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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 12:57 AM Apr 2013

Report Uncovers 'Water-Apartheid' in the Occupied West Bank

Study of Israel's discriminatory practices links water grab to settlement expansions in occupied Palestinian territory

- Lauren McCauley, staff writer

A new report on Israel's water grab in the occupied West Bank links the widespread deprivation of Palestinian water rights to Israel's settlement expansion strategy, saying both demonstrate "a clear testament to its colonial and apartheid motives."

Published Monday by the Ramallah-based human rights organization Al-Haq, "Water for One People Only: Discriminatory Access and 'Water-Apartheid' in the Occupied Palestinian Territory," (pdf) reports that Israel has claimed up to 89% of an underground aquifer that is largely located in the West Bank, giving Palestinians only access to the remaining 11%.

The water grab has fueled increased discrepancy in water usage in the region with the 500,000 Jewish settlers consuming approximately six times the amount of water used by the 2.6 million Palestinians living in the West Bank—with the discrepancy growing even greater when agricultural water use is accounted for.

“There is a grave injustice in the division of water, and the results have been catastrophic,” Tawfiq Salah, mayor of West Bank village al-Khader, told Al-Monitor.

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Report Uncovers 'Water-Apartheid' in the Occupied West Bank (Original Post) Purveyor Apr 2013 OP
LOL King_David Apr 2013 #1
Oh please _David. Laughter is what we expect from the R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #2
FYI I don't" discuss " anything with you. King_David Apr 2013 #3
why do you claim oberliner and then link to your own post? azurnoir Apr 2013 #4
I was just emphasizing I don't discuss Nazi comparisons King_David Apr 2013 #6
Perhaps it is tme for you to post a few photos and tell us what you really think. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #19
Run rabbit run. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #7
This is hardly the first report of this the World Bank also did one azurnoir Apr 2013 #5
And yet some people want to run away and cry foul when the truth R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #8
You wouldn't know the truth if it came up and bit you on the ass. shira Apr 2013 #10
Water Libel? R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #20
The water libel shira Apr 2013 #9
LOL... The 'water-libel'? Thanks for the {{{chuckle}}}, indeed! eom Purveyor Apr 2013 #11
Yea kinda rips the OP to shreds, King_David Apr 2013 #12
Hate propaganda is preferred by some over the facts. n/t shira Apr 2013 #13
You should have used 'bing'... ;) eom Purveyor Apr 2013 #14
Why didn't your source quote Israel's Water Authority? shira Apr 2013 #15
Israel's Water Authority? Oh I'm certain they are a 'reliable, unbiased authority' on this matter, Purveyor Apr 2013 #16
You're right. Zionists lie. The PA is always honest. n/t shira Apr 2013 #17
I trust neither but one is maintaining apartheid...the other isn't. eom Purveyor Apr 2013 #18
Let the facts speak for themselves. Get both sides of the story.... shira Apr 2013 #21
Well, perhaps if Lebanon were to offer the Palestinians their own land back after years of theft R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #23
Yeah, I can't expect a "humanist" like yourself to give a fuck... shira Apr 2013 #24
Oh, Shira Shira. We all know who gives a f@ck and who doesn't around here. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #31
You shouldn't advertise you're pro-Palestinian when.... shira Apr 2013 #33
Do tell? R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #35
Go on, insist you're pro-Palestinian. Pull that other leg. n/t shira Apr 2013 #37
My record and statements have been clear on the I/P issue as are your R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #38
I deplore them however Lebanon isn't our bastard child and receiving billions a year in US taxpayer Purveyor Apr 2013 #26
Egypt and the MB is a bastard child of the US taxpaying public... shira Apr 2013 #29
How many illegal settlements are Egypt and Pakistan R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #34
His smokescreen was tax dollars and apartheid. That's proven to be bullshit.... shira Apr 2013 #36
You haven't made any case, Shira, except to solidly make yourself look exceedingly R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #40
You're funny. Now as to your settlements and occupation argument.... shira Apr 2013 #42
Thank you. I expected you to push the discussion away from Israel R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #44
Don't pretend you single out Israel for good reason. shira Apr 2013 #45
This is the I/P forum, Einstein. You do understand that, right? R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #46
We wouldn't be funding Egypt if it were not for Israel to 'keep the peace'. The $$$ to Egypt must Purveyor Apr 2013 #39
At least we agree that our non-support of Mubarak.... shira Apr 2013 #41
Same mistake is about to be made with Assad in Syria even though the ghoul needs to burn in hell. Purveyor Apr 2013 #43
Why is Shira talking about anything except the OP: water usage? R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #48
Yes, folks, we have todays winner on truth. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #32
I always love that old standard. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #22
It's not a standard. It's true.... shira Apr 2013 #25
Actually, Shira, if there was ever a lie more blatantly pernicious I'm not sure R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #28
Apartheid King_David Apr 2013 #27
We support 'apartheid', they support Fascism. Fair is fair, right? n/t shira Apr 2013 #30
Well, at least you admit what you support. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #47

King_David

(14,851 posts)
1. LOL
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 08:00 AM
Apr 2013

Everything's "Apartheid" or on another thread a poster has been making comparisons to Nazis.

It's gaining credibility ..

Ha ha ha..

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
2. Oh please _David. Laughter is what we expect from the
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 09:52 AM
Apr 2013

supporters of such a sad state.

And you really know that the comparison was made between Palestinians of today with that of the European Jews of WWII.

Is that what burns your ass?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
4. why do you claim oberliner and then link to your own post?
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 04:27 PM
Apr 2013

with what appears to me to be a photo shopped picture?

King_David

(14,851 posts)
6. I was just emphasizing I don't discuss Nazi comparisons
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 04:45 PM
Apr 2013

With anyone and probably won't discuss anything at all with that particular poster.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
19. Perhaps it is tme for you to post a few photos and tell us what you really think.
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 08:12 PM
Apr 2013


But seriously that sounds like a winning ticket for you.


Not back to reality and Israeli apartheid: waterworld edition.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
5. This is hardly the first report of this the World Bank also did one
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 04:32 PM
Apr 2013

a couple of years back, reporting much the same, but then we were told it was all the Palestinians fault because they just don't know how to handle water or something

here is a visual from +972 which of course we'll be told is false



 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
8. And yet some people want to run away and cry foul when the truth
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 06:26 PM
Apr 2013

is posted for all to see.

It makes one wonder what they are afraid of.
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
10. You wouldn't know the truth if it came up and bit you on the ass.
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 07:05 PM
Apr 2013

See the 'Water Libel' below.

That is, if you're interested in the truth and aren't afraid of it...

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
20. Water Libel?
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 08:16 PM
Apr 2013


You should work for The Onion, but they might not think what you are selling is believable enough.



 

shira

(30,109 posts)
9. The water libel
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 07:03 PM
Apr 2013

Last edited Fri Apr 12, 2013, 07:46 PM - Edit history (1)

A recently released official French report that blames Israeli “apartheid” water policies for Palestinian water problems was angrily rejected by Israel, and a Foreign Ministry spokesman noted that the “systematic evading of simple facts that are available for verification within the field indicate the blatant bias of the author.” But the French report was (unsurprisingly) not the first one to falsely accuse Israel of depriving the Palestinians of water that is rightfully theirs.

In October 2009, Amnesty International made similar charges in a report that was poetically entitled “Troubled Waters.” Israel responded to the allegations by pointing out that the Amnesty report “ignore[d] Israeli data, papers and reports, although they contain verifiable facts presented with total transparency. This questionable approach, which consists in systematically disregarding Israeli material while relying exclusively on Palestinian allegations, raises doubts as to the real intentions of the report’s authors and of the organization itself.” The Water Authority also provided a detailed response refuting Amnesty’s claims.

By now, there is also a new study by Professor Haim Gvirtzman, a hydrologist at the Institute of Earth Sciences at the Hebrew University, who highlighted how ridiculous the charge of “apartheid” was by pointing out that since 1967, Israel had connected more than 700 Palestinian villages to running water. Or, to quote the statement by Israel’s Water Authority:

Before the Six Day War in 1967, only about 10% of Palestinian households in the West Bank were connected to a central water system, while today more than 90% receive regular supply of water.


Yet, there is no reason to assume that any of Israel’s detailed refutations will prevent the recycling of the claims made by Amnesty or the new French report – and, needless to say, the media and the anti-Israel blogosphere also love to deal with this subject.

I think of it as the “water libel” because it often echoes the medieval accusations that Jews were poisoning wells.
One widely noted example is the “Stinking Op-ed” penned by the now disgraced British columnist Johann Hari to mark Israel’s 60th anniversary in 2008. Another arguably even more revealing example is a Guardian article by Victoria Brittain that was published in December 2009 under the title “Who will save Gaza’s children?” Brittain claimed that due to Israel’s blockade of Gaza...


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King_David

(14,851 posts)
12. Yea kinda rips the OP to shreds,
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 07:41 PM
Apr 2013

Ill do a google search to see if any credible articles available ...

Just did one and nope there aren't any!

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
15. Why didn't your source quote Israel's Water Authority?
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 07:56 PM
Apr 2013

If they have a case against Israel, they should be able to run it through Israel's Water Authority, and if not satisfied with their answers then show how they're wrong.

Note how real journalists/reporters go to both sides for a story?

Your sources don't do that.

That's called propaganda.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
16. Israel's Water Authority? Oh I'm certain they are a 'reliable, unbiased authority' on this matter,
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 08:00 PM
Apr 2013

indeed.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
21. Let the facts speak for themselves. Get both sides of the story....
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 08:17 PM
Apr 2013

...WRT the water situation.

The Water Authority report is very transparent and demolishes this water apartheid myth.

=======

You like the pinning the apartheid label on Israel, don't you?

So tell me, what do you think of Lebanon's apartheid policies vs. the Palestinians there?

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
23. Well, perhaps if Lebanon were to offer the Palestinians their own land back after years of theft
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 08:21 PM
Apr 2013

they'd be called Israelis.

On edit: I do have to applaud you, Shira. Last month or so you were screaming about floatillas to landlocked Tibet in order to draw attention away from Israel, and now your commentary has wandered to only one country over. Good for you.

Perhaps your errant human rights dialog will upend: taking a headlong spill right into the West Bank and more importantly reality.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
24. Yeah, I can't expect a "humanist" like yourself to give a fuck...
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 08:23 PM
Apr 2013

....about the most blatantly obvious, textbook-definition type of apartheid vs. Palestinians going on in Lebanon.

Flotillas again?

Note how your lot isn't sending any to Lebanon or Syria either. They care so much.....

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
31. Oh, Shira Shira. We all know who gives a f@ck and who doesn't around here.
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 08:42 PM
Apr 2013

I don't make excuses for Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iran, Iraq, Hamas, the PA or Israel.

Which one on the list can you say you don't either?
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
33. You shouldn't advertise you're pro-Palestinian when....
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 08:46 PM
Apr 2013

...you're only pro-Palestinian so long as Israel can be blamed.

So no, you don't give a fuck.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
35. Do tell?
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 08:50 PM
Apr 2013

...you're only pro-Palestinian so long as Israel can be blamed.


Is that another Freudian Schlep? Are you admitting that Israel is involved?



Hush now, on the heavy f@cks, Shira.
 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
38. My record and statements have been clear on the I/P issue as are your
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 09:01 PM
Apr 2013

marathon deflections away from any question that might bring the truth out. I'll ask you again.

...you're only pro-Palestinian so long as Israel can be blamed.



Is that another Freudian Schlep? Are you admitting that Israel is involved?
 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
26. I deplore them however Lebanon isn't our bastard child and receiving billions a year in US taxpayer
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 08:29 PM
Apr 2013

dollars.

I invite you to shine light on the Lebanon/Palestinian situation but my issue and embarrassment is with the US blindly supporting apartheid israel and the atrocity that is Palestine.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
29. Egypt and the MB is a bastard child of the US taxpaying public...
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 08:40 PM
Apr 2013

....but that doesn't seem to bother you. They practice apartheid vs. Palestinians...
http://www.fmreview.org/FMRpdfs/FMR20/FMR2013.pdf

Pakistan is also supported by US tax dollars and they practice apartheid...
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/guestvoices/2011/01/apartheid_in_pakistan.html

Oops?


 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
34. How many illegal settlements are Egypt and Pakistan
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 08:47 PM
Apr 2013

building in the West bank currently?

It's always the smokescreen with you, right?
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
36. His smokescreen was tax dollars and apartheid. That's proven to be bullshit....
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 08:50 PM
Apr 2013

Just calling him out for it.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
40. You haven't made any case, Shira, except to solidly make yourself look exceedingly
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 09:03 PM
Apr 2013

foolish.

Please don't put words in Purveyor's mouth.
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
42. You're funny. Now as to your settlements and occupation argument....
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 09:22 PM
Apr 2013

...the US supports Turkey to the tune of billions also, despite their illegal occupation of Cyprus, their own illegal settlements, Kurdistan, denial of genocide, etc.

And your response to that is crickets.

Got any more bullshit you're selling tonight?

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
44. Thank you. I expected you to push the discussion away from Israel
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 09:33 PM
Apr 2013

and you didn't fail to entertain me.

I'm not sure where you are going with this except nowhere?

The US also supported Iraq at one point. They supported Mubarak; which Israel also did.


This is the I/P forum, no matter how hard you try to squirm out of it not being it.


And just to be clear, just because injustice happen elsewhere does not Justify Israel's injustice over the Palestinians: no matter how shrill you wish to become.
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
45. Don't pretend you single out Israel for good reason.
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 09:44 PM
Apr 2013

That you care so much about Palestinians, or care about your tax dollars, or care about illegal settlements, occupation, etc.

That's bullshit piled on top of bullshit.

Got anymore?

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
39. We wouldn't be funding Egypt if it were not for Israel to 'keep the peace'. The $$$ to Egypt must
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 09:03 PM
Apr 2013

be stopped and our non-support of Murbarak, as criminal as he is, was a great mistake.

$$$ to Pakistan, well they have a nice stockpile of nukes. Sort of like paying the 'purple gang' protection money, eh?

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
43. Same mistake is about to be made with Assad in Syria even though the ghoul needs to burn in hell.
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 09:28 PM
Apr 2013

At least we 'know him'...these 'rebel groups', not so much.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
22. I always love that old standard.
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 08:20 PM
Apr 2013

Because one criticizes Israel it must certainly mean that they love the PA, Hamas or terrorists.
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
25. It's not a standard. It's true....
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 08:25 PM
Apr 2013

You enthusiastically support a theocratic, totalitarian Palestinian state whether it's the Fascists of Hamas or the PLO running the show.

Which gives the lie to your "humanist" approach to the conflict.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
28. Actually, Shira, if there was ever a lie more blatantly pernicious I'm not sure
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 08:32 PM
Apr 2013

you haven't written it yet, but I'm certain you won't disappoint DU in time.


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