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Related: About this forumRail car with ammonium nitrate didn't cause Texas blast: fire official
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West Fertilizer disclosed to a Texas state agency that it had 270 tons of ammonium nitrate on hand at the plant last year. There also had been persistent rumors that a rail car delivered to the plant by Union Pacific full of ammonium nitrate might have caught on fire and caused the blast.
But Kelly Kistner, assistant Texas state fire chief, ruled out the rail car of ammonium nitrate as the cause.
"What I can tell you today is that railcar that there's been questions about, that was full of ammonium nitrate, is not the cause of the fire or cause of the explosion. It is a victim of that explosion," said Kistner.
Union Pacific had confirmed that it delivered a rail car to the plant on April 15, two days before the blast, but declined to detail what was inside.
A spokeswoman for Union Pacific, Raquel Espinoza, said the railroad did not own the rail car or its contents.
"Photographs taken after the incident show the rail car lying on its side, largely intact, with no evidence of it being directly involved in the explosion or fire," she said in a statement emailed to Reuters on Tuesday.
"The car was knocked over by the explosion, resulting in some of its cargo being spilled. There are no visible signs of the cargo being burnt. Most of the cargo appears to have remained inside the rail car," Espinoza said.
The statement by Kistner on Tuesday did not completely eliminate ammonium nitrate as a possible cause of the blast because investigators have not commented on the stocks of ammonium nitrate other than the material in the rail car.
More than 70 state and federal agents are going through the scene "shovel by shovel," looking for the initial heat source, Kistner said.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/23/us-usa-explosion-texas-idUSBRE93M1I820130423
LeftInTX
(25,224 posts)I'm glad this is answered.
I got the impression the state chemist was trying to deflect to Union Pacific.
They've also got ATF involved at the scene.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)it appeared that the main tracks, while damaged, were largely intact. The spur set going into the plant also seemed to still be there. The main tracks were raised, and it looked like that was enough for the blast to move them, the ties, and the bed. The tracks were visibly pushed together nearest to the blast. The rest looked relatively unharmed.
Had the blast centered on the rail-car, there probably would have been even more damage to the apartments and school, assuming it had the same amount of fertilizer as stored in the large tank or warehouse (I don't know which blew up, as both were obliterated.)
I guess it was the building that had been closest to the tracks that exploded and not the largest tank as you can see the crater in the following image. Plus, had it been a rail-car, there would have been a similar crater in the rail-bed, and you can see it's still pretty much intact:
LeftInTX
(25,224 posts)After reading your post I checked Google images and found a close up of the intact rail-car on its side.
white cloud
(2,567 posts)X2
Post the picture of the hopper car please or pm me the link. Got some hard headed RWN to show and tell...Thanks
LeftInTX
(25,224 posts)Oh nos!! I can't imagine what a RWNJ would be thinking
LeftInTX
(25,224 posts)white cloud
(2,567 posts)Going to spoil there diapers again!!!!11
kentauros
(29,414 posts)I think I saw the one you posted below, too. Here's the site that has both, and fourteen more.
I was mistaken, too, about that spur line, where the overturned rail car had been stopped. I thought that spur was unused, because some of the images, especially on Google Maps, showed the rails covered in dirt, ties covered or missing, and tractor-trailer rigs parked on the tracks behind the buildings.
The tracks must have been at least partially usable or that filled rail car wouldn't have been there, whether to be filled or offloading.
The gray-roofed building appears to be the one that blew up, and you can place its relative location from those aftermath aerials that show that curve in the road to the west. Here it is in Google Maps:
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=West,+Texas&hl=en&ll=31.816211,-97.088054&spn=0.000944,0.001557&sll=31.168934,-100.076842&sspn=15.537139,25.510254&t=h&hnear=West,+McLennan,+Texas&z=20
It's mind-blowing what it did to everything, including those rails. They didn't break apart, just pinched together for width of the explosion. I have wondered if the raised bed might have deflected some of the blast and shockwave, such that the apartments didn't get the absolute full force of it all. I know it's not much, yet rail beds are often at least six feet at their peaks, if not higher. Google's Terrain maps aren't detailed enough for me to see elevations.
LeftInTX
(25,224 posts)Lots of detail in those pics.
white cloud
(2,567 posts)The pictures are great with amazing details. Funny how we never saw any of those pictures in the media in Texas that I looked at.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)I'm so used to Houston media sensationalizing everything, that I just don't check it any more.
white cloud
(2,567 posts)Even people in Montana are trying to CTA with it can't happen here.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1062129
TexasTowelie
(112,098 posts)Everyone knows that Union Pacific has more liability insurance coverage and deeper pockets than the rural fertilizer company that was illegally storing 270 tons of fertilizer. Now the owner of that company might be liable for millions of dollars from his own pocket.
DhhD
(4,695 posts)the right side of the yellow flame. What separate substances are vaporizing? What color is ammonium nitrate when it is vaporizing?
white cloud
(2,567 posts)it give off a Orange cloud. If the heat is not taken away (by flooding with water) it can Detonate as a explosive.
Deflagration (Lat: de + flagrare, "to burn down" is a term describing subsonic combustion propagating through heat transfer; hot burning material heats the next ...
This is how smokeless gunpowder propels a projectile.
Detonation involves a supersonic exothermic front accelerating through a medium that eventually drives a shock front propagating directly in front of it. Detonations are observed in both conventional solid and liquid explosives,[1] as well as in reactive gases. The velocity of detonations in solid and liquid explosives is much higher than that in gaseous ones, which allows the wave system to be observed with greater detail (higher resolution).
Gaseous detonations normally occur in confined systems but are occasionally observed in large vapor clouds. They are often associated with a gaseous mixture of fuel and oxidant of a composition, somewhat below conventional flammability limits. There is an extraordinary variety of fuels that may be present as gases, as droplet fogs and as dust suspensions. Other materials, such as acetylene, ozone and hydrogen peroxide are detonable in the absence of oxygen, a more complete list is given by both Stull[2] and Bretherick.[3] Oxidants include halogens, ozone, hydrogen peroxide and oxides of nitrogen.
In terms of external damage, it is important to distinguish between detonations and deflagrations where the exothermic wave is subsonic and maximum pressures are at most a quarter[citation needed] of those generated by the former. Processes involved in the transition between deflagration and detonation are covered thoroughly for gasses by Nettleton.[4]
The same smokeless gunpowder can also detonate under certain conditions when confined. Destroying the weapon and sometime the shooter.
I am Just guessing but the dry powder barn caught on fire for some reason and the hot debris fell into the bunker of pure AN at 35% to #38% Fertiler is a mixture or blend of AN, Phosporus, and Potassium (called NPK 10-20-10) or xxx is common. Oil leaking out of a wheel loader or a bob cat loader parked in the same spot every night can cause the fertiler to start self deflagrating and turn to fire then detonate. The AN started to deflagrate and the fire fighters would not be able to remove the heat by flooding due to lack of water and equipement. It burns very hot and produce O2 until it get so hot it detonate like the Texas city ship did.. The Nurse tanks outside with Anhydrous Ammonia may have became part of the explosion as a Fuel air bomb fire explosion. Anhydrous was probably venting off from heat and burned till the AN explosion.. Then the question come up did the anhydrous ammonia heat to 1500F and contribute to the explosion by detonating??
Detonation involves a supersonic exothermic front accelerating through a medium that eventually drives a shock front propagating directly in front of it. Detonations are observed in both conventional solid and liquid explosives,[1] as well as in reactive gases. The velocity of detonations in solid and liquid explosives is much higher than that in gaseous ones, which allows the wave system to be observed with greater detail (higher resolution).
Gaseous detonations normally occur in confined systems but are occasionally observed in large vapor clouds. They are often associated with a gaseous mixture of fuel and oxidant of a composition, somewhat below conventional flammability limits. There is an extraordinary variety of fuels that may be present as gases, as droplet fogs and as dust suspensions. Other materials, such as acetylene, ozone and hydrogen peroxide are detonable in the absence of oxygen, a more complete list is given by both Stull[2] and Bretherick.[3] Oxidants include halogens, ozone, hydrogen peroxide and oxides of nitrogen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anhydrous_ammonia