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WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGESIsraeli soldiers target a Palestinian photographer who was taking pictures of them invading Aida Refugee Camp, shooting him in the face with a rubber-coated steel bullet.
At about 5:30 p.m. Monday, Israeli soldiers entered Aida Refugee Camp through a gate in the separation wall dividing Rachel’s Tomb from Bethlehem. There were no clashes at the time, and their presence in the camp was not provoked, but was itself a provocation.
Mohammad Al-Azza began photographing the advancing soldiers from the second-floor balcony of the Lajee Center, a children’s center near the camp entrance where he has long volunteered in the media unit. He was eager to use the center’s new camera, a Canon 600D with a 50-250mm zoom lens.
As he was photographing, one of the soldiers shouted at him in Arabic to “Go home!” Mohammad replied, “Why? I’m only taking pictures!” The soldiers continued shouting at him, “Go inside! Go inside!”
Mohammad replied, “No, I will not go! As you have a gun and shoot at children, I have a camera and I’m taking pictures—I do nothing to you!”
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http://972mag.com/photos-palestinian-photographer-shot-in-the-face-by-israeli-troops/68897/
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Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)No sarcasm tag necessary.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Seemingly this is the kind of incident that they would rather hide from DU and scream about the next diversion or indignation that Israel has to suffer through.
delrem
(9,688 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)It's a good thing that they're on the up and up.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)About 10 minutes after Mohammad had exited the balcony, a soldier with a tear gas gun shouted again at Mohammad to stop taking photos through the partially opened door. His final photo, above, shows a soldier aiming an M16 rifle outfitted for rubber bullets. As Mohammad turned to leave the doorway, this soldier fired a rubber-coated steel bullet which penetrated Mohammad’s cheek below the right eye and fractured his skull.
below is the last picture taken-a soldier aiming at Al-Azza
shira
(30,109 posts)Here's the CEO and Editor of 972 insisting just hours ago that the Palestinians should be throwing big ass stones at the Jooooz heads....
http://972mag.com/john-locke-on-nations-right-to-resist-occupation/68705/
Odd that a political "pro-peace" site like 972, supposedly committed to human rights and all that is good, actually encourages children enlisted by Hamas and the PLO as militants to throw rocks with the intent to kill at innocents.
That said, all their articles are suspect, like the OP (where they have 1 eyewitness account, that of the victim).
That's not to say the IDF is perfect, never screws up, and is angelic...
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)From your link:
By Noam Sheizaf
|Published April 6, 2013
John Locke on nations' right to resist occupation
The fallout from Amira Hass’ Haaretz article in which she stated that “throwing stones is the birthright and duty of anyone subject to foreign rule” continues. There are many responses in the Hebrew media and blogesphere, and some interesting debates, mostly on Facebook.
As some readers noted in the comments to my previous posts, there were several UN resolutions (not all of them having to do with Israel/Palestine) that affirmed this right, but there wasn’t much legal writing on the issue. However, John Locke, an English philosopher and one of the fathers of Liberal thinking, had very clear words to say (Second Treatise of Civil Government, Locke 1690, emphasis mine):
Over those then that joined with him in the war, and over those of the subdued country that opposed him not, and the posterity even of those that did, the conqueror, even in a just war, hath, by his conquest, no right of dominion: they are free from any subjection to him, and if their former government be dissolved, they are at liberty to begin and erect another to themselves.
shira
(30,109 posts)Even quoting John Locke is a joke since this is what John Locke also wrote:
That gives Israel every right destroy Hamas or the PLO when they attack Israelis.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)yourself.
shira
(30,109 posts)Whether they're thrown at the IDF, civilians, or ambulances makes no difference to Hass.
You can't spin that.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)show where Ms Hass said exactly what you accuse her of
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Well, to talk more about the situation is the journalist herself. Amira Hass joins us now, Haaretz correspondent for the occupied Palestinian territories, the only Jewish-Israeli journalist to have spent almost 20 years living in and reporting from Gaza and the West Bank.
http://www.democracynow.org/2013/4/10/israeli_journalist_amira_hass_sparks_furor
shira
(30,109 posts)...just weeks ago:
AMIRA HASS: Yeah.
NERMEEN SHAIKH: —respond to this?
AMIRA HASS: No, I don’t want to respond.
AMY GOODMAN: What happened? What happened to her daughter?
AMIRA HASS: She drove—she visited friends or family in one of the settlements in the West Bank, and while they were driving back home, some kids from a village are said to have thrown stones, and one hit—one hit her. She made a turn, and she bumped into a truck, and they were wounded, yes.
I don’t think I have to respond to this. It’s her pain, and I don’t—like, people could come and bring the stories of hundreds of Palestinian children who are killed and wounded by Israeli [inaudible], by Israeli bullets and by Israeli tear gas and, I don’t know, whatever. I’m against asymmetry. And I think that I explain very well in my article the differences and the distinction that one has to take.
But the fact is that Israelis—I mean, that we maintain our hegemony with the use of almost unlimited power—I mean, with unlimited institutional power against the Palestinians. And Palestinians have tried many ways—diplomatic ways and other ways—to resist this Israeli domination, and it has not succeeded. Stone throwing is a sort of a message, and the Israelis don’t listen to it. Twenty-five years ago, with the First Intifada, Israelis did listen to this message. I mean, they did understand that this is a message of—it’s not in order to kill, it’s not in order to hit somebody, but it’s in order to tell: "You are unwelcome visitors in our midst."
She refuses to condemn the stone throwing incident that led to a baby now fighting for her life.
All she had to say was that stoning was criminal, shouldn't have happened, and it's not the kind of resistance she supports.
She didn't.
Her response was heartless.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)She explained why, I think she was being honest..not heartless.
shira
(30,109 posts)She showed zero sympathy.
It's obvious she agrees with that kind of resistance.
Now if you wish to respect her due to her honesty, that's one thing. She's honest about being in support of such terror attacks vs. innocents.
IOW, a supporter of war crimes.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)She knows all too well about terror, shira.
Read the polices of the Israeli government sometime.
shira
(30,109 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)(shakes head, hard)
OKOK I get it. Palestinians are terrorist (insert shiraism here) who abuse their own children (not a "blood libel", because shira doesn't go in for that kind of awfulness). And oh yes, do this and that and the other gawdawful damnable things to their children, (because that's the kind of people Palis/Arabs are). Also, wtf, what happened to that guy who got shot in the face? I mean terrorist who got shot in the face.... I mean child abusing animal of a terrorist who got accidentally shot in the face... I mean child abusing animal of a terrorist who cooked up a Paliwood production alleging that he got shot in the face...
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)because I used the 'P' word as above, sarcastically - but like above without an emoticon explaining it.
In a way I was amused by the alerter, considering that it's doubtful that the alerter was someone using this group to defend the human rights of Palestinians in I/P. But I wonder if they're just as bothered by and alert on posts that use the 'P' word as in 'p___wood' to dismiss photos and videos that show Palestinians in anguish? Do they care that Palestinians in Gaza, especially, are over and over and over again said to use their own children as human shields, etc., in an ongoing libel meant to explain Palestinian deaths and that's one among many similar libels that seem to be something of an unremarkable norm? Yet the person cares so much about this 'P' word when it was used so obviously in a sarcastic mood...
This post, just by mentioning the ongoing libel, will no doubt elicit more of the same. I don't think it's right to respond to such libelous posts, and to the posters who use every opportunity to continue those antics. It just gives such a poster the opportunity to reiterate the original libel over and over, to embellish and add to it, and play a sick game. IMO sub-threads trying to go down that route deserve a quick death.
On my own account, regards my use of the 'P' word sarcastically, one of the comments voting "hide it" was:
"i wasnt going to hide it until i read the alert. ya, splitting hairs and i get why it is important. i wish we would be more aware and sensitive with other issues, too."
I agree with this person. I'm going to watch my language more carefully in future.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)As some readers noted in the comments to my previous posts, there were several UN resolutions (not all of them having to do with Israel/Palestine) that affirmed this right, but there wasn’t much legal writing on the issue. However, John Locke, an English philosopher and one of the fathers of Liberal thinking, had very clear words to say (Second Treatise of Civil Government, Locke 1690, emphasis mine):
shira
(30,109 posts)Which means Locke is saying Israel has every right to destroy Hamas and the PLO when it threatens Israel with destruction.
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Also, IHL is quite clear that the deliberate targeting of civilians and ambulances (with big ass stones or other weapons) is a war crime.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)not mention dismissed civilian causalities (Palestinian only) as something to be expected mere collateral alternated with it's all Hamas fault anyway?
shira
(30,109 posts)Are you equating stone throwing with the intent to injure, maim, or kill civilians with the IDF's response against Hamas?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)then whine about the answers you get first you must prove intent not result unless of course you wish to say that IDF's oops really aren't so oops
shira
(30,109 posts)Just as much as the stone throwing Palestinians?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)You have some gall to complain that one can't use a whole quote, but has to use everything else from a source especially when you cut one sentence out of an article, one that you disagree with, in order to sell your hatred.
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