Capriles demanding CNE suspend proclamation that Maduro won. Threatening a cacerolazo at 8pm

[Catherina]

ranting and raving that Maduro will be illegitimate, calling for his fanatics to force a recount of 100% of the votes. Threatening a cacerolazo at 8pm tonight if the CNE goes ahead with the proclamation. Directing his supporters to head to the CNE to demand a recount.

South of the border Brooks Brothers protest.

What part of “These are the irreversible results that the Venezuelan people have decided with this electoral process” does Capriles not understand?

He called on the CNE to not "rush" the proclamation of Nicolas Maduro as president. Why rush the process if both parties agree to have the votes recounted" asked Capriles.

...

Capriles sent a message to Maduro, "if you are proclaimed today, you are an illegitimate president," he said.

He issued call to hold a cacerolazo (huge protest) at 8 pm if Nicolás Maduro is proclaimed president by the CNE.

Capriles called on citizens to defend a 100% recount of the vote, and go to the CNE offices this week to demand it.

....

Hizo un llamado al CNE para no “apurar” la proclamación de Nicolás Maduro como presidente. Por qué apurar el proceso si las dos partes están de acuerdo con contar los votos”, se preguntó Capriles Radonski.

...

Capriles Radonski envió un mensaje a Maduro, “si usted se proclama el día de hoy, usted es un presidente ilegítimo”, dijo.

Realizó un llamado a participar en un cacerolazo a la 8 de la noche si Nicolás Maduro es proclamado como presidente por el CNE.

Capriles Radonski llamó a los ciudadanos a defender que se realice el conteo de del 100% de los votos, y convocó a dirigirse esta semana a las oficinas del CNE para exigir que se haga el recuento.


http://www.elmundo.com.ve/Noticias/TuVoto/Capriles-Radonski---Nosotros-creemos-que-ganamos-l.aspx

Some background information the opposition would like people to forget: Venezuelan Government Releases Evidence that Opposition Planning to not Recognise Election Results


Edit, CNN has this up now: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/15/world/americas/venezuela-elections/index.html

[naaman fletcher]

1. It's a recount, not a coup

Why do you have an objection to a recount in a system the Jimmy Carter called the best in the world?

[Bacchus4.0]

2. An obsession, not just an objection

I mean why would Capriles sign BEFORE the election? This is exactly why he should not have.

Why are the chavistas afraid of a recount? Al Gore may well have won had he originally asked for a recount of ALL the Florida votes, and history would have changed for the better.

[sabrina 1]

43. Why? Because he was probably being advised by our very own right wing 'political strategists'. They

probably had the arrogance to think they would win. Remember when Karl Rove nearly cried on Fox when he found out they had failed to steal another election? Lol! I love it when Right Wingers like Caprilles show their true colors. I'm sure there are a few Venezuelans who got sucked in by his false claims of supporting some of Chavez' policies, pretending to be a moderate, are sorry they voted for him now.

[joshcryer]

3. You assume they care about democracy.

They don't. There's a reason they're destroying ballots. All they care about is what central command says. If they say they win, they win.

If you read the Carter Center's comments on the 2012 elections they were not very favorable. (In fact, they agree with, in principle, almost all of my objections in that election, including the media dominance by Chavez and the violence against the opposition.)

I look forward to their updated report as ballots are being burned and protesters are being attacked in Barinas.

[Bacchus4.0]

4. the cacerolazo I believe is when the people bang on pots and pans

making incredible noise. Pretty annoying I'm sure but not as annoying as getting shot by chavistas.

[joshcryer]

7. If they do a massive cacerolazo there will be violence, I'm afraid.

And then, of course, it will be blamed on foreign mercenaries, US imperialists, etc.

But the dead will be on the hands of Maduro accusing half of the country of sabotage.

I wish they didn't do it but it looks like it's the only way they're going to keep the ballots safe because the chavistas are systematically trying to destroy the evidence of fraud.

[Bacchus4.0]

12. I am afraid you are right. I hope not. on a lighter note

there appears to be a contender with Maduro here at DU in saying the stupidest things imaginable.

[ocpagu]

9. Yes, I'm sure they're desolate.

"¿Cuanto tiempo más sin botox subvencionado, por Diós?"

[joshcryer]

16. Perhaps.

"La vanidad es tan fantástica, que hasta nos induce a preocuparnos de lo que pensarán de nosotros una vez muertos y enterrados."

[Catherina]

5. When you have a question that's not straight from the rightwing playbook, try again

I'm not wasting my time with this ingenue bullshit.

[naaman fletcher]

10. Recount is "right wing playbook". Lol

I'll remember this next time you want to see an election recount.

But anyway, Maduro has said he favors the recount. Why are you against him?

[Catherina]

18. Go ahead and keep right on opening those doors for the destabilization

they've been trying to cause for years, just don't expect me to play along with you. You go right ahead cheering for the imposition of Capriles' neoliberal agenda on the Venezuelan people- without me.

Goodbye Naaman

[joshcryer]

23. Looks like you made it on DU's largest ignore list.

Congrats.

[sabrina 1]

41. How do you know Fletcher is the most ignored person on DU. I am pretty sure he has a few

competitors.

[joshcryer]

42. Reading fail.

[LooseWilly]

55. Irony fail.

[naaman fletcher]

56. I think he meant

not that I'm the leading "on ignore" person, but that the chavistas have a big list that I am now on.

It doesn't bother me either way.

I have nobody on ignore.

I'm not afriad of being challenged.

[sabrina 1]

34. This is what Right Wingers do. They lie, they deceive, the resort to violence to try to destroy real

democracy because in a real democracy, like Venezuela they cannot steal a country's resources.

All of them should be tried for treason. And Venezuela should cut off the oil to this country until the stop interfering in their affairs.

Disgraceful behavior on behalf of the 'moderate' (that always made me laugh) Caprilles and his Western backed thugs. He's showing his true colors now for the world to see. But it's no surprise at all. That didn't take long.

[Bacchus4.0]

6. the right wing play book

I believe is to fight a recount.

[Catherina]

8. Venezuela challenger says officers imprisoned

Venezuela challenger says officers imprisoned


CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) — Venezuela's opposition presidential candidate says members of the military have been thrown in jail for trying to defend an election outcome he says favored him.

Henrique Capriles did not offer details of the claim during a news conference Monday.

...

Capriles is demanding a vote-by-vote recount.

The government has said it accepts an audit of voting machine results but not a recount of each individual ballot.

http://news.yahoo.com/venezuela-challenger-says-officers-imprisoned-185940276.html

Another item on Noriega's checklist checked.

[sabrina 1]

35. This sounds like Karl Rove strategy. When you lose, claim you won, create a riot, as they did in

Florida. Venezuela should investigate their bank accounts. I wonder how much they are being paid to put on this pathetic show.

[Judi Lynn]

40. True! We've seen it right here, unfortunately.

It's good to remember that in addition to Tom Delay's aides, etc., the Cuban-American community put out calls on local Cuban-operated for Cuban listeners, calls for people to crowd the Miami-Dade vote counting center and join the maggots from Washington, D.C.

Vigilia Mambisa, with Jorge Castañeda rounded up a lot of these right-wing cretins and led the charge. They showed up on tv news broadcasts standing around with their filthy Gore-Loserman signs. What great minds they are, right-wingers.

Remember they also chased a vote-counter down the street, roughed him up, convinced he/she was running away with some ballots before they realized they were FAR off base and totally wrong. Those bastards should have all been thrown in the slammer on the spot.

[sabrina 1]

46. Rove was in Sweden helping THEIR right winger win his election. Around the time when he was

supposed to answer a subpoena from Congress. He was in Sweden, operating there for his old friend. And isn't it interesting that the Swedish Govt, led by Rove's very grateful friend I'm sure has been so cooperative about Julian Assange.

I bet Rove was advising Caprilles. The tactics are classic Rove, from having him pretend to support some of Chavez' policies to what is happening now re the election. That rat gets around. Too bad we have no rule of law here for war criminals, Rove would be in jail and the world would be a safer place.

[Judi Lynn]

48. Getting criminals into Presidencies is his life, isn't it? He must believe it won't catch up

with him, he'll never have to pay for his crimes against the human race.

Remember hearing he even bugged his own office and claimed Democrats did it? Trying to make a reverse-Watergate. He didn't quite get away with it, however, since people know he did it.

How about the idiot right-wing woman who carved letters into her face standing in front of a mirror, to be able to claim a Democrat did it, only to realize later the letters came out backwards?

Even the dumbest ones are dirty.

[Catherina]

11. Maduro will be formally proclaimed today despite oppositions attemps to destabilize the country

Venezuela says Maduro to be proclaimed president despite protests



CARACAS (Reuters) - Venezuela's Nicolas Maduro will be formally proclaimed winner of the presidency by election authorities later on Monday, despite protests from the opposition, a senior ruling party figure said.

...

He said opposition leader Henrique Capriles' plans for street protests threatened to "create destabilization" in the South American OPEC nation of 29 million people.

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/venezuela-says-maduro-proclaimed-president-despite-protests-193816078.html

[Bacchus4.0]

13. damn it, Capriles is going to provoke chavistas into shooting protesters again n/t

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[naaman fletcher]

14. I love it

People who are against recounts and against public protests calling us right-wingers. Lol

[ocpagu]

17. I love the fact...

... that some people cheering and supporting a right-wing candidate and his right-wing party (connected to other international right-wing organizations) seem to be surprised with the fact that their progressivism is questioned...

As for Capriles... it's all a show. Both the non-recognition of the result as the protests were orchestrated as Catherina had shown several days before the election.

Calling Maduro illegitimate and organizing protests even BEFORE a recount is the ultimate proof of his bad faith... or better, the present point of his script.

[naaman fletcher]

19. Sure

But isn't the correct answer to his supposed bad faith "sure, let's do the recount?".

That was Maduro's first response and CNE's as well.

[ocpagu]

20. It's not "supposed", for a start.

It's documented.

Maduro already agreed with a recount. Don't even understand why are you trying to make this into a point. This is as straw-man as it gets, since I saw no one here opposing a recount.

Following: Capriles will say that the recount was frauded, won't recognize the elections, will continue to ask his supporters to protest and start social convulsion to destabilize the country.

[joshcryer]

22. No he won't.

At least now you're taking a position here.

Capriles will recognize the results of the recount.

[joshcryer]

21. "Non-recognition" wouldn't have been possible if Maduro won handidly.

Instead, Maduro divided the country completely, almost a million chavistas jumped ship and voted for Capriles, and in the end, the difference is so short and the irregularities are so obvious, that it would be wrong for Capriles to simply ignore the will of half the Venezuelan population.

Of course, it is easily dismissed, because the government "predicted" that the opposition wouldn't recognize it, just as they "predicted" that the opposition wouldn't recognize it last time (which Capriles did).

How about the fact that Maduro is back tracking on a 100% recount and the fact that they're rushing in the swearing in? It's all a facade.

[naaman fletcher]

24. Looks like Maduro is doing a great job

Almost a million people have apparently gotten rich in his short tenure.

[joshcryer]

25. 1 million new oligarch imperialists.

In only a month. A brilliant economist. A genius.

[ocpagu]

47. Actually, what you label with sarcasm...

... does happen.

It's considered a problem by the Brazilian left wing, for example. As the population gets richer, several people will have access to services that present biased and covertly partisan opinions disguised as impartial journalism or even entertainment, on TV channels, magazines, etc., basically saying that the left is in fact destroying the country in all possible ways. There's the debate of how reaching these people and showing them the reality out of mainstream media. That's why, among other reasons, internet access is considered a priority by these countries, so that people have at least a chance of finding alternative information, as well as the debate about media regulation.

[joshcryer]

49. Do you have evidence that happened here?

From Oct 7 to April 14? In 6 months and 1 week?

Maduro's loss of so many votes showed a lack of confidence in his ability to deliver and a trust that Capriles could, imo. Basic civics 101.

[Marksman_91]

58. And those million voters got rich enough in a span of a few months...

to have access to those journals/magazines/etc.? I thought everybody under Chávez's government had completely open and free access to internet, media, and journalism, ergo, to the same things you just claimed, thanks to his great work as president. And now it seems you're suggesting that they only got access to this "biased" media following his death, and because of that, they're all of a sudden against Maduro in just a span of a few months?!?! This is comedy gold!!!!

[wayne_fontes]

27. Do you really consider Capriles to be

right wing? I'd call him a social democrat putting him about dead center of the left/right spectrum world wide. I'm wondering what you would consider to be centrist.

My question isn't bait. Just wondering what you use as a reference point.

[joshcryer]

28. Common meme is that anyone who isn't chavista...

...is a far right wing fascist who wants to install a dictatorship and use paramilitary groups and death squads.

I am completely dead serious here. This is what half of the Venezuelan population is compared to on these forums. Really. It is not hyperbole. They actually say these absurdities.

[Marksman_91]

29. Like joshcryer said, they think you're against Chávez, then you're automatically a rich right-winger

Because, you know, OBVIOUSLY most of those 7.3 million or so people who voted against Maduro must all be at least of high-middle class or above.

And also, Maduro is probably gonna beat Mitt Romney in the flip-flopping department. Yesterday he says he would subject himself for a recount, but suddenly today he's against it? Oh, and let's not forget the numerous times he said that Chávez was "fine" when el Comandante was literally dying.

UPDATE: I mean, LOOK at those people from the shanty-town covered section of Petare participating in the cacerolazo!



A bunch of greedy, rich, right-wingers if I ever saw them.

[wayne_fontes]

30. I can read Marksman_91

the vast majority of Chavistas who post here don't care one whit about any principal or have any interest in what policies are the best interest of a country in the long term. If Hugo decided to do it that's good enough for them.

I asked the question of Ocupago, why don't you answer it? Where on the the political spectrum would you put Capriles?

[Marksman_91]

31. I would place him as a centrist

He knows that in order to get the economy going, there has to be investment from private entities. And he also knows that an educated population is the best resource for a country. He would leave many of the misiones intact, as some have actually done good things for people (this is coming from someone against Chávez, btw), giving them access to cheap healthcare and education, but over the course of time, the quality of these misiones have deteriorated. He would make sure that they receive proper staffing and resources to keep things flowing.

He would also not incorporate a divisionist hate speech like Chávez and his lackeys used, who always considered everyone against them as "unpatriotic" or "oligarchs" or so on. Capriles is all about inclusion, and has never resented anyone based on their race, gender, socieconomic status, religion, or political leanings. He has never shown any signs that he wants to keep the Venezuelan people against each other, and instead wants everybody to unite under not one ideology, but rather under a single banner, the Venezuelan flag.

[joshcryer]

33. Maybe for Latin America.

But in reality he's far left of any western or European counterpart. He's far left of most of our Democrats.

[sabrina 1]

39. Chavez was a great leader. Try as the Right Wing here and there tried to defeat him, over and over

again the Venezuelan people elected him. THEY are the ones whose opinions of Chavez matter and right up to his death he was more popular, even after so many terms in office, than any of our presidents would ever be after that many years in office.

Apparently the Venezuelan people were very pleased with all he did for them. And now they have decided to continue his legacy. I guess the people know what is best for them. The Right Wing in Venezuela works for the US and Global Oil Cartels.

[joshcryer]

44. "Very pleased"? A million jumped ship on Maduro.

[ocpagu]

50. I do.

I don't believe by any means he's a social democrat. At least, a real social democrat. That are a lot of right-wing parties acting under this disguise. The social democrats in Brazil are neoliberal and conservative, for example.

He's defending the end of huge large scale project of social, civic, and economic reform. He's not proposing a new path for this reform, he's not even defending status quo, he's advocating for a return to the past. He has nothing new, only the same tools already used in the past.

[joshcryer]

52. You have no evidence for that and you know it.

[wayne_fontes]

53. I simply don't believe

a politician is a perfectly acceptable answer to me. I need to see a lot of track record and context before I'll take a politician at his word. I wish people were more skeptical about the promises politicians make and really examine what incentives politicians (or bureaucracies) respond to.

[sabrina 1]

36. Why do you support the Right Wing in Latin America? Aren't you a Democrat?

[naaman fletcher]

51. I don't support the right wing in Latin America. nt.

[joshcryer]

15. Then maybe the Earth will swallow them up and they won't be missed.

[Catherina]

54. So few posts here, so many rightwing lies n/t

[LooseWilly]

57. According to reports, its Capriles supporters shooting Maduro partisans while they celebrate.

(As well as killing police officers.)

I haven't seen any reports of chavistas shooting anyone. I suspect the caprilistas are still busy with their photoshop...

[div class='excerpt']State media and officials said the fatalities included two people shot by opposition sympathizers while celebrating Maduro's victory in a middle-class area of Caracas.
One person died in an attack on a government-run clinic in a central state. Two, including a policeman, were killed in an Andean border state, officials said.
"We will defeat this violent fascism with democracy," said Foreign Minister Elias Jaua, describing incidents and showing video footage to a group of ambassadors. "Those who attempt to take with force what they could not acquire through elections are not democrats."

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/16/17780722-coup-claim-as-7-die-in-venezuela-election-protests?lite

Of course, you are free to argue that nbcnews is really no different than Pravda... that's what they argue on FOX.

[Catherina]

26. CNE has formally proclaimed Nicolás Maduro the new President of Venezuela n/t

[Marksman_91]

32. Also, to show finally who is truly inciting violence, you need only read this tweet by Andrés Izarra

This is from the legit, recognized account of the Minister of Communication and Information himself

https://twitter.com/IzarraDeVerdad

A nada le temen mas estas hordas fascistas dirigidas por #CaprilesFascista que a los motorizados del pueblo. Habrá que organizar algo mañana

Translated: there's nothing that these fascist hordes led by #CaprilesFascista fear more than the people's motorizados. Something will have to be organized tomorrow.

These motorizados are the usual violent hordes that use their guns to intimidate opposition rallies. So, tell me, WHO's the one inciting the violence again?

[joshcryer]

37. The opposition take pans to the CNE. The chavistas bring guns.

That's all you need to know.

[sabrina 1]

38. Good for him. They need to end this right wing violence before they kill someone.

Sounds like he's doing his job which is to protect the people from these thugs.

[joshcryer]

45. Calling for armed motorizados = ending the violence?

That's why two died tonight attacking unarmed students with pans.