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Berlin Expat
(949 posts)What a bunch of ignorant asshats.
This is what a wudu station looks like: <"">
And for the super high-tech members of the ummah, there's this: <"">
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)This is the perfect way, considering....
http://www.theonion.com/articles/cheney-dunk-tank-raises-800-billion-for-nation,2652/
Berlin Expat
(949 posts)do that when there's people to pick on?
One thing I've always found so risible about the anti-Muslim bigot brigade and their whole "Creeping Shari'a" conspiracy is that this idea rests entirely on the fact that a religious minority, comprising about two to three percent of the overall population, is going to be able to impose their worldview on the remaining 97-98% of Americans who aren't Muslim, not to mention Muslims such as myself who are deeply opposed to the idea of Shari'a law replacing the civil law - the US Code.
Their conspiracist fantasies are beyond laughable; in order for their idea to work, you'd be talking about the most stunningly successful coup d'etat since the Bolshevik Revolution - a coup that would in fact make Lenin, Trotsky, et al, green with envy.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)They considered it to be a "mixed marriage" if a Baptist married a Catholic.
Berlin Expat
(949 posts)prior to 9/11, Muslims were "far away"; they didn't even register on most folks radar screen, other than maybe seeing someone in a niqab from time to time.
I'd be willing to bet that prior to 9/11, if you'd mentioned 'Muslims' to most folks, the majority of them would've answered 'Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam', particularly if they lived outside of the major metropolises.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)He got out of Vietnam because it's against the Muslim religion to kill, even if the State orders you to do it in a time of war.
Berlin Expat
(949 posts)about Muhammad Ali....he refused to be drafted, claiming conscientious objector status.
Even in the NOI, no matter what their rather peculiar ideology might be, they are pacifists. I know they're looked at as not exactly "orthodox" Muslims, but the NOI members I've encountered in my lifetime were some of the finest people I'd ever met.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)If it had been called the "Muhammad Ali Community Center".
Berlin Expat
(949 posts)marketing is what it's all about.
In regard to the GZM issue, my Sheikh in Berlin at the time was opposed to it, but on the grounds that he had information from parts of the Muslim community in New York that is was basically a giant scam.
Heh....I also remember his strong distaste for Wahabis and Salafists; he used to call them "agents of the devil." Wahabis and Salafists know the law, fiqh, like nobody else, but they're total legalists at their core. All head, no heart.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Berlin Expat
(949 posts)that like the Christian Righties, Wahabis/Salafists are outright theocrats.
In truth, the two have far more in common. While they would certainly disagree on the matter of divinity of Jesus, that's really about it. They'd agree on 9 out of 10 points.
Personally, I have no use for fanaticism. People can believe/not believe anything they want - they can worship pineapples for all I care. That's not my concern.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)....while selling an audio tape course that boils down to a "get rich quick through prayer" seminar.
If it fails to make you a millionaire it's your lack of faith that's to blame.
Berlin Expat
(949 posts)is a get-rich-quick scheme....that whole "Prosperity Gospel" nonsense.
As to WND, they're a borderline hate site - a more genteel and slicker-looking version of Stormfront. Then you've got Breitbart, and I think a lot of the commentators there are from Stormfront.
Repulsive. Of course, in the Islamic world, we've got all manner of Sheikhs, imams and hodjas running around issuing fatwas of highly dubious legality, to put it mildly. It's because we really don't have a central authority - well, the Shi'a sort of do, in the form of Ayatollah Ali Khameni, but he's one of many Ayatollahs.
As a result, "experts" on fiqh can issue all kinds of bizarre, and sometimes repugnant, rulings.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)That was before the main goal was to avoid the charge of being weak.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)should have to use THIS "foot bath" as their one and only means of bathing for a whole month. OH! And as a place to brush their teeth.