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Catherina

(35,568 posts)
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 11:53 AM Apr 2013

The front page of a rightwing paper in Venezuela inciting unrest (graphic intensive)

Last edited Tue Apr 16, 2013, 02:58 PM - Edit history (2)



then one example of one of the many, many, many coordinated and retweeted tweets




The use of these old recycled pictures of ballots being legally burned after the regional elections of 2008, is designed to make people believe that military officials are hiding and destroying ballot boxes of the elections held on Sunday 14 April.

On Monday, the people trying to exploit the anger of opposition supporters, released images dating back to the regional elections of 2008, to make people believe that military officials are hiding and destroying ballot boxes of the 2013 elections held on Sunday 14 April.

Messages circulating on smartphones and displayed on Facebook and Twitter, causing aerated comments call for violence, intended to pave the way for the coup plans that are forged within the right.

In the images seen military, firefighters and the CNE in a process of destruction of election materials, in 2009, in compliance with Article 169 of the Electoral Act, which says:

"The electoral material that is not subject to administrative appeal or judicial review is subject to destruction, after six months of the conclusion of the electoral process. The order of destruction of election materials may only be issued by the National Electoral Council. The procedure for the destruction of the material will be established by the National Electoral Council by regulation. "

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The images were taken from the website of the National Electoral Council, which records this operation in the presence of the press.



















http://soshumanidad.sharedby.co/share/9rHXeH






MY MY, WHERE HAVE WE SEEN THIS SCRIPT BEFORE? Chavez was too lenient with the coup plotters, so were the corrupt Venezuelan courts on their side. These irresponsible criminals and their collaborators need to be held responsible and imprisoned for their crimes to incite.

Edit, these irresponsible, false tweets were also sent to journalists, NGOs and politicians of the international community begging for foreign intervention to save democracy.

Here's one I just happened to save yesterday because I thought these assholes were so ridiculous.


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The front page of a rightwing paper in Venezuela inciting unrest (graphic intensive) (Original Post) Catherina Apr 2013 OP
Haven't they ever heard of recycling? Common Sense Party Apr 2013 #1
indeed, not very good stewards of the environment are they? Bacchus4.0 Apr 2013 #3
Here's the direct link Catherina Apr 2013 #2
Jail time for what? Common Sense Party Apr 2013 #5
it give you an idea of how "liberal" naaman fletcher Apr 2013 #7
Venezuela SamKnause Apr 2013 #4
Yep. I saw one of those photos last night. Conducted non-furtively, in broad daylight, Judi Lynn Apr 2013 #6
Wait - weren't the ballots from Bush v. Gore preserved? Flatulo Apr 2013 #12
I suggest you read the OP again because your assertion is false Catherina Apr 2013 #13
No, I understood that. I was responding to your Flatulo Apr 2013 #15
I'm not sure which comment you mean Catherina Apr 2013 #17
no, you don't understand reorg Apr 2013 #18
Is it such a surprise that the losers in a very close election will cry foul? Flatulo Apr 2013 #20
They are flooding the internet with this bullshit. ocpagu Apr 2013 #8
Begging for foreign intervention to "save" them? Really? That's an old, old trick, isn't it? Judi Lynn Apr 2013 #9
Marco Rubio wants to inform the Vene. oligarchs he's volunteering US power Judi Lynn Apr 2013 #10
Rubio is a jerk who does not speak for the US State Dept. Flatulo Apr 2013 #16
You've got THAT right! n/t Judi Lynn Apr 2013 #19
Looks like they are finding plenty of useful and/or willing idiots to believe it. pa28 Apr 2013 #11
there will be consequences reorg Apr 2013 #14
RCTV was in on it too. Tweeting false images. Gee, what a surprise Catherina Apr 2013 #21
Ha, ha. They got a lower-level employee to take the fall, too, of course! Judi Lynn Apr 2013 #22
Wow. A lowlevel employee put that on the front page Catherina Apr 2013 #23

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
2. Here's the direct link
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 12:16 PM
Apr 2013
https://twitter.com/mmatazur/status/323912744288002048

https://twitter.com/mmatazur

with many more. Such a desperate plea from these little innocent little lambs posting from outside Venezuela They need to do jail time but we all know they won't. And we all know why they won't.

Judi Lynn

(160,525 posts)
6. Yep. I saw one of those photos last night. Conducted non-furtively, in broad daylight,
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 12:32 PM
Apr 2013

it didn't make a lick of sense then, either.

Figures, doesn't it?

I recall as late as the Presidential election 2000, in the Gore Presidential election, it was common for used ballots to be destroyed, here, too, after the election. We all know no one destroys ballots DURING the election, of course!

How stupid. The right-wing always underestimates the audience it tries to deceive. It only reveals how unbelievably stupid THEY are, clearly. Idjits.

Thank you so much for your outstanding efforts to keep on top of this information, Catherina, it is more than impressive. It is so appreciated.

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
12. Wait - weren't the ballots from Bush v. Gore preserved?
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 02:47 PM
Apr 2013

As I recall, a consortium of news outlets came down to Florida to conduct their own recount. This was done a year or so after the election.

In any tight race, the burning of ballots right after the vote seems highly suspect to me.

We had at least three recounts in Florida. Every democrat in the country was shouting "Count every vote" from the rafters.

What's the objection to a recount when the margin of victory is razor thin?

I can guarantee that the pro- Maduro camp would be screaming for a recount if Caprilles had won by a single point.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
13. I suggest you read the OP again because your assertion is false
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 03:02 PM
Apr 2013

There was NO "burning of the ballots right after the vote".

Those are OLD images from an old election burned over 6 months later in 2009 after the conclusion of an old election in 2008.

It is now 2013.

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
15. No, I understood that. I was responding to your
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 03:20 PM
Apr 2013

comment that it is common to burn ballots after a vote. I was making the point that it would seem inappropriate to burn ballots after a particularly tight race.

If a recount were done, perhaps it would mollify the Caprilles camp and reduce the chance of violence. If the Venezuelan system is as good as everyone says, the numbers should come out exactly as the first count. So what's the harm, especially when half the country is so pissed?

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
17. I'm not sure which comment you mean
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 03:31 PM
Apr 2013

but in this case, I wanted to point out that they didn't burn any ballots so nothing inappropriate was done.

We've both been around the block, this isn't about a recount, this is about destabilizing the country. Capriles had decided days before the vote even took place that he wasn't going to accept the results.

No one is going to play along with his blackmail temper tantrum and it would be foolish of the Venezuelan government to do so. There's nothing to recount, nothing to mollify.

Capriles knows full well those results are the irreversible truth. So does his party. The CNE’s reputation is so solid that they themselves, the right wing opposition itself, commissioned the CNE to oversee its internal primary elections to select its 2012 presidential candidate.

reorg

(3,317 posts)
18. no, you don't understand
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 03:47 PM
Apr 2013

The fascists in Venezuela are playing right into this - without taking the formal steps to actually get a full 100% audit done they cry foul, make proclamations and put out false information in order to appeal to certain sectors in the US that might otherwise be not so inclined.

This is not about a "recount". 54 percent of the ballots, randomly selected, have already been "recounted", i.e. hand-counted after the electronic tabulation.

Nobody has burned any ballots. Nobody cares if you feel it would seem inappropriate to burn ballots because that hasn't happened.

There is no harm in counting the rest of the ballots manually - except, of course, it takes a lot of work and somebody needs to do it. First of all, however, the losers need to formally apply, which they haven't done yet and nobody was thus able to deny their wishes.

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
20. Is it such a surprise that the losers in a very close election will cry foul?
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 03:58 PM
Apr 2013

The winners are going to try to do everything they can to cement their win.

The losers are going to do everything they can to mine for more votes.

This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, and sinister motives aren't even needed. It is just human nature.

Personally, I could care less who wins. It really doesn't affect me. The Venezuelans are going to sell their oil, and we're going to buy it, no matter who is running the government there.

 

ocpagu

(1,954 posts)
8. They are flooding the internet with this bullshit.
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 12:34 PM
Apr 2013

So dishonest. I hope there is a serious effort by the government to show this is a fraud.

You're right about impunity generating this. Chávez made a mistake when he thought forgiving would help reconciliation. They will not learn until they are held responsible. Each one of them, including the thug from Fedecamaras hiding in Colombia.

Judi Lynn

(160,525 posts)
9. Begging for foreign intervention to "save" them? Really? That's an old, old trick, isn't it?
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 12:39 PM
Apr 2013

We've heard it a buttload of times in the last 15 years, haven't we?

Here, there, everywhere, countries with oil suddenly want the U.S. to bomb them to ####, then go in and get that oil, after the oligarchs make certain they are all out of the country, or elsewhere out of danger. "Let's bomb them until they're a sheet of glass, etc." Oh, yeah. Uh, huh.

You'd think someone would be embarrassed, but they just don't give a damn.

Judi Lynn

(160,525 posts)
10. Marco Rubio wants to inform the Vene. oligarchs he's volunteering US power
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 01:16 PM
Apr 2013

to protect them against those mean old poor people, bless Marco's little heart:


~snip~

The Venezuelan people should know that the democracies of the Western Hemisphere are watching the electoral review process closely and will seek to hold accountable any individual determined to have disrupted the peaceful conduct of free and fair elections. The United States stands ready to work with those Venezuelans who wish to put their country on the path to a more successful future.”

More:
http://shark-tank.net/2013/04/16/as-rubio-calls-for-recount-in-venezuela-chavistas-burn-ballots/

[center]~~~~~[/center]
It has been so helpful seeing all these photos you've shared. It's there for all the world to see. These soldiers are certainly NOT on an assignment to destroy evidence of a win by the oligarchs, and they are not burning ballots the same day as the election, before the ballots are even counted.

Weird, weird, weird.
 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
16. Rubio is a jerk who does not speak for the US State Dept.
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 03:24 PM
Apr 2013

I hope Ms. Clinton disavows his remarks.

This is absolutely nine of our business.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
11. Looks like they are finding plenty of useful and/or willing idiots to believe it.
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 01:29 PM
Apr 2013

Looks to me like the right wing media in Venezuela is deliberately lying in order to destabilize the democratic election process.

reorg

(3,317 posts)
14. there will be consequences
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 03:08 PM
Apr 2013

Inciting riots by spreading false information is clearly illegal. This "newspaper" needs to be held accountable, just as CNN for their pathetic little "report" with the fake image.

I expect to see trials exposing the ugly little fascists who are salivating to see murder and mayhem in the coming days. These propaganda outlets need to be fined or, hopefully, shut down ASAP.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
21. RCTV was in on it too. Tweeting false images. Gee, what a surprise
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 05:19 PM
Apr 2013

Photo tweeted by opposition TV channel RCTV, showing supposed incineration of Sunday’s election materials. Only it’s not from Sunday…

https://twitter.com/RCTVenlinea/status/323881102982934529


Hidey-ho, good readers! And welcome to another chapter of VenOpIronía, in which everything old is suddenly new again. And in which black is white, day is night, wrong is right, and truth is shite. And in which someone is committing a fraud in order to accuse somebody else of committing a fraud. Here’s the story:

From Web pages such as La Patilla, and from Twitter and Facebook accounts from such communication media as RCTV, members of the opposition are divulging photos of the destruction of electoral materials, dating to August 21, 2012, and September 19, 2010, but presented as if they had been taken today. This intensified after Wilmer Azuaje, ex-deputy from Barinas, tweeted some photos of supposed electoral materials found today along a public roadway in Barinas.

La Patilla published the photos, showing that the ballot papers, strangely, hadn’t been folded.

From that moment on, social network users of the opposition began spreading, via Facebook and Twitter, numerous photos of electoral materials being incinerated.

But information specialist Feijoo Jiménez and other Twitter users showed us that the images tweeted come from the CNE (National Electoral Council of Venezuela) web page and from media revealing that the dates of the burnings had been from 2010 and 2012. This is the CNE photo gallery in which the 2010 event appears.

The same event was published by such different media as the opposition newspaper El Universal, and the Chavista paper, CiudadCCS. The item from El Universal, dating to September 18, appears here.

We believe that the publication of false photos is being used by radical sectors of the opposition to whip up their supporters, convince them of a supposed fraud with the votes, and to follow the line dictated by the anti-Chavista candidate, Henrique Capriles Radonski, who is calling on his followers to gather on Tuesday and Wednesday at the CNE offices to demand a recount of the votes. In a press conference on Monday, Capriles assured that there had indeed been destruction of electoral materials. “We can’t lose the materials. Our desires is that tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, or today, this conflict will be resolved,” he said.


Translation mine. Links as in original. Don’t be too surprised if the ones from La Patilla, El Universal or Wilmer Azuaje’s tweeter go dead quickly; since the fraud has now been found out, it’s only a matter of time before the perpetrators try to cover their naked butts. Luckily, Aporrea included some screen-grabs of their handiwork:



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La Patilla photo of supposed electoral material by a roadside, showing ballots not folded as they would have been had they been cast as actual votes*. Folding ballots before casting them is common practice in Venezuela, as it is here in Canada. No word on what a box of unfolded ballots is doing by the roadside where it just happened to be stumbled on by a rabid anti-Chavista!

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And finally, there’s this:



A screenshot of the CNE official page, showing thumbnails of the shots of the soldier and the firefighter doing their jobs during a routine incineration at a previous event. Could the RCTV twitpic have come from a gallery like this? Wouldn’t surprise me if it had. RCTV is well known for falsifying things in order to paint a dire picture of Bolivarian Venezuela…


*PS: The individual who spread this photo has been identified and arrested. Story from Aporrea:

The person who passed off images of electoral material from the 2010 election as that of April 14 has been detained.

So says press chief Jorge Galindo, of the Ministry of the Interior and Justice, via his Twitter account, @JorgeGalindoMIJ:

“The individual who published an image of electoral materials from 2010 with the intent to destabilize has been detained.”

The detainee’s name is Andrés Rondón Sayago and he is an employee of security for a private TV station, adds Galindo. He appeared today in court, Galindo also announced.


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http://www.sabinabecker.com/2013/04/the-ironies-of-the-venezuelan-opposition-part-18.html

Judi Lynn

(160,525 posts)
22. Ha, ha. They got a lower-level employee to take the fall, too, of course!
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 05:31 PM
Apr 2013

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Caracas, abril 16 - El Jefe de prensa del Ministerio de interior y Justicia da a conocer las declaraciones del sujeto que publicó en redes sociales fotos de quema de boletas electorales haciendo creer que eran de las elecciones del pasado domingo.
El sujeto detenido responde al nombre de Rondón Sayago Andrés y es empleado de seguridad de una planta televisiva privada

Este sujeto confesó que la foto difundida por él en redes sociales sobre material electoral son del proceso 2007, dijo Jorge Galindo a través de Jorge Galindo ?@JorgeGalindoMIJ.
En breve mostrarán el video de la declaración.

En horas de esta mañana se anunció la detención del sujeto:
http://www.aporrea.org/actualidad/n226993.html

Thank you, once more!

These opposition creeps are humanity's armpits.
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