Breaking: Snowden asks for asylum in Russia
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BREAKING: #Snowden asks for asylum in Russia - participant at the meeting in Moscow http://on.rt.com/tmfh8r
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Just breaking on twitter
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Snowden meeting in Moscow with Human Rights Groups now (Live)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023231439
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Snowden asks for temporary asylum in Russia
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/07/12/edward-snowden-moscow-airport/2511207/
Snowden spoke to reporters while meeting with representatives of eight human rights groups, including Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch.
According to Tatyana Lokshina of Human Rights Watch, Snowden seeks to stay in Russia as he "can't fly to Latin America yet," RT.com reports.
Snowden says the government in Western Europe and North American are are acting outside the law by preventing him from traveling.
Post-Snowden Statement, the real question now is, "Have Republicans been spying on Democrats?"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023233275
unreadierLizard
(475 posts)because he has no way of travelling anywhere else.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
uhnope
(6,419 posts)like I said before
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)Pay attention. We do it only when it suits us.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)According to Ellen Barry and Tanya Lokshina, Snowden is saying he cannot appeal to international organisations because they require that you come to them.
He says he is recognised as an asylum seeker by the UN High Commission on Refugees but the US, he says, does not recognise this, as the Morales plane affair showed.
extracted from Guardian live 2.43pm BST
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/12/edward-snowden-to-meet-amnesty-and-human-rights-watch-at-moscow-airport-live-coverag.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)when people are charged with felonies.
hack89
(39,171 posts)criminals have no right for asylum.
cstanleytech
(26,080 posts)Snowden isnt fleeing persecution though he is fleeing prosecution not for having a different faith or being of a different race but rather he is wanted by the US for breaking a number of laws.
hack89
(39,171 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)dbackjon
(6,578 posts)Russia is his perfect home.
dawn frenzy adams
(429 posts)Indeed.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)all along. Ummmmmmm, Russia the land of the freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Didn't I read an article where a jailed whistle-blower died in prison.
George II
(67,782 posts)...in fact he is IN Russia but asking for asylum in Venezuela (or maybe some other country) I don't see anything saying that he's asking to be granted asylum from Russia.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Not what the subject line is, implying he's seeking asylum in Russia.
If he's in Moscow, can't travel anywhere else right now, what's the point of "temporary asylum"?
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Snowden wants asylum in Russia, ready to meet condition not to damage US
NSA leaker & former CIA employee Edward Snowden has asked for political asylum in Russia, saying he could not fly to Latin America, according to Human Rights Watch representative who met the whistleblower.
According to Tatyana Lokshina of Human Rights Watch, Snowden seeks to stay in Russia as he cant fly to Latin America yet.
Thirteen Russian and international human rights advocates and lawyers have gathered at Moscow Sheremetyevo Airport for a meeting with Snowden scheduled for 5pm Moscow time (13:00 GMT). The NSA leaker was expected to speak out about the US persecution campaign.
http://rt.com/news/snowden-meets-rights-activists-013/
hack89
(39,171 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)That was more than a week ago.
hack89
(39,171 posts)is he going to quietly live in exile for the rest of his life and never speak out again on human rights?
Cleita
(75,480 posts)You need to pay attention. He's only looking for temporary asylum until he can get permanent asylum in Latin America. I'm listening to the English version live feed of RT. He seems to have been blacklisted from many airlines. His passport has been revoked so he's looking for a temporary solution until he can get the other problems taken care of.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Putin will have a price - it will be interesting to see what it is. I suspect full cooperation with the Russian security services will be the price of admission.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)I will wait and see. They also said the Russian parliament is not in session and they would have to make the decision. So he will still have to wait unless Putin has some kind of power we don't know about to bypass them.
hack89
(39,171 posts)it merely shows how desperate Snowden is.
It will be interesting to see how it plays out. One thing is certain - Snowden no longer has control of his future. He is now just a pawn to be played.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)I don't think he should be charged with espionage. It's overkill. He will never come back for trial considering our government's track record on how we treat whistleblowers since the Bradley Manning incident.
cstanleytech
(26,080 posts)for free so what makes you think he wont give it to Russia for their protection even temporarily seeing as he gave information to China already until he can arrange transportation to some other country?
BenzoDia
(1,010 posts)Igel
(35,191 posts)Sure, Snowden will not release any more information.
It's all been given to somebody else to release--all that Snowden will have to do is not stop it.
He would find that Putin doesn't play childish language games or let form get in the way of substance.
MrScorpio
(73,626 posts)dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)MOSCOW Edward Snowden, the alleged National Security Agency leaker, said Friday at a meeting with human rights groups at a Moscow airport that he is seeking temporary political asylum in Russia as a means for seeking permament status in a Latin American country.
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According to Tatyana Lokshina of Human Rights Watch, Snowden seeks to stay in Russia as he "can't fly to Latin America yet," RT.com reports.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/07/12/edward-snowden-moscow-airport/2511207/
Bonhomme Richard
(8,992 posts)get out of the airport terminal. I imagine he has had enough of living there.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)that he is quite comfortable in the accommodation he's got at the airport transit hotel. I guess he might be bored though.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)kick out human right groups?
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Pick and chose issues for their own selfish reasons.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)who is whose Pawn?
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Will Russia screw the pooch relations-wise and allow this?
cstanleytech
(26,080 posts)If he was asking for permanent asylum maybe because they offered him it if he would shut up but now hes just trying to use them until he can get out of the country to some other country where he would be free to run his mouth again thus negating the whole "STFU" aspect of the deal Russia offered him really.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)WikiLeaks ?@wikileaks 15m
Until the release of Edward #Snowden's statement press reportage should be treated with caution.
Beacool
(30,244 posts)Let's see how he enjoys "free" Russia. Maybe he should go and talk to the girls from Pussy Riot.
former9thward
(31,802 posts)He isn't going to be rotting in a U.S. prison despite your wishes. Don't worry, there are other Snowdens out there. Maybe you will get to see one of them thrown into a U.S. gulag
Beacool
(30,244 posts)I frankly don't care what happens to Snowden.
cstanleytech
(26,080 posts)I mean he revealed classified information so if you support Snowden revealing to China classified information you must support Libby it stands to reason.
former9thward
(31,802 posts)Libby was sentenced to jail for lying to a FBI agent -- not for revealing classified information. Patrick Fitzgerald's investigation found that Richard Armitage, Deputy Secretary of State under Colin Powell, had released the Plame information. He had told Powell immediately after he had did it. He was not indicted.
cstanleytech
(26,080 posts)and that was classified so was it ok he got off so lightly? I personally dont believe it was ok.
former9thward
(31,802 posts)Ok sparky.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)JI7
(89,174 posts)showing himself to be the hypocrite now.
i guess he can hope rand paul becomes president so he can come back and get his pardon.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)the sacrifice he has made on freedom's sacred alter unfortunately for him means sacrificing his own freedom so the rest of us might be free.
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)cstanleytech
(26,080 posts)is a sacrifice he has made on freedom's sacred altar.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Statement by Edward Snowden to human rights groups at Moscows Sheremetyevo airport
http://wikileaks.org/Statement-by-Edward-Snowden-to.html
Friday July 12, 15:00 UTC
Edward Joseph Snowden delivered a statement to human rights organizations and individuals at Sheremetyevo airport at 5pm Moscow time today, Friday 12th July. The meeting lasted 45 minutes. The human rights organizations included Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch and were given the opportunity afterwards to ask Mr Snowden questions. The Human Rights Watch representative used this opportunity to tell Mr Snowden that on her way to the airport she had received a call from the US Ambassador to Russia, who asked her to relay to Mr Snowden that the US Government does not categorise Mr Snowden as a whistleblower and that he has broken United States law. This further proves the United States Governments persecution of Mr Snowden and therefore that his right to seek and accept asylum should be upheld. Seated to the left of Mr. Snowden was Sarah Harrison, a legal advisor in this matter from WikiLeaks and to Mr. Snowdens right, a translator.
Transcript of Edward Joseph Snowden statement, given at 5pm Moscow time on Friday 12th July 2013. (Transcript corrected to delivery)
It is also a serious violation of the law. The 4th and 5th Amendments to the Constitution of my country, Article 12 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and numerous statutes and treaties forbid such systems of massive, pervasive surveillance. While the US Constitution marks these programs as illegal, my government argues that secret court rulings, which the world is not permitted to see, somehow legitimize an illegal affair. These rulings simply corrupt the most basic notion of justice that it must be seen to be done. The immoral cannot be made moral through the use of secret law.
I believe in the principle declared at Nuremberg in 1945: "Individuals have international duties which transcend the national obligations of obedience. Therefore individual citizens have the duty to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and humanity from occurring."
Accordingly, I did what I believed right and began a campaign to correct this wrongdoing. I did not seek to enrich myself. I did not seek to sell US secrets. I did not partner with any foreign government to guarantee my safety. Instead, I took what I knew to the public, so what affects all of us can be discussed by all of us in the light of day, and I asked the world for justice.
That moral decision to tell the public about spying that affects all of us has been costly, but it was the right thing to do and I have no regrets.
Since that time, the government and intelligence services of the United States of America have attempted to make an example of me, a warning to all others who might speak out as I have. I have been made stateless and hounded for my act of political expression. The United States Government has placed me on no-fly lists. It demanded Hong Kong return me outside of the framework of its laws, in direct violation of the principle of non-refoulement the Law of Nations. It has threatened with sanctions countries who would stand up for my human rights and the UN asylum system. It has even taken the unprecedented step of ordering military allies to ground a Latin American presidents plane in search for a political refugee. These dangerous escalations represent a threat not just to the dignity of Latin America, but to the basic rights shared by every person, every nation, to live free from persecution, and to seek and enjoy asylum.
Yet even in the face of this historically disproportionate aggression, countries around the world have offered support and asylum. These nations, including Russia, Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Ecuador have my gratitude and respect for being the first to stand against human rights violations carried out by the powerful rather than the powerless. By refusing to compromise their principles in the face of intimidation, they have earned the respect of the world. It is my intention to travel to each of these countries to extend my personal thanks to their people and leaders.
I announce today my formal acceptance of all offers of support or asylum I have been extended and all others that may be offered in the future. With, for example, the grant of asylum provided by Venezuelas President Maduro, my asylee status is now formal, and no state has a basis by which to limit or interfere with my right to enjoy that asylum. As we have seen, however, some governments in Western European and North American states have demonstrated a willingness to act outside the law, and this behavior persists today. This unlawful threat makes it impossible for me to travel to Latin America and enjoy the asylum granted there in accordance with our shared rights.
This willingness by powerful states to act extra-legally represents a threat to all of us, and must not be allowed to succeed. Accordingly, I ask for your assistance in requesting guarantees of safe passage from the relevant nations in securing my travel to Latin America, as well as requesting asylum in Russia until such time as these states accede to law and my legal travel is permitted. I will be submitting my request to Russia today, and hope it will be accepted favorably.
If you have any questions, I will answer what I can.
Thank you.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)allow him to continue with the spy and lie life he has lived in the US. He will soon learn what liberties are all about.
benld74
(9,888 posts)blue cat
(2,415 posts)For all I care