160,000 Palestinian refugees below poverty line in Lebanon

[Mosby]

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BEIRUT (Ma'an) -- Around 160,000 Palestinians are living below the poverty line in refugee camps in Lebanon, the ambassador to Beirut says.

Nearly 13,000 Palestinian refugees are living in extreme poverty in Lebanon, Ashraf Dabour told Ma'an.

Palestinian refugees are banned from entering 75 professions in Lebanon. "Practicing any of these careers is considered a breach of Lebanese law," Dabour said.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=582832

Does anyone know what is considered the poverty line in Lebanon?

The Lebanese government and UNRWA should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this to develop. Why are refugees and descendents of refugees living in camps anyway? The refugees and descendents should be given full rights in their host countries, especially Lebanon.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

1. Poverty is a hard thing to pull ones self out of; especially when

as a people you are that have no permanent home.

On edit: Even when a people do have a home poverty still is a creeping enemy.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/one-in-every-four-israelis-lives-below-poverty-line-1.4932

[azurnoir]

2. sounds to me like they need their own state or something n/t

[Scootaloo]

3. Maybe even some sort of reparations, perhaps.

[azurnoir]

4. well let's not rush into things here

next thing ya know they'll be demanding all kinds of stuff like water rights right egress ya know really demanding stuff

[Scootaloo]

5. And then their kids will be dancing at the proms, too! MADNESS!

[shira]

13. Yeah, that's it. And if it takes another 65 years, that's fine....

You won't say a word in support of the Palestinians suffering there in Lebanon. Not even for the next 65 years, were you to live that long.

Nor a word of contempt either against the Lebanese government....

You care so much.

[shira]

6. Comments are entertaining here from the "pro-Palestinian" contingent....

Gee, with friends like these who care so much for their rights, who needs enemies?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

7. Well, with shrill RW Israeli apartheid cheerleaders

who needs enemas?

[shira]

8. Except it's not apartheid....

...for apartheid vs. Palestinians, try Lebanon. Not that you give a shit b/c it's no fun for you leveling that charge at the Lebanese. You have loads more fun baiting the majority ethnicity in Israel.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

10. No. you've failed again. Apartheid exists and Israel is the culprit.

I do applaud you for trying to move the goal posts though.

[shira]

12. You just enjoy accusing the Jewish state of all kinds of nefarious....

....motives and deeds.

Is it because you care so much about Palestinians? That can't possibly be it, because FAR worse is happening in Lebanon. So what is it?

Just admit you get a thrill up your leg bashing the Jewish state for some reason. More than you do vs. any other country.

Be honest.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

14. Perhaps if the Palestinians had a homeland then all those wandering

could come home.

Kind of like what happened after the founding of Israel.


Now, that's honesty.

[shira]

15. What makes you think their own homeland is the cure?

There are still refugees in camps within Hamas and PLO controlled territory (Palestine).

Not that you care.

Which is odd for a "humanist" like yourself, wouldn't you say?

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What's honest is that Lebanon can do whatever they like to Palestinian refugees and you'll do nothing but keep blaming Israel.

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Just like when Hamas and the PLO abuse Palestinians. Hard to blame Israel for that, but you're silent there too.

You're fooling no one with your sanctimonious hypocritical bullshit.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

17. "What makes you think their own homeland is the cure?"

What makes you think denying them their own homeland is the cure?

[shira]

18. They're not denying anything. They've made 2 offers since 2001.

Seems the Palestinians are more interested in something else than their own homeland.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

21. Does anybody believe you?

Israel has offered the Palestinians dirt, and you know it.

[shira]

22. Israel agreed to the Clinton Parameters (2001) & then Olmert offered....

...even more in 2008.

Seems the Palestinians prefer statelessness, apartheid, etc...

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

23. We've been down this dead-end road with you, Shira.

Have a nice night.

[shira]

24. No, you've been corrected many times but u insist on spewing filth....

Do you even know what the 2001 and 2008 offers to the Palestinians involved?

Read these:
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/haaretz-exclusive-olmert-s-plan-for-peace-with-the-palestinians-1.1970

http://www.haaretz.com/news/olmert-abbas-never-responded-to-my-peace-offer-1.263328

I realize these articles are narrative killers for you. You'll deny them as much as you can in order to continue sliming Israel with your lies. That's just too much fun for you. All Israel haters get their rocks off bashing the Jewish state, as if it's done for sport.

Keep revealing those true colors of yours.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

32. Have a nice day.

[azurnoir]

39. well your links certainly are a narrative killer for someone but maybe not who you think

first let's start with your links

from your first one

Shaul Arieli of the Council for Peace and Security, which developed a map with a final border as part of the Geneva Initiative, said Israel's capacity to swap territory with a future Palestinian state is more limited than what Olmert reportedly proposed.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/haaretz-exclusive-olmert-s-plan-for-peace-with-the-palestinians-1.1970

then the second one

"I found Abbas to be a fair partner, opposed to terror," said Olmert. "What happened? That is the question of all questions, which I would answer if I could. I hope that the State of Israel will put at the top of its agenda the fact that there was a peace proposal offered by a legitimate government

http://www.haaretz.com/news/olmert-abbas-never-responded-to-my-peace-offer-1.263328

and now for some added detail

Netanyahu: I won't carry out an Olmert-Abbas peace deal if elected

Opposition leader favored by polls to sweep elections if held today rejects proposal to divide Jerusalem, says would toss out agreement between current PM, Palestinians

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3533242,00.html

Nabil Abu Rdainah, Abbas's spokesman, told the official Palestinian news agency WAFA that Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's plan showed a "lack of seriousness."

Under the proposal, Israel would return to the Palestinians 93 percent of the West Bank, plus all of the Gaza Strip, when the Palestinian Authority regains control over the Gaza Strip, which the militant group Hamas seized from forces loyal to Abbas in June 2006.

Olmert presented Abbas with the proposal as part of an agreement in principle on borders, refugees and security arrangements between Israel and a future Palestinian state

http://www.haaretz.com/news/pa-rejects-olmert-s-offer-to-withdraw-from-93-of-west-bank-1.251578

and Livni who's in charge of this issue now

Livni tells France's Kouchner: I oppose Olmert's peace plan

Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni told her French counterpart Bernard Kouchner that she opposes the agreement in principle that outgoing prime minister Ehud Olmert has offered Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.

"I do not believe in far-reaching proposals and an attempt to expedite matters, especially in light of the political situation," Livni, the prime minister-designate, told Kouchner on Sunday.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/livni-tells-france-s-kouchner-i-oppose-olmert-s-peace-plan-1.285402

[shira]

41. Oh? So you know Abbas would accept the Olmert offer now? Really?

And if not, what's missing?

What does Abbas say needs to be offered so that the deal gets done?

[azurnoir]

42. that's an unknown isn't do you think Netanyahu will make the same offer?

or is he too busy building ?

[shira]

43. Netanyahu could make the same offer and then some....

...and not a fucking thing would change if Abbas simply says 'No'.

Your lot would still bash Israel.

[azurnoir]

44. well of course Netanyahu could make the same offer he's the PM

geez

but what I asked is would he make the same offer in your opinion?

[shira]

45. Who gives a shit if he would? You sure don't.

You'd still claim it's a crappy, bullshit offer and continue to bash Israel for everything.

After all, bashing Israel is your favorite hobby.

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But let's play pretend. Assume he does offer. What does that change in your opinion?

[azurnoir]

46. I asked the question

and yes I do GaS or I would not ask

[shira]

47. The question is irrelevant if u think the offer is shit....

....or that nothing changes WRT bashing and blaming Israel for the lack of peace.

Are you asking b/c it's a legit offer?

[azurnoir]

48. I asked you several posts back whether or not in your opinion

would Netanyahu make the same offer as Olmert did in 2008 today, simple question which you seem to be avoiding answering

[shira]

60. I'll answer you. But will you answer me? n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

52. "Bash Israel for everything."

do you ever get tired of ignoring the facts that are presented to you just to change course.

I frankly would be embarrassed to be you right now.

[shira]

61. Yeah, you get your rocks off doing it just about every single post. n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

63. Sure, whatever you say.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

51. Bookmarked. Thanks.

[Shaktimaan]

38. Interesting...

So only Israel is guilty of apartheid even though policy in states like Lebanon far more closely resemble real SA style apartheid. Why is that?

Perhaps if the Palestinians had a homeland then all those wandering could come home.
Kind of like what happened after the founding of Israel.

Except in Israel when a palestinian is born there they become a citizen with rights, unlike Lebanon. These aren't the same refugees for the most part. They never lived in Palestine. I think that a RoR for Palestinians would be fine, but the lack of a state at this point can't be laid entirely at Israel's feet. Not by a long shot.

Worse, trying to blame the oppression that Palestinians in Lebanon face on Israel's inability to reach a permanent peace accord with Palestine is shifting the blame par excellence. You could just as easily blame the Palestinians themselves, or the UNRWA that wants to keep them in camps or hey, here's a thought... the people who are actually oppressing them?!!!

But it isn't Israel so you might have a problem with that.

[shira]

62. Don't expect an answer. They're too embarassed to answer. n/t

[King_David]

66. Apartheid is that dude's favorite word.

It is used a lot because comparisons to Nazis are against the rules.

The rules do not stop everyone though

[Mosby]

11. sad, isn't it.

Seems like a lot of Pro-Palestinian posters here don't really care at all about the plight of Palestinians living in ME countries other than Israel. We have kids not getting enough food to eat and they make jokes, how fucked up is that?

[shira]

16. That's hard rightwing advocacy for you. And they're proud of it. n/t

[King_David]

67. Your surprised ? nt

[bemildred]

9. If only they could go back where they belong. nt

[shira]

19. You think the refugees in Lebanon wish Arafat or Abbas accepted....

....Israel's offers in 2001 and 2008?

[bemildred]

20. How the hell would I know? nt

[King_David]

25. They "belong" in the country they were born and brought up in

And should be allowed equal rights and citizenship and ability to integrate and assimilate withe the rest of their countryman in the country they were born and brought up in.

[bemildred]

26. So everybody can go back where they were born? Is that it? nt

[King_David]

27. No but every other group of refugees gets integrated into the society

Except for 1 group .

And that is "it"...

[bemildred]

28. Ah, I knew somehow that there were some special cases. nt

[azurnoir]

40. oh you mean just like Israel is intergrating Sudanese refugee's ? n/t

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[King_David]

49. When they are accepted as refugees and especially born in a country

And lived there all their life.... Yes!

So what was your point again?

[azurnoir]

50. oh so Israel doesn't 'accept' that they're refugees

well that makes it all better

[King_David]

53. Every country has a process,

You do not know this?

[azurnoir]

54. of course but apparently Israel is circumventing their own process

Whether it is the former or the latter, there is only one way to find out: processing those that are in Israel.

The Israeli government has refused to do so, fearing that the majority of those from Sudan and Eritrea, who make up the majority of the asylum-seeking Africans in Israel, are, according to international law, legitimate refugees. If they are confirmed as such, Israel would be required to provide them with temporary housing (a refugee camp being an acceptable standard), freedom of movement, and the ability to work. Ironically, the guidelines are in place thanks to Israel of the 1950s.

By not processing them, the Israeli government of 2012 – and thus the Israeli people – get to absolve themselves of any responsibility. The result is that these people live in a state of limbo, exploited by a right-of-center bloc seeking reelection based on, among others, instilling fear in the minds of the general public.

http://972mag.com/african-refugees-must-be-processed-by-israel-not-criminalized/58648/

[King_David]

55. 972 Mag ?

Got a credible source?

[azurnoir]

56. so your saying Roee Ruttenberg is lying

well I know it's not from a fair and balanced source like ZOA or something

[King_David]

57. What you think of Lebanon forcing Human Beings that are 3rd generation 'Lebanese' born and bred,

to remain refugees till eternity and deny them rights of citizenship?

[azurnoir]

58. RGPC

rapid goalpost change , oh I think Palestinians need their own country

[King_David]

59. Interesting chat, thanks nt

[King_David]

29. Do you expect the grand children

And great grand children to be sent back to Vietnam ?

That would be cruel.

[bemildred]

30. This logic stuff is not your strong point, is it? nt

[King_David]

31. Actually was thinking same about yours,

Guess you couldn't answer , so an insult was easier ? Try cofee , it helps when I wake up grumpy.

[bemildred]

33. No sense of irony either, I take it? nt

[King_David]

34. Have a nice day

Bye .

[bemildred]

35. Clearly not. nt

[Shaktimaan]

37. they aren't going back to anywhere.

That's where they were born and live.
Israel gives people like that born in Israel citizenship and rights.

[Shaktimaan]

36. as opposed to...

where they were born and lived their entire lives.

[King_David]

64. No answer huh ?

[shira]

65. No answer when their canned, parroted responses...

....are exposed for the schlock they are.

[King_David]

68. Kick

[shira]

69. The Humiliation of Palestinian Refugees - part 1 Iraq

[shira]

70. The Humiliation of Palestinian Refugees - part 2 Jordan

[shira]

71. The Humiliation of Palestinian Refugees part 3 Lebanon and Syria