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TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 07:38 AM Apr 2013

Send the NC General Assembly a Pee Cup

You can send a pee cup to your State Senator with a small $8 donation to Action NC.

We will tell NC General Assembly that if they are going to require drug tests for North Carolina residents, then they should pee first.


A fund raiser. But there's nothing to say you couldn't just buy and send a few on your own.

https://actionnc.nationbuilder.com/pee_cup
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Send the NC General Assembly a Pee Cup (Original Post) TalkingDog Apr 2013 OP
Jim Davis gklagan May 2013 #1
Davis follow up. gklagan May 2013 #2
Meeting w/ Davis gklagan Jun 2013 #3
You are awesome. Thank you so much for doing all of this. TalkingDog Jun 2013 #4

gklagan

(123 posts)
1. Jim Davis
Thu May 9, 2013, 06:12 PM
May 2013

I'm a Licensed Clinical Addiction Specialist living in the bill sponsors district. I own several pee cups. would anyone like to come with me to Davis's office to demand that he piss clean before returning to the legislature. Also, this is an opportunity to promote Drug Courts which have a proven record of helping people recover from the disease of addiction.

gklagan

(123 posts)
2. Davis follow up.
Mon May 13, 2013, 04:17 PM
May 2013

After the 3rd call in two weeks Sen Davis returned my call. He has agreed to meet with me to discuss policy options that can promote recovery from addiction. He has also agreed to submit to a UDS which I will supply at no charge. I'll be working on a presentation about the efficacy of drug courts and a menu of other policies. If anyone is interested in assisting with the presentation please feel free to PM me. Thanks all.

gklagan

(123 posts)
3. Meeting w/ Davis
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 11:30 AM
Jun 2013

Results of the observed drug test confirm his assertion that he is substance free.

Other highlights include:

His endorsement of Vocational Rehabilitation services

The Governor's endorsement of Drug Courts (which could mean they get their funding back if we push properly)

Davis still plans to insist that work 1st applicants submit to drug tests

He plans to require that people receiving unemployment benefits submit to a drug test.

Meeting notes:

Strategy and tactics

Three messages citing the concerning bill, stating credentials, and offering to discuss policy options got me a call back in which I secured a meeting.

Meeting began by aligning: “What outcomes are you hoping to achieve with this bill?”, etc.
Once reduced substance abuse is the identified goal we begin discussing strategies to achieve this goal. I presented 4 areas for work Transportation, IDDT, Drug Courts, and access to Inpatient Treatment. Citing outcome studies supporting cost savings and social impacts of recommended policy interventions.

Sources of resistance to change: Dehumanizing language, Us-vs.-Them thinking, and implied futility of treatment/feelings of powerlessness to address the problem.

Clarified Sen. Davis’ circular reasoning –
1. We cannot afford treatment (phrased as How much do we spend trying to help before we warehouse them?)
2. Warehousing (i.e. jail) is more expensive and does not address addiction
3. We aren’t going to just shoot them.
So where does this leave us? Treatment reduces rates of addiction and incarceration and is therefore a cost saving intervention, so if we cannot afford treatment then we certainly cannot afford warehousing. And if we have ruled out summary execution this leaves no options (other than leaving them free and out of treatment which is also unacceptable).

Rhetorical issues: “I do not believe that addiction is a disease.” “Addiction is a plague. Plague was brought by rats and that’s exactly what drug dealers are.” Response: Plague is a disease so if you are going to deny that addiction is a disease you may want to change your metaphor (He agreed on this point). I will not dehumanize another person by comparing them to vermin, even drug dealers, because that leads the mind towards extermination. (This rhetorical device was not repeated).

“How much should we spend on treatment?” Response: I refuse to place a dollar value on a human life. (Rhetorical device was not repeated.)

Materials used for this meeting are available on request and anyone interested in coordinating efforts on these or related issues, feel free to drop me a line.

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
4. You are awesome. Thank you so much for doing all of this.
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 11:52 AM
Jun 2013

In case you haven't been told this WE APPRECIATE PEOPLE LIKE YOU!!!

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