Bigotry, ‘The New York Times’ and Israel

[shira]

The New York Times’ coverage of Israel is increasingly a landscape of half-truths and worse, shaped not by where facts lead but by preconceived storylines.

Palestinian actions are cast as reactive to Israel’s, without autonomous motive and essentially without fault, while Israel is the main actor, the party that causes events, the one held accountable and very often the one indicted.

A comparison of two incidents reported by the Times underscores the pattern and the radically different treatment meted out to the sides in much of the coverage.

Both stories involve serious questions about the nature of the cultures of the two societies – Israeli and Palestinian.

Both relate to the important and deep issue regarding how hate engenders violence and drives the sides apart and how members of the society respond to bigotry among their own people.

The Times’ presentation of the two reveals layers of bias and underscores the degree to which readers are deceived.....

....much more:
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Bigotry-The-New-York-Times-and-Israel-309126

[Alamuti Lotus]

1. You're kidding, right?

Do you seriously mean to suggest that the most heavily Zionist-friendly paper in the country (traditionally and presently) is bigoted against Israel?

It is more than a little amusing to watch the evolution of wrath from certain sources. Further, it begs a question. Who is on the receiving end of more venom from this sort of extremist: enemies who oppose their activities, or friends who don't support strongly enough? At some point, do you ever notice that the latter is nagged into becoming the former?

[shira]

2. You find all things are Zionist friendly when they don't adhere 100% to....

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...the Palestinian narrative.

Did you even read the entire article?

Because if so, how do you account for the NYT essentially censoring Palestinian hatred while being outspoken (page 1 articles) when it comes to hatred within Israel?

[azurnoir]

6. The author of this opus is the President of CAMERA

the sibling publication of MEMRI and PMW

The author is executive director and President of CAMERA, the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America.

[Jefferson23]

7. lol, I am in shock. n/t

[shira]

13. Your response is an ad hominem logical fallacy....

...and not in any way a refutation of anything written in the article.

But that's about all you have, isn't it?

[Dick Dastardly]

25. I did not know CAMERA, MEMRI and PMW were sibling publications.

Can you please show me where they are part of each other because I could not find that anywhere?

[azurnoir]

26. of course they are MEMRI ('ex' shabak and mossad) supplies

the translations that both use and all 3 publish the same things so philosophically they are siblings

[bemildred]

23. Yeah, that was my first thought too. nt

[delrem]

28. +1

[cali]

30. the NYT is hardly the most "Zionist friendly paper in the country"

yes, the article that Shira posted is ridiculous bullshit, but the NYT publishes varying opinions on their op-ed pages. Their stories about Israel are not terribly unbalanced and they've published, over the last few years, many very critical pieces about the Occupation.

Their coverage is much more balanced than it was a decade or so ago. I suppose that's what Shira is pining for.

[azurnoir]

3. guess some folks must really really miss Ethan Bronner

nothing like having a guy who's son served/s in IDF to get the results they want

[shira]

4. Same question to you as above...

If you read the article....

How do you account for the silence of the NYT when it censors Palestinian hatred while at the same time being extremely vocal WRT any hate or bigotry from Israelis?

[azurnoir]

5. it censors Palestinian hate? do tell

you mean that NYT doesn't obediently publish things coming from PMW?

[shira]

10. Look at the examples in the article WRT the way the NYT....

...reports on hate/bigotry within Israeli society vs. within Palestinian.

How do you explain that?

[azurnoir]

14. yep I read it seems CAMERA is po'd because NYT didn't publish front page some screed

about this women

In the first case, a page 15 story on March 23 – actually an obituary – recorded the death of Mariam Farhat. Also known as “Mother of Martyrs,” Farhat’s claim to fame was her proclaimed wish that her sons “martyr” themselves killing Jews, women and children included, until all the land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean is Islamic. Any surviving Jews would be allowed to stay and live under Muslim domination.

yes gone are the days when things what like NYT did in Israel's 2006 conflict with Lebanon , where each Israeli Jewish victims were front page news along with his or her biography and on around page 23 it would be mentioned that oh ya 1000 Lebanese have died

yep you must really miss Bronner

[shira]

15. Not much of a response. n/t

[azurnoir]

16. actually it's very complete response tells what is happening compared to

what NYT has done in the past

[shira]

20. Nah, if that mother of terrorists had died in Israel....

...and if Israel had glorified her, the NYT would have had that front page and you know it.

After all, they put the soccer bigots on page 1. Imagine if the mother of terrorists were Israeli. Israel loses its soul when its soccer hoodlums are exposed, but Palestine and this mom? Not so much. Not even the mother involved in the Palestine state bid at the UN (a hero to all in Palestine, whose sons were all terrorists).

You have no legit response.

[azurnoir]

27. well

[Jefferson23]

8. This is rich: underscores the degree to which readers are deceived.....

CAMERA is great at deception. This thread is hilarious, the NYT's bigotry toward Israel
is about as accurate as saying GW Bush was an influential president for the greater good.

[shira]

9. CAMERA makes a persuasive argument WRT the way the NYT....

....reports on hate within Israeli society vs. within Palestinian.

You have no answer for it, other than ad hominems.

[Jefferson23]

11. CAMERA is singing to the choir, shira...namely, you. n/t

[shira]

12. Then explain how CAMERA is wrong about the way the NYT...

...reports on hate in Israel vs. the Palestinian territories......rather than continue with lame ad hominem attacks.

If you can.

I'll wait.

[azurnoir]

17. I did upthread you didn't like what I said though :)

[shira]

18. Because it was a misdirection and not a specific argument against. n/t

[azurnoir]

19. Truth is not misdirection n/t

[Jefferson23]

21. They're quite wrong. To an American who is unaware of the conflict the NYT's would possibly

appear to be doing their job. It's what's missing, under reporting, very often. The Times and why
it has a poor reputation for reporting on the ME is no secret to a discerning reader.


Over all the Times is not about keeping an official record ofall the illegal settlement activity that has gone on.
I do not recall ever reading the Times taking on Israel for its policies regarding Gaza and the blockade, not with any accuracy.


The human rights violations are not explored in depth. Bronner was not going to sign off on any such report..and
then there is Isabell Kershner.

She has written accounts that have not one interview with a Palestinian on the subject she is writing
about at any given time...she leaves out information.

CAMERA and other right winged groups consider the NYT's to have a liberal bias...that is simply false.
Also nothing new..that's why you're receiving much deserved laughter for posting it.


You're the queen of ad hominem btw...although poorly done.

* on edit for clarity

[shira]

22. You didn't touch the CAMERA article WRT the way the NYT reports hate/bigotry....

....in both Israel and the OPT.

You don't have anything, do you?

[Jefferson23]

24. I had hoped you would understand, I guess it went in one ear and out the other.

good luck , shira.

[bowens43]

29. nonsense.