Anonymous...Our Freedom Fighters...

[haikugal]

I have great respect for this group of people.

This isn't a new doc and it's probably been posted before but I found it very informative so I decided to post it here...

[MADem]

1. They aren't a "group of people." They are individuals, some good, some not-so-good.

It's impossible to ascribe qualities of goodness or evil to "them." "They" aren't connected. A few of them might be, but across the spectrum, they're structured like terrorist cells--only without IEDs and suicide vests--one hand doesn't know what the other is doing.

Some are total assholes, I'm sure, and others are pure of heart and motive.

Anonymity (putative anonymity, anyway) offers zero accountability for their behaviors--no one takes the glory, or the heat. Zero accountability is why they aren't taken terribly seriously, "Good Wife" episodes notwithstanding. The dramatic "Expect Us" stuff, to my old eyes, is pompously immature. I think it takes real guts to NOT be "Anonymous."

And I'll wager the FBI/CIA/NSA/other global agencies know who a lot of them are, and leave them in place, and even befriend them to get a better handle on who's who in the zoo.

This is a new world--privacy is scarce as hell, these days, even if ya call yourself "Anonymous."

I couldn't make it through that "documentary"--it made a junior high filmstrip look exciting.

JMO, YMMV.

[delrem]

2. +1 . I find the whole thing creepy.

The creepy mask, the creepy insignia, the creepy electronic voice, the creepy threats. The deliberately creepy and threatening presentation is so totally negative in the impressions of so many people that it negates and undermines any so-called "good deed" pretending to being done. The focus, the story, becomes this "Anonymous" creepiness which then gets associated with whatever issue gets leeched onto, and IMO that's the whole point of it.

[MADem]

11. I agree. I don't like the "Do what I say...or ELSE" threats. That's only fun when they're

bullying in a way that we find agreeable. And that's what they're doing--bullying. They aren't persuading with the force of their ideas, they aren't debating in the public square, they're issuing edicts--threats, really--and it reminds me of the school yard. And not in a good way, either.

If Anonymous factions started telling people that being pro-choice was bad, or that everyone should carry a gun (or ELSE) people who call themselves liberals might not be so cheery.

[haikugal]

4. Actually they are a movement....

in that sense they are a group.

I still feel that they and wikileaks are doing good by 'freeing' informatio. You're entitled to your opinion, and welcome to it.

[MADem]

9. They're a movement in the sense that "Beiber Fever" is a movement.

It's a fad right now. I think way more people pretend to be associated with it, while only a few do the heavy lifting.

I think it's interesting how the FBI/INTERPOL rolls 'em up every so often, and they flip a guy or two...

[haikugal]

10. You didn't bother to watch

the video or you'd know how wrong you are...

[MADem]

12. You didn't bother to read

my initial post, otherwise you would already know that and not feel a need to scold me like you're telling everyone something new, instead of something I already acknowledged--I freely admitted that in my comments.

The thing was stultifyingly boring. I hung on for fifteen interminable and mind-numbing minutes, but I do have a life.

Like I said upthread (and you, apparently, didn't read), a junior high filmstrip has more spark.

And one more time--JMO, YMMV. And clearly, it does.

[haikugal]

13. I find your

posts argumentative and aggressive. You are welcome to your opinions as I said before...

[MADem]

18. I find your

posts a bit sharp, to put it kindly. Pray tell, what is "argumentative and aggressive" about posts that end with Just My Opinion--Your Mileage May Vary?

I've said that to you TWICE. Apparently you didn't read THAT either.

I didn't say "You must share my view, or else" now, did I?

People can agree to disagree, you know. I make that clear. You just don't like my opinion and you also didn't take the time to read what I wrote. That's your issue.

If anyone is "argumentative and aggressive" here, it ain't me. See, I don't care if you don't share my views. You are entirely welcome to your own opinions (as I said twice). However, this is not the haikugal didactic board, it's the DU discussion board--the idea is to discuss. Exchange opinions--not lecture. If you want one way conversations, this isn't the place for it.

Have one of those nice days.

[defacto7]

3. Just a diversion....

The people who made this are not the anonymous; none of these presentations are, it's not what they do. Whoever did make this is in support of them I would say. Would this presentation make those who made it part of the anonymous? You can't arrest someone for making a video in support of an idea and the ghosts that inhabit it.
You also can't arrest ghosts as long as they stay so.

[suzanner]

5. I thought this was interesting

I agreed with a lot of it; but if extremely bright people don't have money or family connections, this would be the outcome in this current culture, sadly.

[haikugal]

6. I thought so too...

It did a good job of juxtaposing the views and therefor exposing the bias against hacking. It brought out how "no good deed goes unpunished" and that "security" really isn't that important to those who like to say it is.

[midnight]

7. Interesting behind the scenes information about Bank America supposedly losing money via internet

theft, because that is what the banks are doing to citizens accounts in Cyprus and Greece....

[haikugal]

8. Isn't it though...

[20score]

14. Don't have an hour to watch the video, but on every action they have taken -

that I am aware of, anyway - they have been morally correct. Love Anonymous.

[haikugal]

15. We're in good company..Thanks n/t

[haikugal]

16. Wow...

I'm going to post this here in thread because some of you may be just as outraged (upset, angry, disturbed) as I am to learn this. As explained in this RT piece a young man has been sentenced to 100 years....for hacking. Now I don't know about you but Obama seems to have a hard on for whistle blowers and comes down hard on them all whilst 'looking forward' when it comes to Bush admin crimes and banker crimes...hmm...so who's the patriot. I'll go with these kids who like Bradley Manning are my heroes. 100 years...do you think they're trying to send a message?

[midnight]

17. 100 years for hacking, but nothing for lying us into war?