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Response to rdubwiley (Original post)

CheapShotArtist

(333 posts)
2. Nobody likes a police state,
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 03:17 PM
Apr 2013

but I'd rather be safe and have some of my liberties compromised than to be "free", but have my life taken by some terrorist.

jjewell

(618 posts)
12. A quote from Founding Father Benjamin Franklin...
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 12:08 AM
Apr 2013

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Just sayin....

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
3. Boston Lockdown = Real emergency.
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 03:22 PM
Apr 2013

As soon as the emergency was over, the lockdown ended. Makes sense to me.

rdubwiley

(518 posts)
4. Well
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 03:24 PM
Apr 2013

I'm not sure in hindsight we could have called it an emergency, but I think they did the right thing with the information they had.

Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
9. Nope. Wrong.
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 06:02 PM
Apr 2013

They lifted the lockdown when they couldn't catch the guy, so it wasn't THAT much of an emergency, was it? The lockdown was over BEFORE they caught the guy, remember that little fact?

 

bowens43

(16,064 posts)
15. bullshit. the response was far out of proportion to the threat.
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 09:42 PM
Apr 2013

They want this kind of response to be the norm. They want us to get used to seeing police with military weapons and transports prowling our streets and coming into our homes without a warrant.


This doesn't happen in a free nation that cherishes civil liberties.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
6. These bombers seemed less dangerous than
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 04:14 PM
Apr 2013

...someone with a semi-automatic rifle. But that is hindsight.

The police didn't really know what weapons they had access to, nor whether they belonged to a larger group. That might not be a good enough reason to close off a city.


FailureToCommunicate

(13,988 posts)
11. Less dangerous than someone with a semiautomatic? THe police didn't know what they
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 11:42 PM
Apr 2013

had? Did you miss the part where these guys exploded bombs next to families enjoying a sport event and people died, dozens had their legs blown off, dozens may never hear again, nearly two hundred have shrapnel wounds including ear and eye punctures?? Did you miss the part where these guys were throwing more bombs at the police during their gun battle in Watertown?

We were part of the lock down (actually a 'stay indoors or you might get accidentally shot' order), and it seemed reasonable at the time. Still does in "hindsight"

thucythucy

(7,983 posts)
7. And if it had gone the other way,
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 04:48 PM
Apr 2013

and the suspects had had accomplices, or access to a "Bush Master," or more IEDs, and had blasted their way into a subway station or day care center, with more civilian deaths, we no doubt would have OPs here bewailing how the police should have done more.





thucythucy

(7,983 posts)
18. And what exactly did you find "vile"?
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 10:32 AM
Apr 2013

That the governor of Massachusetts requested that people shelter in place? That many if not most citizens complied with the request? BTW, contrary to much of the libertarian hysteria about this, there was no "order"--and as far as I know, not one single person was arrested for being out on the streets contrary to the request, and not a single business that stayed open was in any way penalized or cited. Or do you have evidence to contradict this?

Or do you find it "vile" that local and state authorities were mobilized to deal with at least two people obviously willing to kill civilians, including a child, by setting off bombs at a public event? And who murdered a police officer in cold blood? And who obviously had both plans to continue their murder spree, and the means to do so?

Or that they took precautions in dealing with a suspect who had run over his own brother to get away from police?

What, or who, precisely, do you find "vile" in this context?

And I notice also that you didn't contest the gist of my post: that had it gone the other way, we'd now be hearing all kinds of criticism that the authorities should have done more. We're seeing it already: along with complaints about a "police state" come arguments that the FBI should have tightened its surveillance, detained the suspects pre-emptively, etc. etc.

midnight

(26,624 posts)
8. The two suspects mother said that FBI was watching them for years...
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 05:09 PM
Apr 2013

The FBI said they knew a lot about these two.... So the FBI did know they were NOT connected with ALCIDA. Also it is not just Libertarians that are concerned about over police presence. Then he moves to Bloomberg's racial profiling. While he was touching on that police dept. he forgot to mention the planned physically assaults on the people at occupy wall street that was revealed. Maybe he doesn't know about that either. Glad to hear he knows racially profiling people is wrong. But I don't know how that means we are still in good shape..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/20/boston-bombing-suspect-fbi-surveillance_n_3122330.html

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
10. My god not this **** again.
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 07:17 PM
Apr 2013

The shelter in place order was voluntary people chose to follow it.

So say that marks a police state is nothing short of moronic.

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