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(2,567 posts)
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 07:43 PM Apr 2013

After Plant Explosion, Perry Should Get Tough Questions About Texas Business Practices

Texas Gov. Rick Perry visited Illinois this week to try to persuade local businesses to move to Texas, one of his selling points was his state’s weak worker safety protections.

In a state-by-state comparison sheet on his “Texas Wide Open For Business” website, Perry bragged that Texas’s unionization rate is only 5.7 percent, compared to Illinois’s 14.6 percent. Texas businesses pay 39 cents per $100 in covered wages for workers’ comp insurance. It’s $1.10 in Illinois.



But Perry showed up here less than a week after America’s worst workplace disasters in years, a fertilizer plant explosion that killed dozens of people in West, Tex. Given that Texas is so proud of restricting workers’ rights, I think its fair to ask whether lax safety contributed to the fire and the blast.

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Source: http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/After-Plant-Explosion-Perry-Should-Get-Tough-Questions-About-Texas-Business-Practices-203588761.html#ixzz2RKiYRCav

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After Plant Explosion, Perry Should Get Tough Questions About Texas Business Practices (Original Post) white cloud Apr 2013 OP
I guess the concept is that if the truth is distorted often enough, we can alter the truth. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #1
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:V-JK8Sg8rAIJ:www.txbiz.org/External/WCPages/WCWebContent/ DhhD Apr 2013 #3
Ok. This one is essentially lobbying priorities put together by Texas businesses for 2013. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #6
But everything to do with stopping it: doing nothing to protect the people and the workers. DhhD Apr 2013 #13
I have not been arguing that Texas is the Gulf's answer to California. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #15
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/americas/texas-explosion-plant-ignored-safety-rules-29211063.ht DhhD Apr 2013 #4
This one is about non-compliance with Dept of Homeland Security, not Texas. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #7
Ask the Texas State Fire Marshal about the chain of documents required. That sends it in both DhhD Apr 2013 #10
Ok. When I see him. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #11
Sin of commission. Neither did the others. DhhD Apr 2013 #14
http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/blog/abj-at-the-capitol/2013/03/senate-committee-on-business-and.h DhhD Apr 2013 #5
Those are all bills in progress as far as I can tell. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #9
A business is a business, with state sales taxes due. When was the inventory report sent? DhhD Apr 2013 #12
Oops. blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #2
Texas Senate clearinghouse trends. Have regulations lessened over the sessions? DhhD Apr 2013 #8
 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
1. I guess the concept is that if the truth is distorted often enough, we can alter the truth.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 07:52 PM
Apr 2013

It's a flawed concept.

I would challenge the writer of that opinion piece to a) provide a quote where Rick Perry said that Texas has weak safety regulations and that's a positive selling point for businesses considering a move to Texas; b) demonstrate that safety regulations had anything at all to do with the explosion in West; c) show that Texas's so-called weak regulations in the context of the fertilizer facility in West are weaker than those of any other major agricultural state.

I have read dozens of these stories this week, and not one has cited anything specific about Texas regulations in this context. Not one. The streak continues.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
6. Ok. This one is essentially lobbying priorities put together by Texas businesses for 2013.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 10:42 PM
Apr 2013

Still hypothetical. Nothing to do with the explosion at West Fertilizer Co.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
13. But everything to do with stopping it: doing nothing to protect the people and the workers.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 11:34 PM
Apr 2013

Doing nothing: sin of omission.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
15. I have not been arguing that Texas is the Gulf's answer to California.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 11:39 PM
Apr 2013

My argument is specific to West Fertilizer Company and their disaster.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
7. This one is about non-compliance with Dept of Homeland Security, not Texas.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 10:46 PM
Apr 2013

I did find this to be disconcerting:

Filings this year with the Texas Department of State Health Services, which weren't shared with DHS, show the plant had 270 tons of it on hand last year.

Will the 20 or 30 articles I've read about this subject, this is the first time I've seen this said explicitly. Not sure if it's because no one else stated it clearly or if The Independent has it wrong. It Texas Department of Health Services knew about the ammonium nitrate and told no one else, they are partially culpable for the deaths. However, this says that Texas regulations were out front of DHS, not the other way around.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
10. Ask the Texas State Fire Marshal about the chain of documents required. That sends it in both
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 10:52 PM
Apr 2013

directions.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
5. http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/blog/abj-at-the-capitol/2013/03/senate-committee-on-business-and.h
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 10:00 PM
Apr 2013
http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/blog/abj-at-the-capitol/2013/03/senate-committee-on-business-and.html?page=all

Business tea party will continue to discuss lighter regulations in the Legislature. So the story is in action and will be completed by the end of the session, last of May 2013.

The yellow rose of Texas may have information in writing about what the Legislature has and is considering on any given date from early January through the passage of bills.

The answers to your questions may be forth coming.
 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
9. Those are all bills in progress as far as I can tell.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 10:50 PM
Apr 2013

The "titles" are so vague it's hard to say what the bills will do, but none of them seem to have anything to do with fertilizer distributors. And none of them exist today.

We're still at the same place as we were.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
12. A business is a business, with state sales taxes due. When was the inventory report sent?
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 11:30 PM
Apr 2013

Businesses are ZONED. Housing and schools are zoned.

Chemical regulation and blending? What was in writing by state and county agencies on this plant? A verbal agreement? By whom? Where is the inspection reports from all who are in charge of regulation? Unless there are no regulations to protect the public made appropriate by Texas.

Looks like systemic failure by many.

A flame has a color to indicate what is being vaporized. A chemist knows flame tests. I understand that a chemist looking at the 1947 flames in Texas City told everyone to leave because the chemist knew what was burning and that it would get hotter and hotter. He lived. You might look into the rest of it.

Right now the Texas Legislature Interim Reports are available. I expect those effected to request a federal investigation.

After the findings, we will not be in the same place.

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