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wtmusic

(39,166 posts)
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 03:51 PM Apr 2013

The European emissions trading system died at the hands of big business last week.


President Obama, take note: if governments won't step up to the plate, a life-sustaining climate is unsalvageable.

This faith in the markets is misplaced: only governments can save our living planet


"In other ages, states sought to seize as much power as they could. Today, the self-hating state renounces its powers. Governments anathematise governance. They declare their role redundant and illegitimate. They launch furious assaults on their own branches, seeking wherever possible to lop them off.

This self-mutilation is a response to the fact that power has shifted. States now operate at the behest of others. Deregulation, privatisation, the shrinking of the scope, scale and spending of the state: these are now seen as the only legitimate policies. The corporations and billionaires to whom governments defer will have it no other way.

Just as taxation tends to redistribute wealth, regulation tends to redistribute power. A democratic state controls and contains powerful interests on behalf of the powerless. This is why billionaires and corporations hate regulation, and – through their newspapers, thinktanks and astroturf campaigns – mobilise people against it. State power is tyranny, state power is freedom."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/22/faith-markets-misplaced-governments-save-planet
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The European emissions trading system died at the hands of big business last week. (Original Post) wtmusic Apr 2013 OP
the market worked as intended quadrature Apr 2013 #1
As intended by whom? wtmusic Apr 2013 #2
the market matches buyers with sellers quadrature Apr 2013 #3
In a free market, that's true. wtmusic Apr 2013 #4
'market' does not require 'free' quadrature Apr 2013 #5
That market has collapsed - it's no longer performing any function wtmusic Apr 2013 #6
Ask not for whom ... Nihil Apr 2013 #7

wtmusic

(39,166 posts)
2. As intended by whom?
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 10:50 PM
Apr 2013

"This is an example of what happens in a market-based system: any clash between generating profit and protecting the natural world is resolved in favour of business, often with the help of junk science."

If the intent was to protect the environment it was an abject failure.

wtmusic

(39,166 posts)
4. In a free market, that's true.
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 11:57 PM
Apr 2013

The unregulated exchange where everyone has a fair shot, where buyers/sellers play by the rules, there's no predatory pricing and no monopolizing of resources.

Just one problem - it doesn't exist.

"If a market is to serve a wider social goal than simply maximising corporate profits it must operate within a tight regulatory framework. Pricing mechanisms do not magic away the need for regulation – if anything, they enhance it. To make them work, politicians still have to confront and overcome powerful interests. They still need to govern and decide. Yet everywhere markets are invoked as an alternative to dirigiste and decisive government."

 

quadrature

(2,049 posts)
5. 'market' does not require 'free'
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 12:06 AM
Apr 2013

trading in gov't issued pollution allowances,
has nothing to do with 'free'.

that market still performs the useful
function of matching buyers with sellers

wtmusic

(39,166 posts)
6. That market has collapsed - it's no longer performing any function
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 01:12 AM
Apr 2013

and I'm completely missing your point.

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