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[NurseJackie]

1. More "both sides" bullshit... and "Democrats are the same as the GOP" bullshit.

He's cynical. Not wise.

[AmyStrange]

2. He doesn't say that anywhere...

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He's talking more about the 1%, but you can believe what you want.
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[NurseJackie]

3. His message is clear. He's lumping all politicians together it's this kind of ...

This is just a quick clip of a longer performance. His message is clear. He's lumping all politicians together it's this kind of ... defeatist cynicism and "both sides are corrupt" bullshit that helps to depress voter turnout. He even boasts about not voting.

It's that type of attitude that only serves to create an atmosphere of negativity: Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

There are no words of wisdom here. He's just a bitter and cranky old man who blames EVERYBODY when it's not really everybody's fault. He thinks EVERYONE is corrupt, but ignores the good and honest and loyal and stalwart Democrats who are working to improve the system and people's lives.

Carlin is just a funny and thinner version of Michael Moore.

[AmyStrange]

5. Really? Well then...

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When the democrats had control of both congress and the presidency, why didn't they also go after the Pharmaceutical companies when they created Obamacare?

Democrats are definitely better than the republicans, but they aren't perfect.
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[NurseJackie]

7. Who has made that claim?

Democrats are definitely better than the republicans, but they aren't perfect.

Who has made that claim? Nobody is claiming that the Democrats are perfect. Why use that as an excuse to denigrate and smear our party's leaders and elected officials?

Seriously... what good purpose does it serve to lump Democrats together with the GOP like that? Why perpetuate this bullshit myth that Democrats are just as corrupt as the GOP? You know perfectly well that it's not true! Right?

I'm sure you're aware that this lie is largely responsible for why we're in the mess we're in today. So I have to wonder, why would anyone celebrate and cheer-on those who say such things and repeat the "both sides" lie?

Susan Sarandon repeated it, Michael Moore repeated it, Stein-voter Nina Turner repeated it, Jill Stein repeated it, Stein-voter Briahna Gray repeated it... every single one of them... every opportunity they had... continually repeated the LIE that "both parties are the same" and the LIE that "it didn't matter who you vote for".

It's that kind of talk that only serves to create an atmosphere of negativity: Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

[AmyStrange]

8. You made that claim by pretending that ALL...

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democrats are ALWAYS better than republicans, and sometimes they're not, especially when it comes to dealing with the pharmaceutical companies.

Instead of arguing about this, what we need to do is elect more democrats that won't knuckle under to them.
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[NurseJackie]

10. You know perfectly well that I said no such thing.

You made that claim

You know perfectly well that I said no such thing. What an absurd accusation to make against me.

[AmyStrange]

12. And George Carlin never said, in that video, that all politicians are corrupt...

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He merely said that the working class will never be in charge, or be able to change anything.

I don't agree with that part, but the rest of it was funny... to me anyway.
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[NurseJackie]

13. Yes he did. Listen carefully at around the 42-second mark...

And George Carlin never said, in that video, that all politicians are corrupt...

Yes he did. Listen carefully at around the 42-second mark...

"... they've long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the State Houses..."

By saying that, he's clearly lumping ALL politicians (including Democrats) together. He is indeed saying that all politicians are corrupt. And that's just wrong. Was John Lewis corrupt? Was Obama corrupt? Is Pelosi corrupt? Was Hillary corrupt? Is Warren corrupt? Was Elijah Cummings corrupt? Is Adam Schiff corrupt?

This is absolute and complete nonsense! Why would anyone do anything that perpetuates the myth that the Democrats represent the "elite" or that our party is beholden to the "one-percent"?

but the rest of it was funny... to me anyway.

Really? That's "funny" to you? I see nothing at all that's "funny" about smearing Democrats or the Democratic party or our Democratic leadership.

[AmyStrange]

15. I took that to mean the majority of the politicians, not ALL of them...

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For Christ sake, Nurse Jackie, he was a comedian, not a freakin' politician, but I do agree that he did get a lot more cynical before he died, and not really as funny, like when he did the seven words you can't say on TV.

THAT was hilarious!

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[NurseJackie]

18. For Christ's sake, indeed!

For Christ sake, Nurse Jackie, he was a comedian, not a freakin' politician

For Christ's sake, indeed! Who said he was a politician? Not me!

What good purpose does it serve to hold him up as some paragon of wisdom, when in reality, he's nothing of the sort. Why rally-round his cynical description to cheer and "fist-pump" and "high-five" and praise him for "telling it like it is". When, in reality, he's doing nothing of the sort.

Instead, he's tarring our good party and our honest hard-working stalwart Democrats... and the Carlin fans CHEER HIM ON!! Doing that only perpetuates the bullshit lies that Democrats are ideologically bankrupt and "Democrats are do-nothings" and "Democrats are corrupt" and "Democrats are bought-and-paid-for" and "Democrats are weak" and "Democrats are the same as the GOP" and "Democrats are the party of the one-percent" and "Democrats are beholden to the elite".

You know who else isn't a politician? Michael Moore. He's not a politician, yet he does the same constant negative bullshit against Democrats and the Democratic party. See? You don't have to BE a politician to smear the party. And through the miracle of film and video, someone doesn't even have to be ALIVE to smear the Democratic party.

I'm sick of it. Fed up! We need to be doing everything we can to WIN AN ELECTION and get Trump and the GOP out of power. What we DO NOT need to be doing is smearing and slamming the Democratic party and its leadership at every opportunity. That truly serves no good purpose.

[AmyStrange]

19. You're a nitpicker, huh?

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welcome to the club.
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[NurseJackie]

22. So, my calling-out and refuting the lies people tell about Democrats is being a "nitpicker"?

You're a nitpicker, huh?

So, my calling-out and refuting the lies people tell about Democrats is being a "nitpicker"? Seriously? My unwillingness to remain silent while people smear Democrats and try to associate our party with the GOP is little more than nitpicking??

Oh, nice! Charming!

[AmyStrange]

25. Whatever...

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You assume too many things and don't critically analyze your beliefs.

Arguing with people like that is like arguing with myself, and I do enough of that already.

Don't despair, though, because I'm frequently wrong.

How about you?
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[NurseJackie]

28. That's not a nice thing to say about me. I haven't attacked you personally, why do you attack me?

You assume too many things and don't critically analyze your beliefs.

That's not a nice thing to say about me. I haven't attacked you personally, why do you attack me? Is there any particular reason you feel that I deserve to be insulted like that?

[AmyStrange]

29. You consider that an insult?

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Well then, I apologize.

You seem like a nice person, and you're definitely one of the good guys, but really, only you can answer whether you assume too many things and don't critically analyze your beliefs.

I was wrong to assume that you didn't.

See, I told you, I'm wrong again.
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[NurseJackie]

30. ...

Well then, I apologize.

Apology accepted.

[AmyStrange]

31. I was right about you being a nice person...

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please, please give me that one!
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[ehrnst]

73. Yet another Ad Hominem Attack.

Doesn't contribute to the credibility of one's position.

[AmyStrange]

89. Exactly...

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You hit the nail right on the head with that one.
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[ehrnst]

90. It's good to see that you're taking criticism well.

Seeing things in a calmer light usually helps with self-awareness.

[AmyStrange]

99. Too bad no one else can

[ehrnst]

105. Who else here needs to?

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[AmyStrange]

115. That's my point.

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almost everyone is blind to the real problem.
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[ehrnst]

117. "Almost everyone"

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And what is this "real problem" they are all "blind to?"

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[AmyStrange]

130. Critically analyzing their beliefs.

[ehrnst]

134. If you say so...

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[AmyStrange]

147. ha ha ha

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touché.
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[Cary]

32. How about avoiding "both sides do it?"

It's not constructive. "Both sides do it" is lazy and sloppy.

If you have an issue with a particular person or policy just state it without resorting to the fallacy of the golden mean.

[AmyStrange]

33. You're right. It's a distraction, but...

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I still think George Carlin was funny, at least back in "the day" anyway:

This is not against you personally, but I do find it funny how some people take comedians so literally.

They're comedians for god sake! Their job is to exaggerate, make fun of, and bend the truth.

Do you think Political cartoons would be as funny if they didn't draw trump the way they do?

I don't think so, although, like I've said before, I am frequently wrong.
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[ehrnst]

66. ....

[ehrnst]

136. "The fallacy of the golden mean"

I've always heard it referred to as "argument to moderation" or "false equivalence."

You learn something every day.

Thanks!

[Cary]

225. Any time

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[Cary]

226. I also call it posturing

People who resort to this fallacy seem to assume that they are somehow superior and above the fray.

[ehrnst]

227. Or those who want a fray, if they have been angered by someone who doesn't seem

awed by their intellect, and dares to critique them.

The use of logical fallacies usually indicates an emotional response to someone who has run out of logical responses in a discussion.

[Cary]

233. Yep.

And ignorance of course.

[ehrnst]

50. Which Democrats are "worse" than Republicans?

And who are the ones who "knuckle under" to them? You must have some examples.

Can you quantify what you mean by "knuckling under" You must have some examples.

You mean like getting working with them on committees, or getting something that we want instead of just walking out of the room?

I'm assuming that you have a vast knowledge of what is involved in legislating to make those kind of statements.

[AmyStrange]

61. One democrat is better than all the republicans combined...

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There! Are you satisfied?

This thread is now on fire, thanks.

(I'm still looking for that tiara, so please, keep your eyes open)
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[ehrnst]

126. So why is it that you sound uncertain about what good Democrats will do in November?

And just a reminder...

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[AmyStrange]

137. You know, I was lambasted here once for making a prediction...

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and it was not pretty.

Besides, I remember the last time we were in charge.
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[ehrnst]

141. What prediction was that?

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[AmyStrange]

153. I guaranteed that Trump would lose the election...

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and some people attacked me, because they don't believe in ESP.

I posted it under my pseudonym Amy-Strange.
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[ehrnst]

181. Do you have a link to this "attack?"

I'm not finding any posts by an "Amy-Strange."

Might it have been under another pseudonym?

[AmyStrange]

186. Later, ok?

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I'm still catching up with all your other crap.

JUST KIDDING!!!
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[ehrnst]

189. So no, you don't have a link to it. Was it another psuedonym?

Another board?

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[Amy-Strange]

190. No it was THIS User ID...

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It was a while ago, before all this Covid stuff got crazy.

It's taking a while to find, but do notice that this user-id is Amy-Strange and not AmyStrange.
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[AmyStrange]

196. Already answered...

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see the post above mine from Amy-Strange.
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[AmyStrange]

200. Found it, and...

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I was wrong. It was in June.

That seems like such a long time ago for some reason.

Anyway, here you go:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213602807

Also, this was the 200th post in this thread and here I thought, I'd maybe get a couple dozen.
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[ehrnst]

207. So why do post under two profiles on DU?

[AmyStrange]

210. I've been gone for a few years, and...

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I couldn't remember my password, and I was too lazy to ask Skinner for help.

He's a great guy, but also very, very busy and I didn't want to bother him.

Finally, I just decided to bite the bullet, and here I am again.
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[ehrnst]

214. Seems that you were able to finally remember it, and are actively posting under both profiles.

Why is that?

[AmyStrange]

220. I have over a hundred e-mail addys...

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associated with my domain name amystrange.org, and I couldn't remember which one I used, but I finally did.

I started here not too long after they opened.

We're talking almost 20 years ago.
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[ehrnst]

146. Avoiding answering? Not surprised.

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[AmyStrange]

154. Of course it doesn't surprise you, because...

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it fits right in what what you already "think" you know about me.

The answer is, I remember what happened the last time the Dems were in charge, and that's the other reason besides the prediction thing.

They were definitely better than the republicans, but there's a lot of stuff that they could've done, but they didn't.
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[ehrnst]

172. So yes, you're going to avoid answering, after you brought it up out of nowhere.

Don't want to take responsibility for that statement either, I see. One really shouldn't write checks that they don't have the funds in the bank to cover.



I remember what happened the last time that Dems were in charge, and I thought they did everything they could - in fact, Obama didn't think that the ACA could get passed, and Speaker Pelosi told him she would guarantee it.

The first major health reform passed since Medicaid and Medicare, and more than many people could have predicted.

But of course, some people need a reason to needle and complain about Democrats who are accomplishing progressive change, and scapegoat and armchair quarterback when they've never even been on the field.

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[AmyStrange]

177. I did answer...

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The answer is, I remember what happened the last time the Dems were in charge, and that's the other reason besides the prediction thing.

They were definitely better than the republicans, but there's a lot of stuff that they could've done, but they didn't.

Now as far as Obamacare is concerned, I don't like some of it.

I understand the logic behind having everyone insured (it supposed to lower the cost), but I don't like being forced to buy health insurance when I don't want it.

Also, they could've legalized pot and took care of that bank problem that puts a target on pot stores because of it, but they didn't.

All they did was write the freakin' "Cole" memo.

There a couple others, but I agree, mostly they did a good job. Better than the republicans have ever done.
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[ehrnst]

183. So you "don't want" health insurance?

Because you would rather rely on others who are paying for coverage to cover any emergency costs you may incur?

And the 30 million plus who got health insurance because of the ACA, some of whom had pre-existing conditions that are now covered because of the mandate... I suppose they have nothing to be grateful for.

There are many exceptions to the mandate - religious, low income, etc. And you can simply pay the fee, and not "be forced" to get a plan, in fact the fee usually cheaper than the cheapest policy.



What is your specific objection to health coverage?

Do you wear a mask, BTW?

[AmyStrange]

192. Nope, I'm not going to the hospital, unless they force me

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I know it's stupid, but that's the way I am.

Every place I've ever worked, I've had it AND never used it.

I've paid my fair share, and next year I can go on Medicare if I want, and yes I DO WEAR A MASK.

I wrote the book on wearing mask:

Top Ten Reasons to Wear a Mask:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10181364848
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[ehrnst]

206. You're the one who says you're being stupid.

I don't think you're immune to getting hit by a car, having appendicitis, or any number of health issues that no one plans to experience that land one in the hospital.

I'm assuming you got yearly checkups, vaccinations, pap smears, mammograms, bone dexes and other services using that health care coverage you didn't want.

Next year, you'll be using a health plan that I and thousands of others will be paying into, yet won't be using.

You're welcome! I'm happy to do it.

[AmyStrange]

208. Yes I am...

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Never got any of those except for the vaccinations that were forced on me when I was a baby, and when I went in the military.

I've NEVER been sick in my life.

Even in grammar school when everyone else was getting mumps and the chicken pox.

ETA: Sorry, I did have my tonsils pulled when I was in first grade, but that's it.
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[ehrnst]

209. So you don't have the recommended adult vaccinations and boosters? Any particular reason why?

I'm assuming you will also pass on any COVID vaccinations as well?

And did you get annual checkups, colonoscopy and such all those years that you had that health care coverage you didn't like?

[AmyStrange]

211. Probably not, and...

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I never had any of those other things that you mentioned either.

Why? What's the big deal?
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[AmyStrange]

212. CORRECTION

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I did get a flu shot once. In the military, and it just made me sick as a dog.

Never got another one, and have never been sick since.

And before you say it, I'm not saying don't vaccinate people.

I'm not a freakin' anti-vaxxer or whatever they call it.

I will get the Covid vac, because this involves other people, and not just me.
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[ehrnst]

213. All vaccines involve other people, and not just you.

After all, there are those people with infants, those who are immunocompromised, etc, who can't get vaccinated.

You can, and you could be a danger to them if you contracted a disease and were a carrier - and that's way more likely now that there are all these anti-vaxxers walking around with their unvaccinated children.

COVID isn't the only deadly disease you could give someone. Why do you make a distinction between COVID, and say, Measles?

Did you get checkups, bloodwork and recommended tests such as a colonosopy after you got out of the military? You didn't answer that.

Do you get out much?

[AmyStrange]

216. I stay home most of the time, and...

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all my roommates have complained about that constantly, but they never got sick

What vaccinations should I get anyway?
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[ehrnst]

219. That's a question for a physician. You have access to them through your insurance.

I mean it's different payer than Medicare, but otherwise the same.

Do you have a fear of doctors?

[AmyStrange]

224. I love doctors, and...

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I have no problem with needles.

I just don't see the point of going to see one if I'm healthy.

I'm 63, have smoked like a chimney my whole life, never eat the right kind of foods, or exercise at all, and I feel GREAT!!!

I'll probably die of a massive heart attack.

Do you want to come to the party my sister's throwing for me when I do?

She told me, "They may not remember me, but they damn sure will remember this party."

She's good like that.
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[ehrnst]

228. This is clearly a very sore point with you. Point made.

I was just curious as to why one woould not use your current health coverage to get checkups, but seem to look forward to going when one is on Medicare, and why one wouldn't get vaccination and boosters for various diseases that could threaten other people's lives.

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[AmyStrange]

232. So, the answer is no...

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Too bad. You're gonna miss a good party.
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[ehrnst]

235. So the answer is too embarassing for you. Got it.

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[AmyStrange]

239. I'm not embarrassed.

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Are you?

If you are, then I'll apologize for that.
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[GeorgiaPeanut]

9. It is quite an erroneous thinking

and in line with the Susan Sarandons, Nina Turners and Brihana Joy Greys of this world.

That is not a company I'd like to keep. Democrats are infinitely better. The "imperfections" that you see are political realities and Democrats never cause upheaval -- they embrace incremental change so that the industries and markets can adjust.

Some on the left want to wave a wand and make pharma companies disappear. If that happens, who will invent new drugs and deal with another pandemic? The US is a market based economy. It will always be. Socialistic takeovers will not neither be welcome nor will they be successful in the long run.

[AmyStrange]

11. You're right...

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it is a political reality, but pretending it doesn't exist doesn't solve anything.
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[GeorgiaPeanut]

14. No one has pretended it doesn't exist.

It becomes a very broad-brush accusation of Democrats.

[AmyStrange]

16. There are some democrats who are willing to fight the pharmaceuticals, but...

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not a whole lot really.

It'll be interesting to see what happens when they take over after November.
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[GeorgiaPeanut]

23. Have you ever considered how many people are employed

by pharmaceutical companies and how many of them are Democrats? Most pharma companies are in blue states. Many are in foreign countries too and there is no way to browbeat them.

Eliminating pharma companies will not bring utopia as the people on the far left envision.

Even countries that have national health care still have pharma companies.

It was a red herring by Senator Sanders.

Perhaps a deal could be worked out where the government, in exchange for lower prices, agrees to buy a large volume of drugs and pays for some of the development costs but you will never see a drug costing $300 come down to $2.

[AmyStrange]

27. I'm not knocking pharmaceutical companies...

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and I already explained this in post #21.

One good thing, though, is I did learn how to spell "pharmaceutical" correctly

(not complaining about you, just thought that it looked weird the way it's spelt)
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[GeorgiaPeanut]

42. Huh? I spelled it correctly as well

"pharma" is a known short form of pharmaceutical.

[AmyStrange]

43. please, read my WHOLE post the next time...

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because then you'd know that I wasn't referring to you.

sorry, for the misunderstanding anyway, because I was referring to the way pharmaceutical was spelt, not pharma.
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[ehrnst]

49. Oh? You've changed your mind about them since this post?

When the democrats had control of both congress and the presidency, why didn't they also go after the Pharmaceutical companies when they created Obamacare?

Democrats are definitely better than the republicans, but they aren't perfect.

[AmyStrange]

58. I don't care anymore...

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everyone here wins, and as usual, I'm freakin' wrong.

The pharmaceutical companies are barely breaking even, and they're most definitely not gouging people.

George Carlin sucks, and I wish now, that I'd never, ever even heard of the guy.

Oh, by the way, has anybody seen "Me's" Tiara?
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[ehrnst]

68. False Dilemma Fallacy

Sometimes called the “either-or” fallacy, a false dilemma is a logical fallacy that presents only two options or sides when there are many options or sides. Essentially, a false dilemma presents a “black and white” kind of thinking when there are actually many shades of gray.

Example: "You either agree with me completely, OR you hate George Carlin, are pretending the working class has it GREAT, adore pharmacuetical companies and are completely unreasonable ."


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[AmyStrange]

79. If you say so...

[ehrnst]

80. I didn't invent the definition. I just spotted it in use.

[AmyStrange]

96. So did I

[ehrnst]

106. As I said, self-awareness is a good thing, even after the fact.

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[AmyStrange]

116. You're right...

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and maybe someday, you'll take your own advice.
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[ehrnst]

118. My self-awareness is pretty good, albeit no one is perfect.

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The advice, however was intended for you, because you needed it. I think learning from it will be beneficial to your time here on Democratic Underground.



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[AmyStrange]

82. If you say so...

[ehrnst]

125. Indeed. (nt)

[ehrnst]

51. Attacking a strawman.

When one feels a need to misrepresent what the other person said to make one's point, then maybe one's point needs to be re-examined.

[GeorgiaPeanut]

53. +1

[AmyStrange]

59. +2

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Well said.
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[ehrnst]

67. So glad you didn't take offense.

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[AmyStrange]

76. No need...

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you were right about EVERYBODY here, including me.
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[ehrnst]

77. No, that wasn't about everybody here. (nt)

[AmyStrange]

95. That's what YOU think...

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ha ha ha ha
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[ehrnst]

111. It's what I've observed, along with some others here.

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[AmyStrange]

127. Observe, learn and take a deep breath...

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[ehrnst]

138. And "Argument by Repetition" fallacy gets added to the list...

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Description: Repeating an argument or a premise over and over again in place of better supporting evidence.

Logical Form:

X is true. X is true. X is true. X is true. X is true. X is true... etc.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Argument-by-Repetition

You're welcome, once again.

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[AmyStrange]

148. noted

[ehrnst]

69. Gee. I thought this thread was about a comedian.

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That got heavy pretty fast, didn't it? Let's lighten up, OK?


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See also:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=598280

[AmyStrange]

81. It was, but...

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it got hijacked by a bunch of nitpickers, including me.
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[ehrnst]

83. It's good that you can see your participation in and catalyst of all that now. (nt)

[AmyStrange]

97. Yup, I'm the one at fault for everything...

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Doesn't anyone even think about what they write?
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[ehrnst]

108. Some hyperbole there?

Did you see the "Breathe" gif that I posted in response to a couple of your posts?
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[AmyStrange]

119. Big-time, and...

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I'm not the one who needs to take a deep breath.

Going after you're own people isn't exactly a good thing for this party.
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[ehrnst]

121. If you say so....

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I didn't "go after" any Democrat. I didn't even express doubt as to what good Democrats would actually do when elected in November.

Wish I could say the same for others on this thread.



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[AmyStrange]

133. George Carlin was a democrat.

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He's dead now and can't defend himself.

What happened here proves how some people show "respect" for other democrats that don't "toe the party line".

Eating our own isn't good for business.
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[George II]

20. Without the pharmaceutical companies do you think we'd have a vaccine within a few months or....

....even a year of two?

[AmyStrange]

21. I'm not knocking pharmaceutical companies...

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I'm knocking their price-fixing crap.

Why is medicine cheaper in Canada?

Because they had the guts to negotiate with them.

We didn't.
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[GeorgiaPeanut]

24. Canadians give tax incentives and guaranteed bulk payments

No one sells something below market prices - it all ends up being in the same ballpark.

[AmyStrange]

26. What's the REAL market cost of medicines?

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That's the real question.

Another one is why do pharmaceuticals still make money if they're selling everything at cost?

I'm not trying to be facetious. I really want to know.
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[ehrnst]

48. What is a "market cost?" I think you are confused on your terms.

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The "market price" of anything is set by.... the market.

Are you referring to the cost of the development and manufacture of specific drugs to the pharmacuetical company?

Who said that they are selling everything "at cost?" No one on this thread has said that. No company does that. Strawman?

The closest thing that has been successful is the Clinton Foundations negotiations with companies to offer a "supermarket" pricing structure - selling a huge number of HIV/AIDS drug doses at a much lower markup.

There are companies who will not spend the millions to research to develop a cure for HIV/AIDS, because they know that should they succeed the world would demand that they provide it free or next to free. There is a non-profit that, rather than simply shaking their finger at pharmacuetical companies, 'ooing after them' and demanding that they become non-profits, has offered to purchase enough doses at the pharma rate in order to recoup their costs, so that companies will do the research.

While that doesn't satisfy people who want to see those companies suffer financially and fold, it will actually help get to a cure faster.

If you had to choose between those two goals, which would it be - because there is no way it can be both.

[AmyStrange]

56. market cost equals cost to bring to market

Last edited Fri Aug 7, 2020, 05:50 AM - Edit history (1)

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sorry for the misinformation. My bad.

Market cost includes raw material, labor, payroll, advertising, PR, and stuff like that.

Now profits are what I'm really interested in.

Everything else is just a smoke screen.

And by the way, as I've said before, I'm frequently wrong, but George Carlin is still funny.

(No he's not. He's a moron)
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[ehrnst]

92. Here's more information on the process of pricing

https://time.com/5564547/drug-prices-medicine/#:~:text=There%20are%20essentially%20no%20regulations,medicine%20at%20Harvard%20Medical%20School.

I think you'll agree it should be regulated, but elections have consequences, and the Democrats's attempts to get regulation in place has been stopped by the GOP.

It's pretty clear the two parties are nothing alike, despite the impatient, uninformed carping against them by those who don't have an understanding of the legislativer process and the reality of how much negotiation goes on in every piece of legislation.

And also the vast differences between the history, economy, culture and timeline between Canada's journey to their current Universal Health Care and the U.S.

[AmyStrange]

101. I do agree, and...

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we'll see who really is the better political party when the Dems take over in November.
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[ehrnst]

103. I for one, know already which is the better political party.

Why else would I be on Democratic Underground?


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[AmyStrange]

112. Of course you do...

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It's a cool place to complain about everything republican.
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[ehrnst]

114. It's certainly not a "cool place" for those who complain about everything Democratic.

They often feel like no one listens to them, and everyone else is stupid and doesn't get it.

They usually wind up leaving for other more welcoming boards.

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[AmyStrange]

129. I'm not the one who started the complaining...

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I merely posted a video that I thought was funny, and then defended it.
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[ehrnst]

132. Many of your posts are indeed complaints and rants

scroll up to review.

Usually people are grateful when they're shown that something they posted could be taken in a way they hadn't thought of.

Or sometimes one can get very defensive and upset when someone points out something they knew the post implied, but didn't want to be obvious about.

That's usually when the logical fallacies start multiplying.



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[AmyStrange]

145. George Carlin never said ALL democrats were as corrupt as republicans...

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That's what I'm mostly complaining about.

That and the pharmaceutical companies.

I may be wrong about that, but no one has proven that I am.

They merely pretend that they're all great, and that they don't care about money.

Read post 143 for more...
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[ehrnst]

149. I never said that Carlin said that, so why are you hammering on me about it?

Are you confusing me with someone else on this thread?




Who are the "they" you talking about here?

They merely pretend that they're all great, and that they don't care about money.

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[AmyStrange]

155. Some of the "THEY" are Nurse Jackie, but...

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she's not the one who attacked me about the pharmaceuticals.

I just don't believe they are as altruistic as some people seem to think.
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[ehrnst]

164. Who here thinks that pharmacuetical companies are altruistic at all?

Are you confusing this thread with one on another website?



Otherwise...



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[AmyStrange]

202. If you think drug prices are reasonable...

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then yeah, you think drug companies are altruistic.

I don't.
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[ehrnst]

204. I didn't say that. No one on this thread said that. What "you" are you talking about?

Again... the false dilemma fallacy: where someone states that there are only two options, when there are more.

It appears you want to make the false claim that anyone who disagrees with you on any aspect of health policy reform must therefore necessarily think that drug companies are altruistic and their pricing reasonable.

That's also attacking a straw man - making it a twofer!

No one here is going to defend that straw man that you set up and attacked, no matter how many times you do it again, and again, and again. Which if you keep doing it, could get a threefer with the Argument by Repetition fallacy.

Just sayin.

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[AmyStrange]

205. I agree with you...

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see how easy that was.

Now go out there and get Joe Biden elected!
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[AmyStrange]

156. Because it's what started all this crap...

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and led to this discussion.
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[ehrnst]

165. Again... why are you hammering on me about it?

When one's resentment and anger are misdirected to those who didn't merit it, it doesn't reflect well on one's credibility.

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[AmyStrange]

166. I'm not hammering. I'm explaining...

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but you're not listening.
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[ehrnst]

168. I'm listening, and you're frantically avoiding accepting any responsibility for the consequences

of your own posts.

[AmyStrange]

174. When are you going to explain what my false logic is?

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Interesting that you never do, or anyone else for that matter.

All I hear are "crickets"

I promise, I WILL concede if you make some sense.
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[ehrnst]

179. I see the fallacy by repetition is back.

Did you forget this response? Getting emotionally worked up can interfere with concentration.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=598403



But since you're trying to derail by demanding in several places that I show the instances where you've been called out, bookmark it - it'll save you a lot more frantic attempts red herrings:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=598391

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=598185

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=598130

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017598030#post71

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=598280

[AmyStrange]

185. Nope

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I just hadn't read your other post yet.
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[ehrnst]

191. Frantically trying to respond more than one of my posts demanding I answer the same question

while accusing me of not answering it. CRICKETS!!!

Yep.

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[ehrnst]

46. When you say "they" you're not talking about insurance companies, like we have in the US

Insurance companies negotiate, not our government, for the vast majority of people. Apples, oranges.

The US government does negotiate prices for Medicaid and VA drugs, but that is not the vast majority of people.

The election had consequences - Members of the 116th Congress have introduced bills to change the law and allow government drug price negotiation. So, yes, Democrats in Congress have the "guts" even if you don't know what is actually going on in terms of what they are negotiating. The GOP led Senate is refusing to let it go further.

https://www.kff.org/medicare/issue-brief/whats-the-latest-on-medicare-drug-price-negotiations/

You're welcome.

Also, Canada started their health care system decades ago, in the 60's. They didn't start in 2020. It's easier to keep costs down than it is to cut them.

Health care and health care policy - which includes government regulation of drug pricing - is complicated, and there is no silver bullet or easy, affordable fast way of making massive changes in the funding structure without upsetting health care delivery. Anyone who tells you otherwise is selling something or running for office.

[AmyStrange]

62. Thank you, and...

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it's been a pleasure doing business with you.

You helped set this whole thread on fire, and I thank you.

George Carlin would've been so proud!

(the lousy, no-good scum)
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[ehrnst]

65. .....

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[AmyStrange]

75. Thank you, and...

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I love that song by the way...
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[ehrnst]

78. I hope you understand the relevance. (nt)

[AmyStrange]

91. Yup, Billy Joel is blaming everyone else for all the bad that's happened, and...

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that's actually how people do look at things.

You're wrong, and I'm not.
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[ehrnst]

93. No, that's not it.

But I think you know that.

[AmyStrange]

102. Which part of, "WE didn't start the fire," don't you understand?

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Regardless, it's still a great song!
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[ehrnst]

104. I posted that to someone who claimed everyone else was trying to start fires.

Scroll up, if you don't remember.
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[AmyStrange]

157. ha ha ha

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you're funny.

I may have contributed to it but, I didn't start it.

A misinterpretation is what really started it, but no one seems to see it except me.
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[ehrnst]

167. You're the "thread master" as you put it...

and you had a choice to (a) get that fire going or (b) starve it of oxygen.

You chose (a) and responded with one logical fallacy after another. You got called out, and got even more upset and doubled down.

That was your choice and no one else's.

Your thread, your actions, your consequences.

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[AmyStrange]

170. Yup, I did...

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Now, please explain where my logic is false.

I'm still waiting for that one.

If they are, I WILL concede the point... unlike some people.
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[ehrnst]

176. Hon, a logical fallacy is an attempt to derail a logical discussion.

Is that clearer?

You acknowledged being told you were using one at least once.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=598403

Emotional upset can interfere with one's concentration.

[AmyStrange]

184. I don't agree...

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and that's where we got derailed.

I thought you were talking about me lying.

Interesting that you don't see that "logical fallacy" in others, like when Nurse Jackie said that George was saying that ALL democrats were like republicans, and when I called her on it... she changed the subject.
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[ehrnst]

197. And we have "Argument from Silence" concerning Jackie not going down the rabbit hole with you.

An argument from silence is an informal fallacy that occurs when someone interprets someone's or something's silence as anything other than silence, typically claiming that the silence was in fact communicating agreement or disagreement.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_silence

That indicates that you think if you're the last one to post on a topic, that they conceding you are "right."

THAT's why you can't stop posting about a topic here... because if you do, then that means whoever responds to you gets to think they have schooled you into silence.



Hon, I have to make dinner. Just so you know.... I'm not going to post any more, but no, that doesn't mean you're right.

[AmyStrange]

199. Exactly, and...

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it also means that you caught them with the goods, and it's easier just to change the subject than admit that they're wrong.

I do it all the time, as you've pointed out.

Ha ha ha.
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[ehrnst]

44. Because that wasn't the goal of the ACA. The goal was to get health care to people.

And it did.

If you want to take out the pharmacuetical companies, you're going to need to have a substitute source for medication already in place and working within the supply chain.

You need to define your priorities, and health care is priority of the Democratic Party.

I know that Hillary was excoriated for the Clinton Foundation negotiating deals between pharmacuetical companies and developing nations that would guarantee that deeply discounted bulk rates for HIV antiretrovirals would be offered to those countries, and the Foundation would guarantee that they would buy any of that bulk order that the country didn't.

Now 75% of HIV patients in the world get their drugs via a Clinton Foundation negotiated partnership. "Going after" the pharmacuetical companies on the part of the Clinton Foundation would have meant that no drugs would have gotten to them, and likely most of those people would not have access to affordable medication, likely dead or close to it, and pharmacuetical companies would still be in business.

The choices aren't always what you think they are, and that "imperfect" way of doing things saved a lot of people's lives.

Don't you think that was worth it?

[sheshe2]

52. Thank you, ehrnst.

You don't cut the tree off at it's foundation, dig out the roots then dump herbicides to make sure it is dead before you sprout a new solid plan that can flourish and grow.

Thank God for the Clinton Foundation.

[betsuni]

54. +10000000000000000000000000000

[AmyStrange]

57. +100000000000000000000000000000000 x 2

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Jeez, guys. Chill the freak out, please.

I'm not trying to hypnotize anyone here into thinking that the rich really do care about us?

It's just a short monologue from a freakin comedian, and like another one said...

I get no respect. No respect at all.
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[ehrnst]

64. Just cool your jets, Amy.

If people responding to your posts about Democrats gets under your skin so much, maybe you need to think about what you post.

(See what I did there? https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=598285)

This is you, yes?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017598030#post5

[AmyStrange]

88. I hate when people say that...

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like I'm the problem, and they aren't.

I'm not ALWAYS the problem.
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[ehrnst]

110. Who said that you were? Perhaps you're confusing me with someone else? Or another thread?

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[AmyStrange]

122. Please, take a breath and slow down...

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you seem to be getting upset!
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[ehrnst]

124. "I know you are but what am I?"

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That's definitely not a sign that someone's so upset they've run out of responses, but still feel a need to retort.... you used the "calm down" trope up a long time ago, and it backfired on you, didn't it?



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[AmyStrange]

139. Nope, and...

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it didn't work for you either.

After all, this is MY thread, and I am merely responding to your post as any good thread master should do.

It's the polite thing to do.
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[ehrnst]

142. "Thread master?"

What other discussion boards are you on??

When you post, everyone on DU has the ability to respond, and they don't need to follow any rules the "thread master" sets.

You are free, however to simply let those threads go unanswered, thereby not throwing fuel on the fire you're complaining so much about.

%%%%%%%

[AmyStrange]

151. What do you call it...

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I'm merely being polite.

Why do you keep posting?
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[ehrnst]

169. It's called being the author of an OP. You're welcome.

Why do you keep posting?
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[AmyStrange]

171. I like thread master better, but...

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thank you.

I keep posting because it's polite, and I'm still the thread master.

I do miss some, but that's because I'm not perfect, and not because I like ignoring people.
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[ehrnst]

173. The word "master" might offend some.

Will you lash out at anyone who informs you of that, like you have with those here who informed you of the implications of other posts you've made.

What is it that someone is called when they are told that they're saying something is offensive, and they keep on saying it?

Not a "good listener" that's for sure.



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[AmyStrange]

178. "Master" offends people?

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Didn't know that, but I can see your point.
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[ehrnst]

188. I said that it might. It's up to you if you want to keep on using it and see what happens.

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[AmyStrange]

195. I was thinking along the lines of a chess master, but...

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that really doesn't make any sense.

Isn't there a walking machine called the "Thread Master"?

I wonder if anyone is giving them shit about it?
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[ehrnst]

217. Well, there is this..

https://www.zdnet.com/article/github-to-replace-master-with-alternative-term-to-avoid-slavery-references/#:~:text=GitHub%20is%20working%20on%20replacing,its%20CEO%20said%20on%20Friday.

You're welcome.

[AmyStrange]

222. That was interesting

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Did people complain, or are they just being overly cautious?

The article doesn't really say.
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[ehrnst]

230. Why do you think I know more their decision than the reporter of the article?

Here's more on the topic. You're welcome.

https://builtin.com/software-engineering-perspectives/offensive-code-terminology-changes

https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/living/story/realtor-groups-drop-master-bedroom-bathroom-terms-listings-71552673

https://www.diyphotography.net/canon-has-dropped-master-and-slave-terminology-from-its-flash-system/

https://www.theserverside.com/opinion/Master-slave-terminology-alternatives-you-can-use-right-now

https://thenextweb.com/dd/2020/07/13/linux-kernel-will-no-longer-use-terms-blacklist-and-slave/

[AmyStrange]

237. The problem is that "master" is used too widely...

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for example mastermind, Grand Master, the Masters, master plan, master of ceremonies, master sergeant, master chef, master of disguises, and so on...

Plus, you don't have anything where people are actually protesting this word.

I'm not disagreeing with you, I can certainly understand your point, but you've got a long road ahead, and it ain't gonna be smooth sailing either.
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[ehrnst]

243. Not my "road." Are you confusing me with someone else?

I just let you know something that you didn't.

You're welcome.

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[AmyStrange]

246. Did you know that there's an actor named Master Bates?

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https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0060983/

and there's also a character in Oliver Twist that Dickens calls the same name:

https://americanliterature.com/author/charles-dickens/book/oliver-twist/chapter-xviii
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[ehrnst]

247. Red Herring now added to the growing list.

TagURit.


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[AmyStrange]

250. Look, my favorite puppy dog is back!

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It's obvious now that you ARE in love with me, but I can't continue this relationship, because I don't want or need one.

I hope you can forgive me.
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[ehrnst]

251. Tagurit

Yes, a self-described 63-year-old heavy smoker, with roommates, who hasn't had a vaccination since childhood would be quite a catch.


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[ehrnst]

71. Ad Hominem Attacks:

Attacks don't have to be strong or direct. You can merely show disrespect, or cut down his stature by saying that he seems to be sweating a lot, or that he has forgotten what he said last week. Some examples: "I used to think that way when I was your age." "You're new here, aren't you ?" "You weren't breast fed as a child, were you ?" "What drives you to make such a statement ?" "If you'd just listen.." "You seem very emotional." (This last works well if you have been hogging the microphone, so that they have had to yell to be heard.)

http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html#hominem

[AmyStrange]

86. What's the point...

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no one listens anyway. They just dig in and pretend like you're the nut. You can see it in this thread, but at least I'm willing to listen to what people say.

Too bad no one else does.
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[ehrnst]

87. Are you asking "what's the point" of ad hominem attacks?

You tell me.

[AmyStrange]

98. See, no one listens. They just dig in, and...

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pretend I'm the stupid one.
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[ehrnst]

109. Well, if you feel that way, perhaps there are other places you would feel more

comfortable posting.

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I can think of a few, including one spin-off of DU.

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[AmyStrange]

120. Nope

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some people here are actually cool. They also actually listen and think about things.

They don't just attack people for false reasons.
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[ehrnst]

123. Glad I'm one of the cool ones. I'm one of the few who're listening to you enough to respond,

and have the thoughtfulness and respect to be up front and direct with you.

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You're welcome!

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[AmyStrange]

135. Thank you

[ehrnst]

140. Finally, I get some of the respect and gratitude I deserve.

+++++++++++

[AmyStrange]

150. Now go and spread the joy

[sheshe2]

201. ;)

[Me.]

162. ...

[ProudMNDemocrat]

4. Damn, I still miss this man....George was RIGHT about a lot of things...

Saw him from a 4th row in performance in 1989. He was great..

One bit he focused on that got the crowd howling..."Selling is Legal. Fucking is LEGAL. Why is selling Fucking ILLEGAL?"

The thing about George Carlin as he got older and more political in his monolougues, is that HE MADE YOU THINK.

[AmyStrange]

6. I miss him too n/t

[AmyStrange]

17. This one's for you...

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I put it in an earlier post here, but I think it's worth repeating:

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[Me.]

34. And...?

He's a comedian looking for laughs and a living.

[AmyStrange]

35. Thank you

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Clever user id by the way, or are you just from Maine?
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[Me.]

36. Sorry But I Didn't Mean It As An Affirmation

I agree with Nurse Jackie. That both sides thing has to stop. Dems have been kicked with that for decades and that equivalency is one reason we have a trump in the WH today. Anyone who is living is getting a good lesson in both sides niot being the same.

[AmyStrange]

37. True, but...

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I still like George Carlin.

Comedians are paid to exaggerate, make fun of things, and bend the truth.

I find it funny how people take what they say so literally?

But then again, I am frequently wrong about a lot of things, like I've already said about a million times here in DU.

(See I exaggerated there too, but you never did answer my question. Are you from Maine or is that just a clever user id?)
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[Me.]

38. Nobody Is Saying You Can't Like & Appreciate Him

Laugh at his jokes but allow for the fact that he does indeed bend the truth.

As to the name, some are just strange

[AmyStrange]

39. Like mine... AmyStrange

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I tend to be a democrat, and that means I'm smart enough to know when someone's bending the truth.

Blanket statements are usually a big tip off.

(By the way, I told people on anther thread that you wear a tiara. Do you?)
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[Me.]

40. Because You Do Doesn't Mean Others Have THe Same Level Of Discernment

otherwise trump wouldn't have his base. Yes...your name is strange...

[AmyStrange]

41. Ok, but do you wear a tiara?

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I told someone on another thread that you did.

It was a joke, but that seems to be in short supply around here.
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[Me.]

47. If I Do It Means You Have To Listen To My Commands

so stop doing politics by comedian

[AmyStrange]

55. I need proof first

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no deal otherwise
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[Me.]

70. Petition Denied

[AmyStrange]

84. I hope you know what that means...

[Me.]

100. It Means Nothing To Me

But may mean exile for you

[AmyStrange]

107. Ha ha ha...

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you can't make omelets without breaking a few eggs first.
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[Me.]

158. I Don't Break Anything,

People with diadems have chefs to do the egg breaking

[AmyStrange]

160. Well, that explains it...

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I've found your tiara, by the way.
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[Me.]

161. These Days...Fakes Can Be Found Everywhere

[AmyStrange]

163. This one's definitely fake...

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but I won't tell if you don't.
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[ehrnst]

72. Yep. Even it it's slipped in via a video clip of a long dead comedian

and when confronted, the one pushing it cries "Who me? OK, so what if I did, you can't take a joke and therfore hate the working class."

[Me.]

74. Yep An Attempt At A Sideways Slip In

All for the sake of views.

Says one who supposedly wears a crown (see post #41)

[AmyStrange]

203. Hate the working class?

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I am part of the working class.
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[ehrnst]

215. I didn't say you did.

Reading something carefully before getting angry and accusing people falsely of something would be a good idea. Time for a break, maybe?



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[AmyStrange]

221. Good idea, and...

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it helps the memory too.
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[ehrnst]

229. Apology accepted.

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[AmyStrange]

234. Well, thank you

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and your apology is accepted also.

Isn't it fun to pretend!
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[ehrnst]

236. "I know you are but what am I?"

This logical fallacy again?

[AmyStrange]

240. Misperception...

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personified, comes to mind.
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[ehrnst]

241. Nope.

TagURit.



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[AmyStrange]

244. It's nice to have a little puppy dog follow me around all day.

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining.

As long as you're not in love with me.

OMG, I couldn't handle that shit right now.
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[ehrnst]

249. TagURit.

Last edited Sun Aug 9, 2020, 08:43 AM - Edit history (1)

A self-described 63-year-old heavy smoker, with roommates who hasn't gotten vaccinations since childhood.
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[JI7]

45. Is he talking about the environmentalists ?

[AmyStrange]

60. Interesting...

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this would've been just a blip in the list of things, but all this bickering has kept it up at the top longer than it really should've been.

I know what you're thinking, and that it's all my fault.

You're right. It is.

(muhahahahahaha)
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[AmyStrange]

63. Thanks everyone!

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I was hoping to get maybe a couple dozen views, but this is amazing!

George Carlin can rot in hell, the commie, low-life bastard.
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[ehrnst]

85. Sounds like you got pretty hot under the collar. No need to and it's bad for your health.

Flinging false dilemmas around won't help either.

You may want to refrain from participating in threads that upset you. DU is a lively place, and those who are sensitive to being called out on logical fallacies and bad mouthing the Democratic Party will find it particularly hard.

[AmyStrange]

94. Nope

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YOU breathe in and out. I'm fine.

It's not the threads that upset me, it's the stupid people who won't listen.

All they care about is what they believe, and fuck everyone else.
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[ehrnst]

113. You seem very upset at people who responded to you and your OP. Just an observation.

Certainly I'm listening, or I wouldn't be responding to you, now would I?

So who are these "stupid people" you're convinced are everywhere on this thread?

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[AmyStrange]

128. Sorry, but you don't REALLY listen.

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That's too bad.
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[ehrnst]

131. Certainly, I'm not saying things that you wish to hear, but are truthful

responses to your posts, nonetheless. Perhaps you're upset that I am listening to what you're saying so closely and accurately.
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It's too bad some are so hostile to being enlightened how they sound. It's a learning opportunity squandered.



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[AmyStrange]

143. Enlighten me then, and

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cut the "calm down and breathe" bullshit.

Tell me exactly where George Carlin said ALL democrats are the same as republicans?

Nurse Jackie tried, and I agree he's pretty cynical in it, but he never says that.

He merely says that the rich have the government in their pocket.

That doesn't mean ALL democrats. It just means that enough do.

A lot of them don't take money from pharmaceutical companies, but some do.

I believe that big money in politics is not a good thing, and that's the underlying thing that I think George was complaining about.

Now your turn.
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[ehrnst]

144. I never said that George Carlin said that. I was talking about what YOU said.

The various logical fallacies that you've responded with indicate that you're the one who is not listening, and are upset that anyone was saying something that you as "the thread master" find irritating.

Calming down will help to clarify that.

Is that clearer?

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152. Clear as mud...

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you never said that, but it's what started all this crap.

Now, tell me which specific logical fallacies that I've made.
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[AmyStrange]

159. All I hear are crickets...

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If I'm wrong. I want to know where my logic is false, and I WILL critically analyze my beliefs if you can make any good points at all.

That's what REAL listening is all about.
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[ehrnst]

175. Most are in the subject lines, but here you go:

Attacking a Strawman
False equivalence
Argument by Repetition
The fallacy of the golden mean
Ad Hominem
I know you are but what am I?

And sometimes there was a combination of two or more.

You're welcome. I assume that scrolling up was upsetting? You apparently forgot that you acknowledged at least one.

Anger will do that to one's concentration.



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[AmyStrange]

182. That's not false logic...

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that's you adding descriptions to my comments.

What specifically have I said that was false?
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[ehrnst]

187. False logic is your term, not mine. Scroll up if you don't believe me.

I said "logical fallacy." That's a description of a response in an argument that doesn't actually address the argument, or attempts to derail the discussion.

A logical fallacy is an error in reasoning common enough to warrant a fancy name. Knowing how to spot and identify fallacies is a priceless skill. It can save you time, money, and personal dignity. There are two major categories of logical fallacies, which in turn break down into a wide range of types of fallacies, each with their own unique ways of trying to trick you into agreement.

A Formal Fallacy is a breakdown in how you say something. The ideas are somehow sequenced incorrectly. Their form is wrong, rendering the argument as noise and nonsense.

An Informal Fallacy denotes an error in what you are saying, that is, the content of your argument. The ideas might be arranged correctly, but something you said isn’t quite right. The content is wrong or off-kilter.

https://thebestschools.org/magazine/15-logical-fallacies-know/

Many of your responses - such as trying to misrepresent the point of a person you are arguing with to make it easier to attack them, or a false equivalence, like accusing everyone who doesn't agree with you on Carlin's piece of "hating" him, or "thinking the working class has it made."


If you bookmarked that post where I listed where people informed you of your logical fallacies, it will be clearer.

Here's a long list of them:

http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html

[AmyStrange]

193. Didn't I already explain this in another reply?

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None of that applies, unless you apply it to everyone and not just me, but you won't.
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[ehrnst]

194. That makes no sense. Maybe you're confusing me with someone else.

Again.

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[AmyStrange]

198. I knew you wouldn't, because...

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it would mean you'd have to critically rethink your beliefs.

That's not easy. It really is hard to do, and being angry don't help.

Trust me, I know.
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[ehrnst]

218. So you've had anger issues?

I can't say I'm surprised. That can stand in the way of critical thought, and self awareness.

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223. I do big time, but now that I know what causes it...

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I still get angry, but I also laugh my ass off at the same time, because I know how petty I can get sometimes.

You may think I'm angry when I post in this thread, but that's because you don't know what I know.
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[ehrnst]

231. You also don't know what I know, and being reminded of that seems to

set you off.

I think you may want to use the ignore feature for the sake of your own blood pressure.

[AmyStrange]

238. Set me off?

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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...

You ARE so far off base, it's funny.
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[ehrnst]

242. Yep. I hit the nail on the head.

TAGURIT



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[AmyStrange]

245. Funny bone you mean

[ehrnst]

248. TagURit