood ('Am/al-Shaab): Palestinian-Hebrew
Nationality (Le'um/al-Qawmiyya): Hebrew
Religion (Datlal-Din): None/Muslim/Christian/Jewish/Other
/end 5/

6. The legal distinction between le’om (nationality) and ezrahut (citizenship) is ignored
by those who present Israel's Citizenship Law as a "Nationality Law". A translation that
properly recognizes this important distinction is:

/begin 6/
http://www.knesset.gov.il/laws/special/eng/citizenship_law.htm
The Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law (temporary provision) 5763 - 2003
/end 6/

7. The separation of nations in the highest law of the land, describing how the Jewish nation is superior
and state recognized and all others are subordinate nations, has immense consequences and is the foundation
for an apartheid state, prohibiting democratic redress.

/begin 7/
http://newdemocracyworld.org/old/state.htm
Section 7A(1) of the Basic Law of Israel explicitly prevents Israeli citizens - Arab or Jewish - from
using the "democratic" system of Israeli elections to challenge the inferior status of Arabs under the law;
it restricts who can run for political office with this language: "A candidates' list shall not participate
in elections to the Knesset if among its goals or deeds, either expressly or impliedly, are one of the
following: (1) The negation of the existence of the State of Israel as the State of the Jewish People. ..."
In a 1989 Israeli Supreme Court ruling (reported in the 1991 Israel Law Review, Vol. 25, p. 219, published
by the Faculty of Law at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem) Justice S. Levine, speaking for the majority,
ruled that this law meant that a political party could not run candidates if it intended to achieve the
cancellation of one of the fundamental tenets of the State - namely "the existence of a Jewish majority,
the granting of preference to Jews in matters of immigration, and the existence of close and reciprocal
relations between the State and the Jews of the Diaspora."
/end 7/

8. The unequal, asymmetrical law with respect to the rights of people according as their nationality has
immense practical consequences for peoples of the subordinate nationalities.

/begin 8a/
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4174616,00.html

High Court rejects petition against 'Citizenship Law'
Published: Dec 01/2012
Petition against law aimed at limiting reunification of Palestinian, Arab-Israeli families denied in 6:5 vote

The High Court of Justice on Wednesday rejected a petition against the "Citizenship Law" which aims to limit
the reunification of Palestinian and Arab-Israeli families. Six judges voted to deny the petition and five
voted to grant it.
Judges Eliezer Rivlin, Asher Grunis, Miriam Naor, Elyakim Rubinstein, Hanan Meltzer and Neal Handel ruled
that the petition must be denied. In their ruling they wrote that they recognize the right for family reunification
as derived from the right to dignity but ruled that it does not necessarily warrant implementation inside Israel.
/end 8a/

/begin 8b/
http://www.knesset.gov.il/description/eng/eng_mimshal_yesod2.htm#2
Basic Law: Israel Lands
Passed on July 25, 1960, by the fourth Knesset.

The basis of the law is the special relationship between the People of Israel and the Land of Israel and its redemption.
The law ensures that the state lands, which constitute about 90% of the lands in the state, should remain national property.
The law prohibits the transfer of ownership over lands owned by the state, the Development Authority or the
Jewish National Fund, either by sale or by any other means, with the exception of types of land or transactions,
that have been specified in the law.
/end 8b/

9. The People of Israel are the same as The Children of Israel.
B'nei Yisrael ("Children of Israel&quot can denote the Jewish people at any time in history.
Coupled with 8b, above, The Jewish National Fund

/begin 9/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_National_Fund
Jewish National Fund
/end 9/

10. It is important to read the report from the Levy Committee,
Report on the Legal Status of Building in Judea and Samaria,
in light of the abovemeantioned high court legal precedent and basic law.

/begin 10/
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.ca/2012/07/english-translation-of-legal-arguments.html
This gives an English translation of the legal arguments of the report itself, and its
conclusions. Note that this report never once mentions the existence of a Palestinian
people, or terms like 'West Bank', but throughout describes the territory as already
annexed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levy_Report
This gives the standard wiki treatment.
/end 10/

Thank you for reading this synopsis.

[Israeli]

39. great answer delrem

well researched to

I'll add to that this :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Jews

An IDI Guttman Study of 2008 shows that a plurality of Israeli Jews (47%) identify themselves first as Jews and Israeli second, and that only 39% consider themselves first and foremost Israeli

we Left wing post zionists see ourselves as Israeli , first and foremost
and basically what we want is equality for all Israeli citizens no matter their race, religion , sex, creed or color .

[delrem]

40. Thank you Israeli

Believe it or not I read the entire wiki article you linked to, as I read links from shaayecanaan in another subthread.
I think your view (equality of persons within Israel) will win out in the end, but only after the majority of Israelis understand that the war establishing Israel as a nation that both recognizes and protects Jewish culture has already been definitively won.

At one time I was very interested in and studied Buddhist culture at University - my own background being extremely distant. A teacher explained to my class that I should be aware of the fact that both English translations and English exegesis of original texts that I met with in the library stacks owed, in large part, to people who had a "Christian Evangelist" point of view and entered these lands and cultures on a mission. What the teacher was getting across was that many of these translations and explanations were truncated and spun by authors who lived in a bubble. I learned a sense of alienation based in an understanding that I could not *know* what it is to be a Buddhist studying under a Roshi in Central China unless I *became* such a person. That understanding was accompanied by respect.

[Israeli]

41. I live in hope delrem ...

I think your view (equality of persons within Israel) will win out in the end, but only after the majority of Israelis understand that the war establishing Israel as a nation that both recognizes and protects Jewish culture has already been definitively won.

.... but , not under any illusions
its going to take time, equality here has a long way to go

ref : http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4369538,00.html

[shaayecanaan]

50. What happens to people who dont fit any of the boxes?

I think that the "nationality" categories are Jewish, Arab, Druze, Bedouin and Circassian. What happens to people who don't fit into any of those boxes? The Chinese for example?

[Shaktimaan]

55. There are hundreds. Np

[Israeli]

60. my apologies

for taking so long to answer shaayecanaan
but my time on-line is really limited and I am struggling to understand not only the english but also the in-things you all seem to have between each other .
to be honest I really dont understand your question
I'll try ..
Shaktimaan answers you " There are hundreds "
I have no idea how many Chinese live here .... I can tell you that there are thousands of Israeli citizens that dont fit your above categories , many of the Russian immigrants classed as Jewish celebrate Xmas , many Israelis have married non Jews ...their children see themselves as Israelis first and foremost , Judaism has nothing to do with their nationality .

[shaayecanaan]

61. that is fine

Please dont apologise.

I understand that previously the id card of any citizen( תעודת זהות ) declared their nationality as being either jewish, druze, arab or circassian.

On the other hand, some articles indicate that that is still the case:-

http://www.israeli-occupation.org/2011-10-06/yitzhak-laor-us-and-them/

In any event, it seems that people who do not fit into one of the categories were classified as being "without religion".

[Israeli]

62. now you made me smile ...

I'm going off topic but I will try to get back on topic when I can later.

The reason I joined here was because pelsar described Uri Avnery and Gideon Levy as liberal Zionists , they are not , they are post zionists .

One of the first reactions I had was from oberliner who stated that " post zionists " dont exist .

You just linked to Yitzhak Laor..... another post zionist !!!

we call Uri grandfather and Gideon ' The Voice ' ....Yitzhak is our poet :

Lines Of Occupation: The Post-Zionist Poetics Of Yitzhak Laor ---- Book Reiview of The Myths of Liberal Zionism

@ http://www.countercurrents.org/cohen030410.htm

[shaayecanaan]

64. I will have to look that up...

it seems interesting.

One of the things that the right-wing people on here do is try to conflate post-Zionism or anti-Zionism with opposition to the continued existence of Israel as a state, which is obviously misleading.

I don't think that white settlement of North America or Australia was a good or just outcome, but it happened just the same and we are stuck with it. I don't agree with the dispossession of the Palestinians either, but it happened and obviously in a pragmatic sense the Arab states are going to have to come to terms with Israel, because it is not going anywhere.

I am not sure if that makes me "anti" or "post" or neither.

Anyway, I value your contribution here and I am sure that others do too.

[Shaktimaan]

43. Woah

This persons crazy. Her essay is just full of falsehoods that her sparse evidence either flatly doesn't support (sometimes the opposite of her statements) or have broken links.

http://newdemocracyworld.org/old/state.htm
Section 7A(1) of the Basic Law of Israel explicitly prevents Israeli citizens - Arab or Jewish - from
using the "democratic" system of Israeli elections to challenge the inferior status of Arabs under the law;

[delrem]

44. You seem quite upset. You have no argument, but you're upset.

All the links are good.
hint: you have to click them.

Most of the links are to gov't or Zionist sources, and point to arguments and decisions by Israel's high court and to official Knesset statements of basic law.
You say "so what?"
I say get a clue and follow the thread through where "holdencaufield" accuses me of smoking dope, "dick dastardly" claims that what I say is flat out false and claims that I've been refuted.

Truth: I don't give a shit about you jokers. You don't even research and learn about what the political system that you support *is*, in law -- and you prefer your own ignorance. And that's the *best* reading of it.

I used this opportunity to get some notes in order, to find some links to some of the factual information regarding the issue at hand. Info that I'd learned in passing, but where my bookmarks if any were lost in a mess. That's one way that I make participating in this forum, which includes reading accounts from some folk who e.g. actually agree with Benny Morris regarding the beneficial effects of ethnic cleansing and so isn't always exactly a pleasant experience, worthwhile.

For example, the least of the least benefit I got from this research was an understanding of why it is that, according as Israel's basic law and high court decisions, shira is *correct* when she says that honoring the RoR for Palestinian refugees as set down in the Geneva conventions etc would be an *existential threat* to Israel, as defined by those decisions and laws. I didn't learn this from shira, any more than I've ever learned anything from you or holdencaufield or mosby, I learned it from research directed toward, for one thing, discovering the motivation for your appalling views.

[Shaktimaan]

47. you misunderstand

As I said in another thread

You misunderstood my post. I wasn't saying that you were crazy. I was talking about the person who authored the link I included in the post. And she is quite insane. Also wrong about a ton of stuff. Also she recommends a revolution in Israel take place as a means of creating a free and fair society. I was planning on responding to your post, I haven't gotten to it yet.

-----

That's one way that I make participating in this forum, which includes reading accounts from some folk who e.g. actually agree with Benny Morris regarding the beneficial effects of ethnic cleansing and so isn't always exactly a pleasant experience, worthwhile.

You disagree that the Nakba had enormous benefits for the nascent state of Israel? You realize that this is different from disagreeing with the ETHICS of the Nakba, right?

For example, the least of the least benefit I got from this research was an understanding of why it is that, according as Israel's basic law and high court decisions, shira is *correct* when she says that honoring the RoR for Palestinian refugees as set down in the Geneva conventions etc would be an *existential threat* to Israel, as defined by those decisions and laws.

There is no RoR in the Geneva Conventions, for Palestinians or anyone else. The statute you're referring to has no precedent of being interpreted as a right for huge groups of refugees displaced by war to return to where they fled from. (Not to mention, Israel did nothing to stop the victims of the Nakba from residing in the West Bank, Gaza or East Jerusalem, which was still Palestine... the same place they came from.

Not to mention, the statute you're referencing didn't even exist when the Nakba occurred.

That said, you really had trouble understanding why bringing in a population equal to almost a state's entire present population, comprised of a nation it's been fighting for the past 80 years would be the equivalent of its destruction?

I didn't learn this from shira, any more than I've ever learned anything from you or holdencaufield or mosby, I learned it from research directed toward, for one thing, discovering the motivation for your appalling views.

I love that you had to research the cause of our "appalling views" yourself because had you merely asked us we probably would have corrected your interpretation of our ideas and then given you accurate information to use explaining why we have them.

That's no fun, is it?

[delrem]

48. I don't think you're rational.

Your response has zilch to do with my post citing sources in basic law and high court decisions regarding the meaning of "national" versus "citizen" in Israel. You just aren't rational, that's all there is to it.

[Shaktimaan]

49. Because I haven't replied to that post yet probably.

I was just replying to the post direcly before it.

My first post calling "this person's essay crazy" wasn't responding to you at all. It was in response to a single one of your links, which I quoted and posted the link to.

Understand?

[delrem]

51. I think you should clean up your act.

[Shaktimaan]

52. I'm sorry? np

[delrem]

53. My purpose was to set down, as clearly and concisely as I could,

the Israeli *law* w.r.t. 'nation' vs 'citizen'.
I was responding to people *on your team* who said that I was smoking dope, flat out wrong, when claiming there's an essential *difference*.

You say that you in your initial response you weren't responding to my post but only to a certain link in it. OK, I stand corrected.
Note that the link you cite is the *only* link that isn't purely factual, but proposes an argument, albeit one *based in law*. (So a complaint about the argument should show how it is mistaken *in law*).

But then you go on to flagellate about ethnic cleansing again:
"You disagree that the Nakba had enormous benefits for the nascent state of Israel? You realize that this is different from disagreeing with the ETHICS of the Nakba, right?"

I had said fuck all about the Nakba in my post re 'nation' vs 'citizen', it is *you* who is trying to make some gawdawful point. You should start a new OP for that rather than addressing me asserting how you imagine *I* think.

In fact I *do not* think ethnic cleansing was a good move in '48, for Israel or anyone else.

Now you say:
"I love that you had to research the cause of our "appalling views" yourself because had you merely asked us we probably would have corrected your interpretation of our ideas and then given you accurate information to use explaining why we have them.
That's no fun, is it?"

Allow me to correct you *again*. I was responding to holdencaufield and Dick Dastardly, who, in deriding me, were *totally wrong* about the basic facts regarding
1. the definition of Israel as a Jewish state, and
2. the distinction between national vs citizen of Israel.
These two did give me "an interpretation", but one that is flat out wrong. Nor did you help.
So don't tell me that if I'd only asked I'd have been given an account better and more accurate than the account I posted.

[Shaktimaan]

54. I was just replying to...

Things you specifically wrote in your post to me.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=39981

I had said fuck all about the Nakba in my post re 'nation' vs 'citizen', it is *you* who is trying to make some gawdawful point. You should start a new OP for that rather than addressing me asserting how you imagine *I* think.

The Nakba, Benny Morris, ethnic cleansing, and how you researched my appalling views are all bits of a post where you initiated them. If you don't want to discuss, fine. But you keep bringing them up.

In fact I *do not* think ethnic cleansing was a good move in '48, for Israel or anyone else.

That's fine but every time I've asked you to give me your alternative plans for that specific situation you've fled. To clarify again, I don't "support" ethnic cleansing. I do recognize its necessity though when fighting a "total war" against an enemy who is also employing ethnic cleansing with the intention of fully destroying your "state." If the options are massacring the enemy, ethnic cleansing or suffering either yourself then one has limited options.

Recall that at the time, the yishuv was badly losing and had already suffered the loss of several mass killings as settlements/kibitzes were overcome. Jerusalem was under siege, broken only after plan d was implemented.

You may have to learn some actual history here so brace yourself.

So a complaint about the argument should show how it is mistaken *in law

Why? I'm arguing with your interpretations, not your basic statement. Israel does draw a distinction bt citizenship and nationality. That's true. Everything else you wrote is wrong, not that.

[Shaktimaan]

42. So what?

This is just semantics. Israeli-Arabs are mostly of Palestinian nationality versus Jewish nationality. They are all Israeli citizens entitled to equal rights under the law. Nationality is ethnicity. It doesn't imply legal discrimination exists. Racism certainly exists but not really in the sense you're asserting.

Nations based on ethnicity are common and not considered to be inherently racist systems. So long as minority citizens aren't denied equal rights then there's really nothing wrong with such states. And Israeli-Arabs are guaranteed equality under the law.

Your propaganda about marriage and such in Israel is totally fictional. The recent law that restricts married spouses from Palestine from entering Israel is a far cry from your idea that Israel restricts foreign spouses of all Arab citizens. The law doesn't apply to Israelis based on their ethnicity. But I am not surprised you heard such a thing from your unbalanced sources.

[Israeli]

16. "Israel discriminates against those who aren't Jews"

some do holdencaufield

actually many do , otherwise we would all be described as Israelis and not as Israeli Jews or Israeli Arabs or Israeli Christians or Russians or Ethiopians or goyeem .

at least 25% or Israel's population are non-Jews

personally I think the % is much higher , depends on how you define who is a Jew and who is not

which brings me to this :

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/moriel-rothman/israel-is-not-a-jewish-state_b_1603422.html

Jewish history has been transformed by Israeli policy from a rich, complex legacy of human suffering and triumph to a stale combination of archeological findings and Biblical quotes, wielded together as weapons against human beings who happen to not be Jews, to expel them from their homes and to strip them of their land and their dignity.

[holdencaufield]

17. "some do, holdencaufield"

Of course they do ... some people in every country on this planet discriminate against others. Americans, French, Saudis, Canadians, Muslims, Xtian and Jew all human societies contain different levels of discrimination. Discrimination is as natural to human beings as breathing and whatever those who hate Jews might think -- we are VERY human.

But ... we aren't talking about social discrimination (which exists everywhere), we are talking about legal discrimination, under the law, of Israeli citizens of different faiths. As a matter or law and state policy ... all citizens of Israel, Jewish or not, are subject to the same laws. Israel has very strict laws to attempt to prevent discrimination in employment, products, services and entry into places of entertainment and public places.

[Israeli]

21. really

we are talking about legal discrimination, under the law, of Israeli citizens of different faiths.

this must be a figment of my imagination then :

http://adalah.org/eng/Israeli-Discriminatory-Law-Database

[holdencaufield]

23. It took some time ...

... and I'm never going to get that time back -- to go through Adalah's comprehensive databse. I didn't go through every case in Adalah's over-litigious basket, but every one I saw could be used to prove exactly what I'm trying to say -- the laws don't specifically single out Muslims, or Xtians, or Buddhist for loss of their rights as citizens. On the contrary -- as I was trying to explain -- in Israel, as with every other country on Earth, citizens who are convicted of criminal offences lose some of their rights as citizens by virtue of their criminal convictions. This isn't a situation unique to Israel -- as much as some would like to believe just that.

In our own country, certain convicted criminals lose their right to vote, their right to bear arms, their right to associate freely and even -- in the case of naturalized citizens to the US -- their citizenship. Adalah's tries to make the case that the Muslim population is more affected by the legislation than the Jewish population but you could make the same case for US blacks as the black prison population is significantly out of demographic proportion with the black population of the US. Many make the case that this is because of bias in the legal system and I agree, the legal system is biased against those who are socioeconomically disadvantaged. But, that doesn't make it deliberate or systemic discrimination by law. Black people do not have legal 2nd class status in the US and non-Jews don't have legal 2nd class status in Israel.

Other laws to which Adalah take exception are not aimed at Israeli citizens at all, but to Palestinians in the territories who are, by definition, not Israeli citizens. We do the very same thing in our country, where foreign nationals are routinely shipped off to detention centres in Cuba (or worse) for detention with out trial or eventual military tribunals.

I never made the claim -- nor would I -- that Israel is a perfect place. Israel is a democracy and everyone in a democracy can point out the gaping flaws of their own system. Who would want to live in a perfect place? But, it is hypocritical in the extreme to single out Israel for criticism of their laws when those very same laws exist in most of the countries in the world, including our own, and we don't raise a similar or higher level of outrage at the plank in our own eyes (to quote the Xtians).

And, to claim that Israeli citizens, who aren't Jewish have legal 2nd class status is demonstrably untrue.

[shaayecanaan]

27. So a boycott of Israel is not anti-semitic?

After all, a boycott of Israel is not singling out Jews, but Israelis.

[holdencaufield]

29. A boycott -- in itself -- is not antisemtic, No

However, it would depend upon the reasons -- the actual reasons and not just the politically correct stated version -- for the boycott.

Example, last year in Melbourne, Australia when BDS protestors were smashing the windows of JEWISH (not Israeli) businesses, because they had an ethnic association with Israeli, that WOULD be antisemitic, Yes.

[shaayecanaan]

30. Again, another giant crock of horse shit

The business in question, Max Brenner, was and remains an Israeli chocolate shop chain, which sends chocolate gifts to its "favourite" parts of the Israeli armed forces (notably the Golani brigade).

The protests did not involve any smashing of windows. If anything, the violence involved was chiefly on the part of the police.

&feature=player_embedded

But as you said, you have no problems with the boycott of an Israeli business, right?

[holdencaufield]

31. I agree with Kevin Rudd (former PM of Australia) ...

... and his reaction to the violent protest of a Jewish-owned business

"“I don't think in 21st-century Australia there is a place for the attempted boycott of a Jewish business.”

He's right -- we all know where that leads

[shaayecanaan]

33. I agree with Ehud Olmert (former PM of Israel)

“I shudder to think that liberal Jewish organisations that shouldered the burden of struggle against apartheid in SA will lead the struggle against us.”

I also agree with Ehud Barak (former PM of Israel):-

"As long as in this territory west of the Jordan river there is only one political entity called Israel it is going to be either non-Jewish, or non-democratic. If this bloc of millions of ­Palestinians cannot vote, that will be an apartheid state."


I also agree with Nelson Mandela (former President of South Africa):-

"The histories of our two peoples (Palestinian and South African) correspond in such painful and poignant ways that I intensely feel myself at home amongst my compatriots."

[oberliner]

45. We won't turn our back on Gaddafi - Nelson Mandela

This quote was from around the same time as the one you cited (1999):

I shall therefore take the liberty to invite our guests to rise and raise their glasses with me in salute to Muamar Qaddafi, our Brother Leader of the Revolution of the Libyan Jamahariya, and to growing friendship between the people of our two countries.

http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71656?oid=222537&sn=Detail

[delrem]

46. I can't protest that Mandela recognizes who was and wasn't against Apartheid. nt

[Shaktimaan]

57. Even if its irrelevant and unrelated.

This speech at a banquet honoring Qaddafi mentioned their growing friendship. Not apartheid. Apartheid had already ended. This was about SA building a relationship with Libya despite international condemnation.

Not that I care about that. But I wanted to point out that you just keep making up random history out of nothing.

[delrem]

58. "Not that I care about that" Then shut up. nt

[pelsar]

59. ooohhhhh...

shut up?...what are you in 3rd grade?
(either that or a college student...sometimes hard to tell the differences)

[azurnoir]

6. Interesting thanks

a comedy series about a nonthreatening Arab

[shaayecanaan]

13. in many ways he seems stereotypically Jewish...

particularly in the way he exhibits crises of identity, and so forth. A bit Woody Allenesque.

[azurnoir]

22. well for my part

I've always thought the ID crisis thing more Western but as far as this show goes it reminded me of something that would have been the equivalent of a show run on the WB network in the '90's in the US

The WB Television Network began programming on Sunday nights in the 1995–1996 season, but none of the new shows (including the Kirk Cameron vehicle Kirk and night-time soap opera Savannah) managed to garner much viewing interest. Still, the network continued to expand in the 1996–1997 season, adding programming on Monday nights.[7] This season gave The WB modest hits in the family drama 7th Heaven and comedies The Steve Harvey Show and The Jamie Foxx Show.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_WB_Television_Network

[Jefferson23]

32. Good for him, no matter how he is perceived by Palestinians, it take balls to give this a go. From

the perspective of the viewership, they watch him in a box..no wonder they're not threatened.
At least not yet.

K&R

[shaayecanaan]

34. Yes

A bit like minstrelsy performances at the turn of the century. Just because they found them entertaining, doesnt mean that they would have liked them to move next door.

[oberliner]

36. He lives in a primarily Jewish neighborhood

He lives in a primarily Jewish neighborhood by choice, having moved there from the primarily non-Jewish neighborhood where he was born. He has spoken positively about his Jewish neighbors in interviews, even while speaking critically about some Israeli political figures.

[shaayecanaan]

37. Welcome back (nt)

[oberliner]

63. Meet Israel's most popular Arab. He's a comedian.

That would have been a better title.