IDF ‘shield’ against second Shoah
Army chief in Auschwitz: IDF ‘shield’ against second Shoah
‘The state of Israel is the security that an atrocity like this will not happen again,’ Benny Gantz writes in visitors’ book
The state of Israel will ensure the horrors of Auschwitz never happen again, IDF Chief of Staff Benny Gantz said Sunday while visiting the Nazi concentration camp on the eve of Holocaust Remembrance Day,
Gantz, whose mother is a Holocaust survivor, was accompanied by a delegation of Israel Defense Forces officers and bereaved families of soldiers, and wrote in the visitors’ book at the site where over 1 million Jews were murdered during World War II.
“On a clear, cold day, it is hard to understand or sense the gap between the silence all around and the horror that took place here, among the camp barracks, and inside of them,” Gantz wrote in the visitors’ book at the concentration camp memorial site. “An incomprehensible horror. The state of Israel is the security that an atrocity like this will not happen again. The IDF is the shield for the national home — the safe haven for the Jewish people.”
http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-shield-against-second-shoah-army-chief-says-in-auschwitz/
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Almost worthy of Monty Python.
I had expected this to sink like a stone, there being little cohererent one can say about it.
Did you know the claim made in post #2 is true? Since the premise is clearly false, the implication is true, a false premsie implies anything you like.
On the one hand, if you consider an IDF with best quality WWII technology (no nukes) fighting Rommel in the desert there, you could have an interesting fight.
On the other hand, if you consider a similar IDF trying to fight it's way to, say, Warsaw, to rescue people from the Holocaust, you might make it to somewhere in Greece or Syria, maybe.
WWII was a war of attrition, the old fashioned kind. Israel is simply not big enough to fight that kind of war.
that it took umpteen posts to get an answer too, but on your premise-
I've thought about this, what if say a few million Jews had been allowed to emigrate to Palestine or Israel in the run-up to WW2, what would have happened? Would it have changed the focus of the North Afrika Corps? Would grouping a large number of Jews in one small place have better protected them? 
... I don't (and would never suggest) that the garden variety antisemitism (or, as some call it, "antiZionism"
that permeates a lot of the discussion about Israel is equivalent to the Holocaust and to suggest that I did is ingenuous (but, you already knew that, didn't you?).
What I did say, in a previous post, is that antisemitism is the seed that, under the right circumstances, can grow into more deadly forms of persecution -- the like of which has been happening to Jews over and over for thousands of years. If you tolerate the attitude that Jews (or Jewish Israelis), by their nature, are different or have different priorities than those around them and are "land thieves", "war-like" or "intractable" then you create an environment where that seed can take root.
This isn't just true for tolerated antisemitism, it's true for any kind of endemic racism -- including supporting the idea that Palestinians or Muslims are intrinsically one way or another. As for my perspective, well, I know my own history and I can state -- without fear of being contradicted by anyone who knows history -- that for the past couple of millennium, being a Jew has been a pretty hard thing to be. So, you'll forgive me if my perspective forces me to be blunt.
