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kristopher

(29,798 posts)
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 01:09 PM Apr 2013

Report: Solar Scores Big Gains in Electricity Generation

Report: Solar Scores Big Gains in Electricity Generation
For the first time, solar accounted for all the new electricity generation capacity added to the U.S. grid in March.


By MEG HANDLEY
April 12, 2013

Despite the buzz surrounding natural gas and its increased role in electricity generation, solar seems to be increasingly stealing the spotlight from the newly famous fossil fuel.

Thanks to new projects across the country, solar energy accounted for all new utility electricity generation capacity added to the grid for the first time in March, according to the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission's (FERC) Energy Infrastructure Update. All other energy sources combined added no new generation capacity, the report noted.

Since 2008, the amount of solar energy powering U.S. homes, businesses and military bases has grown by more than 600 percent according to the Solar Energy Industries Association. In 2012 alone, the United States brought more new solar capacity online than in the three prior years combined, underscoring projections that solar will be the nation's largest new source of energy over the next four years.

Momentum behind the development of more renewable energy is mounting, too. According to a recent poll conducted by Gallup, three-quarters of Americans support increased solar energy use and 71 percent favor pursuing more wind energy.

"These new numbers from FERC support our forecast that solar will continue a pattern of growth in 2013...

more at http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/04/12/report-solar-scores-big-gains-in-electricity-generation
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Report: Solar Scores Big Gains in Electricity Generation (Original Post) kristopher Apr 2013 OP
Every bit of good news welcome! silverweb Apr 2013 #1
I'd love to see my engineering friends eat their words. Gregorian Apr 2013 #2
A Tesla pollutes significantly less adieu Apr 2013 #3
IIRC the average grid energy mix + electric drive is = about 50mpg avg auto. kristopher Apr 2013 #4
I know all of that. But an ICE car doesn't use nuclear and coal. Gregorian Apr 2013 #5
The oil in the oil pan does leak adieu Apr 2013 #6

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
2. I'd love to see my engineering friends eat their words.
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 01:38 PM
Apr 2013

Not only that, but I know someone who just bought a Tesla, and he thinks he is not polluting the world when he drives. I can't wait for renewable to be 100% of our generation.

 

adieu

(1,009 posts)
3. A Tesla pollutes significantly less
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 03:46 PM
Apr 2013

than an internal combustion engine. ICEs get about 17% efficiency. Even if all the energy in the Tesla's batteries were charged from a coal or oil fired power plant, the efficiency of such a plant, including the loss over the cables, is around 28%.

Also, Tesla's don't need oil changes in the same way ICEs need oil changes, so there's less pollution from that.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
4. IIRC the average grid energy mix + electric drive is = about 50mpg avg auto.
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 04:39 PM
Apr 2013

It has been a while since I read the study, but I think that's close.

Gregorian

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5. I know all of that. But an ICE car doesn't use nuclear and coal.
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 06:21 PM
Apr 2013

I knew my comment was weak. I'm also an engineer. The weakest part of the argument is that with time we will be phasing out ICE's.

Oil changes are not a source of pollution above the background noise. I don't know where you pulled that one from.

The neat thing about electric cars right now is that they cost about $1 to drive 100 miles, according to my calculations, and comparing it to my friend's experience. Not too shabby.

 

adieu

(1,009 posts)
6. The oil in the oil pan does leak
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 07:30 PM
Apr 2013

somewhat. It's not so much the oil change per se, although there are some yokels who take the old oil and just drain it away in their toilet or wherever. Completely illegal and polluting.

Even if ICE cars don't use nuclear and coal, that's not a very good way to computing the net effect of energy usage.

Nuclear and coal generate electricity, combined with hydro, wind, solar, oil, natural gas and whatever other methods. We're not building any new nuclear as far as I know. Nor are we building any new coal plants. We are building many new solar and wind plants. Since both nuclear and coal plants work optimally when fully utilized, they're already on full use regardless of whether we use the electricity for charging our cars or charging our laptops.

Thus, increasing use of electric vehicles will mainly be met by increasing our solar/wind power supplies (yay!) instead of new nuclear or coal plants. At the same time, we're building more solar/wind plants so that when it is time to decommission a nuclear or coal plant, their absence in the grid will be subsumed by existing new technologies, including more solar and wind plants.

In other words, it's not as though there is a nuclear or coal plant dedicated to charging just electric vehicles. It isn't such the case.

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