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The Flaming Red Head

(1,805 posts)
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 10:22 AM Apr 2013

Understanding the underlying sub-text of works by listening to repetitive vowel and consonant sound

You can look at different poets and writers and understand the underlying meanings of the works by listening to repetitive vowel and consonant sounds. For instance, In Paradise Lost, Milton employs generous use of vowel sounds that sound like awe or ahh to give us a sense of wonder at and awe at the divinity of his work. Sylvia Plath liked to employ sss sounds in much of her work, so we could actually hear the snake coiling in her words, as she wrote, so that it gave us a sense of her feelings of despair, and the eeriness and gloom that often accompany her writing. So how something sounds in our head becomes as important as the actual meaning of the words.

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Understanding the underlying sub-text of works by listening to repetitive vowel and consonant sound (Original Post) The Flaming Red Head Apr 2013 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Stuart G Apr 2013 #1
Only as nutty as my favorite poet (well know) professor who taught me this The Flaming Red Head Apr 2013 #2
anyway this is what I was thinking about why certain words make us cringe The Flaming Red Head Apr 2013 #3
I was wrong with my post..I didn't understand the idea...sorry... Stuart G Apr 2013 #10
As a poet and writer I can affirm that this is absolutely true. I use it very deliberately. nolabear Apr 2013 #4
Aliteration, repetition, rhythm NV Whino Apr 2013 #5
We take it for granted but the spoken word is pure magic lunatica Apr 2013 #6
That's very interesting TuxedoKat Apr 2013 #7
Nice break Newest Reality Apr 2013 #8
there are musical words that you hear in songs all the time. olddots Apr 2013 #9

Response to The Flaming Red Head (Original post)

The Flaming Red Head

(1,805 posts)
2. Only as nutty as my favorite poet (well know) professor who taught me this
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 10:30 AM
Apr 2013

I went to school for a long time and paid attention so that I could learn to read and write and hear the music in gifted writers works. What's your excuse for being so mean and boorish.

The Flaming Red Head

(1,805 posts)
3. anyway this is what I was thinking about why certain words make us cringe
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 10:49 AM
Apr 2013

And yeah, I attended classes, lectures, workshops, read books, and spent time outside of school with a very bright poet/linguist who enlightened me on how you could use language to denote moods or feelings. What seems crazy to you on first glance, may be something that is (right now) way over your head.

Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
10. I was wrong with my post..I didn't understand the idea...sorry...
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 01:22 PM
Apr 2013

Souldn't have said, what I said.....I removed that post..(I said, "Are you nuts?&quot
.I reacted in mean and judgemental way... I was completely wrong, and I am sorry,

Stuart


nolabear

(41,956 posts)
4. As a poet and writer I can affirm that this is absolutely true. I use it very deliberately.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 10:59 AM
Apr 2013

I use vowel sounds, repetition, line breaks, appropriate words lengths and, particularly when doing something that involves a specific character or in a voice, words and word sounds that are appropriate to the speaker or situation.

Lately I've been playing with extended tension by breaking open forms in the final stanza and elongating the stanza. It practically makes the reader control her breath (literally if reading it aloud) in cooperation with the poem.

Staff of life for yours truly! Nice thread!

NV Whino

(20,886 posts)
5. Aliteration, repetition, rhythm
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:11 AM
Apr 2013

Change any one of those and you change the character. So many authors don't understand that. I just finished a book where I couldn't tell the difference between the female and male characters, much less between the two males because the author didn't change the rhythm of speech. Boring. Won't be reading any more by this author.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
6. We take it for granted but the spoken word is pure magic
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:12 AM
Apr 2013

Sounds come out of one persons mouth that actually carry that person's thoughts to create the same thought in another person's mind. The purity of the words and the intent behind them convey either a clear thought or an obscure and vague one. It's why poetry is so great. The poet concentrates the meaning with deliberation, creating pictures with the use of sound.

We're all magicians and don't usually give it a second thought. The power of words is forgotten even as they prove to be powerful.

TuxedoKat

(3,818 posts)
7. That's very interesting
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:49 AM
Apr 2013

to me since I was an English major. Thanks for sharing that - it adds another dimension to enjoying literature.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
8. Nice break
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:50 AM
Apr 2013

out of the shell. It's swell to fell the spell of hell as well.

The words are only a part of the expression, meaning and "communication". The short, modern definition of language is, "a means of communication".

The classic meaning is subtly different: the expression of human thoughts.

There are many, often unnoticed, nuances in what is actually a dynamic process that we are exploring by way of using language to understand language. That, in itself presents problems and leads to much complexity.

So, thank you for your refreshing perspective. Sorry that all the accompanying context, sounds, gestures, inflections, distractions, resumptions and a host of other factors in my message are missing in the translation.

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
9. there are musical words that you hear in songs all the time.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:30 PM
Apr 2013

they sing well and are in so many "hooks" of songs

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