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Things that do cause rape... (Original Post) Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 OP
I see what you did there. nt rrneck Apr 2013 #1
Reservation for one; Table 2, please. Old and In the Way Apr 2013 #2
Wait until you hear the sound Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #5
FYI, you were alerted on naaman fletcher Apr 2013 #7
"Shameful" Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #8
Note to juror #3, in answer to your question: Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #10
A 6-zip smackdown ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2013 #12
How does it work if you alert and lose? nt naaman fletcher Apr 2013 #13
I believe if you lose 6-0 on your alert, you are not allowed to alert for 24 hours. (n/m) ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2013 #14
thanks nt naaman fletcher Apr 2013 #15
It should be *48* hours. pacalo Apr 2013 #19
I agree. DU could survive easy if 6-0 alerters were taken out of the game for 2 days. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #20
My own personal belief is that rapists are probably motivated more than anything else pacalo Apr 2013 #21
No. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #29
I wasn't referring to broken hearts. pacalo Apr 2013 #30
I think some people are deeply damaged or otherwise, I suppose, fucked up is the proper word. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #31
Absolutely. There are bad seeds, too. pacalo Apr 2013 #32
I suppose some people become fucked up enough to be rapists due to childhood trauma. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #33
In any case, the rapist seems to have a lot of disrespect for women pacalo Apr 2013 #34
I agree that it seems to be motivated by rage, hate and disrespect. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #35
remember refrescanos Jul 2013 #37
You've got it all wrong ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2013 #23
Socks mean no waiting Major Nikon Apr 2013 #27
Binky? That sounds like some sort of hetero-phallic oppressive innuendo to me! Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2013 #28
"This has been a test of the Obligatory Alert system..." lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #16
Heh heh. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #18
Larry Flynt was shot about 30 minutes from where I currently live. RiffRandell Apr 2013 #3
I always thought it was about a photo spread he did with an interracial couple. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #4
That's right. RiffRandell Apr 2013 #6
NOTE TO INTERESTED OBSERVERS: Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #9
Yes..but your thread graphic uses the dreaded word..PORN Upton Apr 2013 #11
That's a standard non-response when something hits an obvious nerve; Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #17
And that's a topic and a half. Hayabusa Apr 2013 #22
Thank God they got rid of meta, that's all I can say. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #24
Played Portal yesterday and recreated that. Hayabusa Apr 2013 #25
Those games are great, too. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #26
It was indeed strange to see that this raised hackles. Bonobo Apr 2013 #36
 

naaman fletcher

(7,362 posts)
7. FYI, you were alerted on
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:38 PM
Apr 2013

At Wed Apr 17, 2013, 08:21 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Wait until you hear the sound
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1114&pid=8007

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

Pure shit stirring. This post proves the only reason he posted this is to take yet another shot at the group he is so obsessed with.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/125520714

You'd think he'd lay off making a joke out of certain subjects at least huh? Well you'd be wrong. And this guy is a host of the men's group. Shameful.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Apr 17, 2013, 08:28 PM, and the Jury voted 0-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: OK, so why can one group post a picture of what does/doesn't cause rape but when another group does it it's making a joke. The picture is accurate btw. Also I don't understand why this comment was alerted on and not the OP. There's nothing wrong with the comment that has been alerted on. leave it.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: The group in question was never even mentioned in the post, you can interpret it how you want but I don't see how it breaks any rules.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No idea what OP is talking about. The post doesn't violate any standards.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: huh? this is a completely stupid and frivolous alert

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
10. Note to juror #3, in answer to your question:
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:42 AM
Apr 2013

I'm willing to bet the OP was alerted on, too, we just haven't seen the results yet.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
20. I agree. DU could survive easy if 6-0 alerters were taken out of the game for 2 days.
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 03:15 AM
Apr 2013

When you can't get even one of those 6 people to vote against a loathsome ****** such as myself, well, that's a weak alert, right there.


What gets me- what galls me- is the blatant disingeunuousness of the alerts, and the hyperbole around stuff like this thread.

It is spun as "mocking rape", when it is doing no such thing.

What it's mocking is the persistent attempts on the part of certain people to argue- in the face of zero evidence or even contradictory evidence- that things like porn, or dongle jokes, or draino commercials with sexy innuendo somehow have something to do with rape.

Continually making these arguments- essentially, trying to attach unrelated cultural complaints to the very real problem of rape- that trivializes the seriousness of rape IMHO.

Rapists cause rape, and that's where the blame for rape ought to lie. We should all be able to agree on that.

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
21. My own personal belief is that rapists are probably motivated more than anything else
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 03:42 AM
Apr 2013

by their histories of bad relationships with women.

Porn (that I've seen) doesn't promote abusiveness.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
29. No.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 10:57 AM
Apr 2013

A broken heart will not compel an otherwise adequately socialized person to rape.

A person capable of raping is likely incapable of sustaining a healthy relationship with women.

The bad relationships may be used as a rationalization but it isn't the cause.

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
30. I wasn't referring to broken hearts.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 11:54 AM
Apr 2013

I meant "bad relationships" in the sense of abusive relationships (with women who have been neglectful, extremely overbearing, emotional/physical harm, etc., toward the man), which seems to be in line with what you said here:

A person capable of raping is likely incapable of sustaining a healthy relationship with women.


Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
31. I think some people are deeply damaged or otherwise, I suppose, fucked up is the proper word.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 12:01 PM
Apr 2013

And people who commit violent crimes- rape, obviously, included- fall under that category IMHO.

There are probably a wide variety of opinions on what may or may not cause people to get or be that way... I think some people are just screwed up right out of the box. But at the end of the day, the responsibility for the actions need to lie with the individual.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
33. I suppose some people become fucked up enough to be rapists due to childhood trauma.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 12:08 PM
Apr 2013

But I don't think that bad adult relationships often cause an otherwise emotionally and morally healthy person to become a rapist.

I think it's a cause and effect thing. A person capable of raping will probably have a difficult time with relationships, but I strongly doubt that the failed relationship caused him to become a criminal.

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
34. In any case, the rapist seems to have a lot of disrespect for women
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 12:29 PM
Apr 2013

& when his inner rage compels him, he carries out his evil in a way that will cause the highest indignity to his victim. What is the cause of his inner rage, is the question that's difficult to understand.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
35. I agree that it seems to be motivated by rage, hate and disrespect.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 01:48 PM
Apr 2013

That seems to be the common thread.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
16. "This has been a test of the Obligatory Alert system..."
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 10:42 AM
Apr 2013

... in the event of a legitimate alert, you would have been directed to check your privilege, confess your sins and prostrate yourself before the altar of appropriate sensibilities."

RiffRandell

(5,909 posts)
3. Larry Flynt was shot about 30 minutes from where I currently live.
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 08:24 PM
Apr 2013

We weren't living here at the time. I guess one could possibly assume that someone's hatred of porn (which could have stemmed from religion being in the south or who the hell knows...there's all kinds of "explanations" as we all know) resorted to a violent act...actually attempted murder.

I read his autobiography...it was really good. He loved his wife Althea so much.

They never caught the shooter.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
4. I always thought it was about a photo spread he did with an interracial couple.
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 08:29 PM
Apr 2013

That pissed off some knuckle dragging racist.

I dont think everything the guy has ever said or published is wonderful, but I do tend to fall on the side of free speech.

And say what you will about the dude, he is a fighter. And yes, by all accounts he loved his wife very much. Im not usually much of a Courtney Love fan (she said something snarky about Jerry after he died, for which some of us still hold a grudge) but her portrayal of Althea was great in that film.

RiffRandell

(5,909 posts)
6. That's right.
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 08:44 PM
Apr 2013

I just googled what she said....she has pretty much slammed everyone though. Her own daughter wants nothing to do with her.

We saw the movie opening weekend. I thought she was mediocre, but Woody was awesome. Great movie.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
9. NOTE TO INTERESTED OBSERVERS:
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:38 AM
Apr 2013

This is not "mocking" the other thread or graphic, it is echoing it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125520714

FWIW, I agree 100% with the content of the other graphic.

If someone disagrees with the point made in this graphic, please, rather than complaining about the thread or hitting the alert button, let's hear why.

Upton

(9,709 posts)
11. Yes..but your thread graphic uses the dreaded word..PORN
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 06:51 AM
Apr 2013

Can't have that, and don't expect a discussion...it's so much easier to just hit the alert button on that evil Warren and the Mens Group..

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
17. That's a standard non-response when something hits an obvious nerve;
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 11:05 AM
Apr 2013

...especially when it points out a glaring philosophical inconsistency or giant silly flaw in their arguments.

Same thing happened when some here started mentioning the inconsistency in defending the "agency" of women to wear Hajibs from people who are totally allergic to the concept of, say, porn stars or hooters waitresses having their own "agency" to decide what to wear, or not.

The other standard non-responses are to immediately begin complaining about "attacks" or "mocking"... anything, really, except addressing the actual point in the actual message.

Hayabusa

(2,135 posts)
22. And that's a topic and a half.
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 08:15 AM
Apr 2013

And the half topic is the reaction to this topic. And now, I have just started a half topic about a half topic about this topic. My head hurts...

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
36. It was indeed strange to see that this raised hackles.
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 01:06 AM
Apr 2013

It is quite specific in condemning men who say that "she didn't say no" as an excuse for rape.

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